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Topic: Twinflame Astrology: Techniques, Investigations, Validity
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 05:15 AM
also, just as an information:if there are close conjunctions of the angles, Vertex-axis or nodal axis, they usually will be parallel also, because of the fact they are projected onto the ecliptic. I don´t think though that this downplays their importance or effect; quite the opposite, it might be an explanation why conjunctions to these calculated points are such focal points. But however it may be, definiteyl strong SR-there. I also think ther emight be something to Sr-synastry.
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 05:29 AM
And, as promised, (sorry I've been running so behind!) the gist of what iQ said, and why. (Don't worry - we'll investigate further and deeper later.)He evaluated the GEO-TROP composite and synastry. I'm unsure exactly which asteroids were used, but the following were all mentioned in some respect. - For reference: 23° ARIES 31' | PSYCHE 25° TAURUS 53' | CHIRON 10° VIRGO 24' | OSIRIS 11° VIRGO 05' | ISIS 27° LIBRA 47' | LUST 27° LIBRA 56' | PLUTO 28° LIBRA 04' | SATURN 29° LIBRA 17' | ATLANTIS 14° SCORPIO 41' | DESTINN 15° SCORPIO 01' | KARMA 20° SCORPIO 49' | ASCENDANT 22° SCORPIO 53' | JUPITER 24° SCORPIO 03' | SUN 25° SCORPIO 59' | VENUS 28° SCORPIO 47' | VALENTINE 29° SCORPIO 40' | MOON 25° SAGITTARIUS 42' | NEPTUNE 26° SAGITTARIUS 00' | EROS - - • CONCENTRATED FIRST HOUSE • 'The extraordinarily rare stellium of first house planets in the Composite indicate that you both are Twin Flames.' - Indeed, our 1H is: 20° SCO 49' - 23° SAG 04' It features: JUPITER, SUN, VENUS, VALENTINE, MOON, MERCURY and URANUS. JUPITER, SUN, VENUS, MOON, VALENTINE and MERCURY are conjunct. (URANUS does so very widely.) He notes: 'A Multiplicity of planets in the 7th House is a usual indicator but when the first house is packed, then the relationship goes beyond being a relationship, it becomes a journey of "convergence".' - • SOULMATE PAIRINGS (ASTEROID PLANETARY PATTERN) • 'To confirm the Planetary Pattern, we have sufficient Asteroid Evidence: ISIS and OSIRIS conjunct. EROS trine PSYCHE.' - ISIS and OSIRIS are conjunct at 0°80 orb. PSYCHE and EROS are trine at 2°70. (Quite wide, but he made no mention of that being a factor.) - • PREVIOUS ATLANTEAN INCARNATION • 'You both go way beyond Atlantis. The evidence for the Atlantis Relationship is right there too, with Pluto and Saturn conjunct Asteroid ATLANTIS in Composite 12th House.' Self-explanatory: PLUTO-SATURN are conjunct at 0°48 orb. (12C is 23° LIBRA). Interestingly, he notes the following: 'The dangers of Pluto conjunct Saturn are not at all applicable for you two because the superb first house destroys the past life delays or hurts done to one another in the quest for Transformation.' - • FOCAL POINT: SEXUAL ENERGY / UNION • 'The strength of Scorpio in the present incarnation is such that the relationship will need to explore sex/sexual energy/Tantra to the fullest extent, and more. Sex in the physical and sex in the Astral to epitomize the "Union" Ritual you recalled in realms far beyond.' - I had mentioned my trance-states bringing me awareness of sex being called 'Union' in the Atlantean dimension. - He also notes: 'Speaking of such realms, the evidence of the advanced sexual Union is Neptune conjunct EROS conjunct the Galactic Center in the Composite.' EROS and NEPTUNE are conjunct in the 2H with an orb of 0°58. GALACTIC CENTRE = 26° - 28° SAGITTARIUS +/- 0°25. EROS @ 25° SAGITTARIUS 42' NEPTUNE @ 26° SAGITTARIUS 00' EROS / NEPTUNE @ 25° SAGITTARIUS 55'. And, he notes: - 'I must also mention that LUST conjuncts Pluto.' Very closely, in fact. LUST is conjunct PLUTO @ only 0°09 orb of difference (27° LIBRA). - He also reviewed the synastry. While I'm not sure that's very useful, it can help in terms of knowing what are or aren't 'deal breakers' in the instance of weaker synastry. - • SYNASTRY REVIEW: WEAKER THAN COMPOSITE • 'As the Synastry is not as strong as the Composite, this could be the reason for the delay on physically meeting and hooking up together.' However: 'Some binding aspects do exist like your Saturn and JUNO sextile his Moon while his Saturn conjuncts your Moon. This means a lot of heavy karma had to go before meeting up, and life will not be a bed of roses after starting the relationship.' - Heh. If we say the relationship technically began around 6 years ago - then, no kidding! 😉 But let's look at that more closely. 02° LIBRA 34' | SATURN 04° LIBRA 13' | JUNO 04° SAGITTARIUS 23' | MOON Sextile of 0°10 orb. Note that his and my JUNO are 3°87 apart; while his JUNO might be considered very widely conjunct my SATURN (5°55), he's not counting it - even with SATURN being involved. Speaking of SATURN ... 23° SCORPIO 35' | SATURN 24° SCORPIO 57' | MOON Conjunction of 1°22 orb. SATURN and a luminary conjunct under 1°25? That's a big deal. This may be an example of his finding mirrored aspects via asteroids and points he's found to have a certain significance. In our case, MOON and SATURN are involved and linked both directly and via JUNO. - • SPECIFIC ISSUES AND CHALLENGES • 'As per the Composite Chiron in 7th, near to ALGOL, there has been one terrible act done by both of you to hurt each other. Perhaps forgiving one another for the past wounds will ease the road ahead.' - Well, we all saw that from a mile away, didn't we? The Big Betrayal. 20° TAURUS 49' | DESCENDANT 25° TAURUS 53' | CHIRON 25° TAURUS +/- 0°75 | ALGOL I'm not sure if that's just a past thing which has brought over negativity and some major hurdles, but I always knew about The Big Betrayal. That's been a key point in the fiction we write together. - • SUMMARY CONCLUSION • 'You both need to be together. There is no specific mission or purpose for this, the togetherness is to be seen like a trait. By not being together, you both could be denying something to perhaps millions of people.' - And there we have the broad strokes. He's looking at our natals now for insight into why we chose these particular charts, challenges, and what our individual purposes are prior to the recommended reunion. I'm sure you've got questions. Heh. So do I. 😉 But feel free, of course. That's what I've got, but I can always theorise with you - or ask iQ directly. He was so kind to take on that task; he doesn't seem to mind any specific enquiries that follow. Of particular interest to me were the Atlantean Royalty markers, too. I'll share some of those with you tomorrow. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 05:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: also, just as an information:if there are close conjunctions of the angles, Vertex-axis or nodal axis, they usually will be parallel also, because of the fact they are projected onto the ecliptic. I don´t think though that this downplays their importance or effect; quite the opposite, it might be an explanation why conjunctions to these calculated points are such focal points. But however it may be, definiteyl strong SR-there. I also think ther emight be something to Sr-synastry.
That's what I was thinking. When I see parallels within less than 0°25 to exact, I ALWAYS take note. And then if there are a few? Wow. Very much so. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 05:31 AM
BTW I love your Isis-Osiris-conjunction in the SR. We had something similiar last year, though since our birthdays are just one day apart the planetary positions are pretty much the same in every SR. angles of course differ. Though in our case even our ASC`s in the SR are conjunct (by 2 degrees), which is not a given, just because of the 1 day difference.
Interestingly this years composite SR DESC falls exactly onto the composite Moon - that should be interesting. The SR for last year had that:
my Sr: ------- SR OSIRIS On 7.3 Capricorn conjunct natal Osiris on 7.5 Capricorn SR OSIRIS on 7.3 Capricorn conjunct natal Isis on 8.3 Capricorn SR ISIS on 26.4 Sagittarius conjunct natal Sun on 25.5 Sagittarius Sr PLUTO on 8.4 Capricorn conjunct natal Osiris on 7.5 Cap Sr Pluto on 8.4 Capricorn conjunct natal Isis on 8.3 Cap SR PROSERPINA on 8.3 Libra conjunct natal Pluto on 9.0 Libra SR Proserpina on 8.3 Libra square SR Pluto on 8.4 Capricorn Additionally SR AMOR on 24.5 Aquarius conjuncts natal Psyche on 24.0 Aquarius. ---------------- his Sr: SR ASC on 26.4 Pisces conjunct natal ASC on 26.4 Pisces. This totally stunned me. how likely is THAT? SR Pluto on 8.5 Capricorn and SR OSIRIS on 8.0 Capricorn conjunct Draconic ISIS on 8.0 Capricorn! (and quinkunx natal ISIS on 9.2 Gemini)
Sr Jupiter on 9.1 Gemini conjunct natal ISIS on 9.2 Gemini Sr Uranus on 4.3 Aries conjunct natal OSIRIS on 5.3 Aries Sr NEPHTYS on 6.1 Aries conjunct natal OSIRIS on 5.3 Aries (and opposite his Horus-Karma-conjunction on about 3 Libra) SR ISIS on 27.2 Sagittarius conjunct natal MC on 28.4 Sag/ natal Moon on 28,4 Sag and natal Sun on 26.5 Sag. and Sr AMOR on 25.1 Aquariusc onjunct natal Psyche on 25.1 Aquarius SR PSYCHE on 9.4 Scorpio sextile natal AMOR on 9 Virgo SR PSYYCHE on 9.4 Scorpio trine natal EROS on 8.2 Pisces (interestingly we met when my pr Psyche was exactly conjunct his natal Eros)
SR KARMA on 26.4 conjunct natal Saturn on 26.4 Virgo conjunct natal and Sr DESC on 26.4 Virgo
Wow! What do you say about that? lol Who needs orbs anyway, hu? Of course he also has SR Pluto on 8.5 Cap square SR PROSERPINA on 8.5 Libra, with SR PROSERPINA being trine natal PROSERPINA on 7.2 Aquarius
His pr and natal Pluto is trine his pr PROSERPINA with an orb of 0.1.
(interestingly his Pluto on 21.2 conjuncts my DNA on 20.2 Libra and my Proserpina on 21 Sag conjuncts his DNA on 20.5 Sag). What amazed me about it was how strong the isis-Osiris-theme was there, and well, it WAS the year I was finally seeing "Aida", which of course plays in Ancient Egypt, and there was a definite shift that night. 21th march. Almost a year ago. lol
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 05:58 AM
Yeah, when those EXACT aspects pop up ... it's time to pay heed. That's REALLY interesting how you had such potent SR synastry last year. Was that the 2012 / 2013 or 2013 / 2014 SR, curiously? Because I can certainly see how the theme would be subtly impacting in the background. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 06:47 AM
Beginning december 2012 and ending in december 2013 for both of us.Without even knowing it I had given "us" this year, some sort of dedicating this year to this infatuation and strange connection I felt, and deciding to watch him whenever I wanted and the opportunity arose, without staying away for thinking I was there "too much". As I said this year was dedicated to him, the infatuation i felt, and pretty much thinking this would be enough to let it blow over, and get it out of my system. *sighs* As we know the opposite took place. lol However, before that I maybe saw him once or twice a year before, if at all (some years I chickened out despite having a ticket actually!).
Last year? December 2012 march 2013 june 2013 twice july 2013 august 2013 twice september 2013 october 2013 november 2013 and I am sure I forgot something. lol Not always being very visible, but still. Of cours it was also the year he gave me a lot of opportunity to do so. He has been performing such a lot near my place, it was too tempting.
It is quite different this year, though the opportunities are more numerous than I anticipated. Of course at the end of the year I had given "us", I became depressed, for it was almost over (maybe that was what pushed me into talking to him once mroe in november. lol), and after that, I just, I don´t know it doesn´t feel over yet to be honest. And why should it?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 06:48 AM
BTW thank you for the listing and analysis, Indigo.Very interesting,a nd I surely have a lot ot say about itlol IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 13, 2014 07:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Jesus.He went back to the beginning of my Timeline, up to when we became FB Friends, and un-Liked everything. I'm guessing just as soon as the option became available. Sometime between 2012 and now. Wow, he hates me.
Been there....I have been De-friended and Blocked. 💙💙 IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 13, 2014 07:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by micole maree: Oh my freaking God.I just spent what feels like forever, checking charts and responding to your posts, Ceri. And hit some blamed button and it's all gone. I'll have to come back later and try to recreate all of these aspects. DANG it. But I do want to repeat this now. I'm truly touched that you took the time to look at our charts. Thank you. You found things I hadn't yet gotten to because of my lack of a printer and how brain-draining it is to do this from going back and forth from screen to screen. We actually have a soulmate pairing? Well. Wonders never cease. Just about everything has been out of orb or just plain not even close to being in any kind of aspect. I'll be back late tonight after my day is done. Be well, you all.
Yay! Glad Ceri found some positive soulmate pairings for you. That should help explain some things P.S I've been a complete mess over this past weekend as well...man, whatever is going on..let's get it over with!!! IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 13, 2014 07:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: My parents are very non-esoteric people (though not un-spiritual, but their spirituality is sort of the earthy kind, hard to explain. lol), so they wouldn`t use the words. I think their meeting was pretty fated and maybe karmic at least. Their original families had only lived 20 kilometres away from each other,w ithout knowing each other. Actually they probably would not have gotten closer together, for the social differences. My Dad coming from a pheasant`s family, my mum from business-background (ctually parts of her family had been quite wealthy and possibly had links to some aristocrats). But during the 2nd world war both families were driven away, or had to escape, and curiously my grandparents ended up living in cities only 20 kilometres from each other again (the generation before actually ended up in Mr Sag`s hometown, so there is this link, too. lol). The difference being that now there were no such social distinctions anymore, war had made the families equally poor and unwelcome here. lol
However, my parents met in a discotheque. Just maybe 2 years after my Mum`s mother had died, and there was a lot of chaos in my Dad`s family, as the Spanish wife of his cousin had to be hospitalized in the end, for repeated attacks on my grandmother (one with a poking stick).
Anyway, so my parents met in this dicotheque, and as my mother recounts, pretty much left it immediately (it was too loud there. lol) and spent the night outside, talking about the Vietnam war and discussing politics and life-stuff. (luckily she was quiet about what else might have taken place in that car. lol)
I am not sure if my Dad still was engaged, or had just left his engagement, but I know that my mom quickly left her boyfriend of that time, and from day one her and my Dad have been inseparable. From my childhood I recall, that even though they loved discussing, they never argued. (and usually would switch off the TV, cause they found each other`s presence and talking with each other more interesting). And they wouuld always touch, and nudge and hug and kiss and stuff. It was yucky. Well for a kid at least. lol
In my eyes they have always been an unit, and curiously, their families as well. I know of other people where there was so much differences between Mum`s and Dad`s family. In their case, it was all one family. I did not even notice this was unusual until I was older. Well, they had their "mission" I suppose, when my brother ws born with the Down syndrome, and they went on founding and cofounding some organizations helping people with mental handicap, and still do. And they are still spending pretty much every waking minute with each other. My mom sometimes complains about it, but not really. The hardest time they had to see through, was when my Dad was transferred to another city, because of his job. It was only for 6 or 8 weeks, nd he drove every friday home to be with us for the weekend (the other city was about 800-1000 km away), but still my mom hated it, you could feel it, and my Dad hated it, too.
I don´t know if that makes them twinflames. I suppose it does make them true relationship soulmates though,w ith a lot of genuine love for each other. actually on their 25th anniversary, my Dad (who is not really talking that much about feelings) said that he was still as much in love with my Mum as he was on the day they got married (and yes he said "in love" lol).
And the amazing thing is, that everyone in this room knew he was telling the truth. They do have their occasional spats of course (Aquarius-male and Scorpio-female, what do you expect?), but there has never been any game playing that I know of. Always honesty and respect. Differences of opinion? YES. But never wanting to personally hurt each other. If htat had happened, they would not have worked as a couple. If there had been manipulation, game playing, powertrips like this, they would have crashed and burned totally.
Luckily none of it took place. And so they are just in preparations for their honeymoon-revival-trip in may (40 years of marriage), and they just came back from a trip. lol Oh and I am pretty sure, IF they separated, there would be noone else in their lives. It was the same with my maternal grandfather though, after his wife died, so did any kind of romantic or relational life. There could never have been another woman to replace my grandmother. And he was not even 50 years old, but that was just as it was. It had been her for him, and him for her, and noone else. Period.
That is so beautiful..true soulmates indeed and yes, possibly TF's with a mission sparked by the birth of your brother IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 13, 2014 07:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Mmmokay. I've officially lost my mind. Gone. Kaput. Outta here.Today, I woke up ridiculously sore. Really. I got out of bed and wondered what gym I attended in my dream, because nothing else even remotely makes sense. I mean, SORE. Workout sore. Like, day-after-workout sore. Mainly my legs, but also my upper biceps. Seriously. WTF. He hasn't been posting on his FB much, (and, as we know, he hasn't Liked any of my more recent comments) but today he posted this: 'Day 1 of regular gym attendance done.' Posted yesterday. Guys. Help me out here. Because this is kinda breaking my reality. Or whatever shred of a concept I still had of it that was remotely scientific. Or rational.
WHOAH!! 😳😳😳😳 IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 08:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Mmmokay. I've officially lost my mind. Gone. Kaput. Outta here.Today, I woke up ridiculously sore. Really. I got out of bed and wondered what gym I attended in my dream, because nothing else even remotely makes sense. I mean, SORE. Workout sore. Like, day-after-workout sore. Mainly my legs, but also my upper biceps. Seriously. WTF. He hasn't been posting on his FB much, (and, as we know, he hasn't Liked any of my more recent comments) but today he posted this: 'Day 1 of regular gym attendance done.' Posted yesterday. Guys. Help me out here. Because this is kinda breaking my reality. Or whatever shred of a concept I still had of it that was remotely scientific. Or rational.
I know how you feel. I was waking up totally physically exhausted today as well, as if I had been working out (which I have not. not at all. maybe I should have though )
Mr Sag is of course in the last stages of rehearsing before the premiere, and his role is a physically demanding one. Don´t know if there is a connection.
Though I found it uncanning, that sometimes when I was having this strange cold-like-symptoms without having a cold actually, and just a day later or so I would hear that indeed HE was having a cold.
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tgem Knowflake Posts: 1660 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted March 13, 2014 08:56 AM
So I regard to the soulmate pairings being on an angle or axis, I found this to be pretty interesting:In my tropical, I have Eros opposite Psyche, but wide at 3.5 however Eros falls on my AVX exact. I also have Siva opposite Rudra at 1. Are these considered a pairing? They are conjunct my nodal axis by 2. In my Helio I have Pluto opposite Persephone at 2.5 and Siva in a very wide sextile to Parvati at 4. However Parvati is conjunct fixed star Regulus by 3. In Cusp's tropical, he has Siva conjunct Parvati exact and it is quincux his his Nodal axis exact. He also has Kaali quincux Rudra exact. In his Helio he has Siva square Kaali wide at 3.5 but Kaali is conjunct Fixed Star Altair by 2.5. Soooo, in tropical synastry his Siva/Parvati conjunction is very loosely conjunct my nodal axis at 5 but it sits directly on top of my IC exact (I'm using the equal housing system for max. Accuracy according to IQ.) His Rudra/Kaali pairing is conjunct my ASC widely at 3.5 but squares my Nodal axis by 1. In Helio synastry, his Pluto is opposite my Persephone exact, his Rudra sextile my Kaali by 1 and my Siva opposite his Parvati by 1.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 10:23 AM
T-Gem,"In my tropical, I have Eros opposite Psyche, but wide at 3.5 however Eros falls on my AVX exact." I think that the Eros-Psyche-opposite is *just* within orb to be significant. I would expect a closer interaspect though for twinflames who are "fated" to find each other. In your case, however, Eros is on your AVX exact. THAT makes it prominent for sure! It would not have been so exactly aligned with the angle, if it had been closer opposite to Psyche. I sometimes think if we are dealing with orbs at 2-4 degrees, that these might be in place, so they can aspect TWO interrelated objects, instead of just targeting one. I was thinking about that when I noticed how my ANGEL is opposite Mr Sag`s ISIS and trine his OSIRIS. But neither is exact, these are in 2 degree orbs still. well, he does not have an Isis-Osiris-aspect natally, but almost. His Osiris at 5 Aries almost sextiles Isis at 9 Gemini. But 4 degrees for a sextile? no way I would consider that as significant on its own. my ANGEL (and my ASC-DESC-axis btw) are on 7 Sagittarius, making valid aspects to both. This still doesn`t make his Isis-Osiris aspect each other natally, however the theme might be brought into prominence in relation to me - or anyone who has an angle or luminary at 7 degrees of Sagittarius or Libra (I think these would be the strongest of the air and fire signs, as they would be aspecting his Isis-Osiris with a trine/ opposition, instead of sextile/trine or sextile/conjunction, as would planets on 7 degrees of Aquarius, Leo, Gemini or Aries). "I also have Siva opposite Rudra at 1. Are these considered a pairing? They are conjunct my nodal axis by 2." No, not a soulmate pairing per se. They combine two masculine objects. BUT of course being on your nodal axis gives significance to them. There might be something to learn or incorporate in terms of your "inner masculine".
"In my Helio I have Pluto opposite Persephone at 2.5 " Yes, from a spiritual level very much a valid pairing. Though I think there would need to be some tropical backing up to bring it into manifestation. Maybe it could also manifest by someone you share a composite with which has angles tightly conjunct the h elio Pluto-persephone-aspect.
I remember that I once wrote in a mail to IQ (sometimes finding these mails again, I am surprised at what I wrote then. lol)
"Also, just a flash of a thought (and it could be utter crap. lol), but if we want to find out if there is a possibility for twinflames to meet and connect in the physical realm, and if the tropical charts are the "manifestation plane" on the physical realm, and if the ASC is our "entry" and anchor into this manifestation, wouldn´t it make sense, if beside strong tropical alignment with the ASC, if there were also tight conjunctions of relevant objects of the helio chart to the tropical ASC?...Maybe whatever conjuncts the tropical ASC from the helio chart indicates what lies "behind" a connection." LOl As I said, interesting to find what I have already thought before. For Mr Sag and me this entails helio composite KARMA exactly conjunct tropical composite DESC.
i do think though that whatever conjuncts the tropical angles (including Vertex-axis), becomes "centre-stage", full spotlight and is being pulled into manifestation. of course the placements were there before, but a conjunction to the angles, or to Sun for that matter as well, is like suddenly someone directs a flashlight onto this point, and you go: Oh, THAT is what it`s about? I hardly even knew it was there, but oh boy, doesn´t it make sense?
so that is why I think if someone`s angles will hit your helio Pluto-Persephone, that is when it will be brought out in you. "However Parvati is conjunct fixed star Regulus by 3." I do not consider orbs greater than 1,5 degrees at most for fixed stars, and actually like them to stay under 1 degree. Actually it would mean that probably your Parvati is not conjunct Regulus but another fixed star in the vicinity.
"In Cusp's tropical, he has Siva conjunct Parvati exact and it is quincux his his Nodal axis exact." the Siva-Parvati-conjunction is very significant, and as I have seen it, sometimes it seems to be "enough" if one partner has the exact soulmate-pair-conjunction natally.
It would put a lot of attention to the Siva-parvati-pairing. What in your synastry or composite relates to it? (including your Siva and Parvati, and significant aspects of Siva and Parvati to the luminaries, angles, Pluto, nodal axis, karma, Destinn, Union, Juno, Amor, Valentine etc.) "Soooo, in tropical synastry his Siva/Parvati conjunction is very loosely conjunct my nodal axis at 5 but it sits directly on top of my IC exact (I'm using the equal housing system for max. Accuracy according to IQ.)" Well, IQ and me disagree on this one. Besides the IC is the IC, no matter what housesystem you use. Just in equal the IC does not fall together with the cusp of the 4th house. When I speak of the spotlight-character of the angles, I mean ONLY the calculated points, not the 4th and 10th house cusp in equal system. It might be important still, but has a different effect. Doesn´t have the same antenna-effect, but provides a background on which s seed can blossom. His Rudra/Kaali pairing is conjunct my ASC widely at 3.5 but squares my Nodal axis by 1. In Helio synastry, his Pluto is opposite my Persephone exact, his Rudra sextile my Kaali by 1 and my Siva opposite his Parvati by 1. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 11:00 AM
Indigo,before I am sharing my thoughts about the amazing analysis, let me get one thing out of the way, straight of: I have NO doubt at all, that you are twinflames. Period. (and no astrology would have made me doubted it, but nice to see it is backed up once again. lol) " CONCENTRATED FIRST HOUSE •
'The extraordinarily rare stellium of first house planets in the Composite indicate that you both are Twin Flames.'" that is interesting. Last times I talked to him he only considered the 7th house inc omposte (and in fact concluded that someone whose data I shared with him, was a Near twin, because the stellium was in 1st and not in 7th house - well the data was wrong anyway, as I later found out. lol)
Anyway, I always was convinced of the importance of the 1st house inc omposite (as it is about the union of two people) and am glad to see that IQ apparently sees it this way, too, now at least. "JUPITER, SUN, VENUS, VALENTINE, MOON, MERCURY and URANUS.
JUPITER, SUN, VENUS, MOON, VALENTINE and MERCURY are conjunct. (URANUS does so very widely.)" LOL first of this is amazing. Secondly, though on a more personal note, for me that would probably mean that Jude wouuld have to be my twinflame, at least we have quite a twinflameworthy stellium in 1st house, too.
(coincidentally I dreamed of him last night, but it was not a nice dream. Actually he didn`t say anything, he just looked at me, and do you know how some people can look at you, not even accusingly, but they make you feel like you are the most immoral, fickle person in the whole world? I actually felt "GUILTY" when waking up! guilty about what? What did I do to him? Or what does my subconsciousness thinks I did to him? Nah better not think about it) Anyway we have in our composite: ASC on 8.04 Sag Neptune 8.03 Sag (I REFUSE to consider that a 12th house Neptune. I mean come, on!) ANUBIS 9.21 Sag more importantly though:
Moon 22.31 Sag Mercury 22.50 Sag Venus 24.36 Sag SIVA 27.03 Sag NN 28.30 Sag Sun 1.47 cap PSYCHE 2.27 Cap Union and Amor are also in 1st house but at the end of 1st house and not conjunct Parallels:
Sun p Moon 0.12 Sun p Mercury 0.09 Sun p Venus 0.06 Sun p NN 0.01 Sun p SIVA 0.01 Sun p PSYCHE 0.00 (Sun also p Union, Ceres and Amor, but I just name these that are there in conjunction already) Moon p Mercury 0.01 Moon p Venus 0.06 Moon p NN 0.13 Moon p SIVA 0.11 Moon p PSYCHE 0.12
Mercury p Venus 0..05 Mercury p NN 0.14 mercury p SIVA 0.10 Mercury p PSYCHE 0.11 Venus p NN 0.07 Venus p SIVA 0.05 Venus p PSYCHE 0.06 NN p SIVA 0.02 NN p PSYCHE 0.01 SIVA p PSYCHE 0.01 Also the highest point in declination, before planets going out of bound is at 23.26 of declination, and usually marks the solstice, the point when planet peak and turn around to either asecend or descend, the turning point (unless they go out of bound).
this usually happensa round the cardinal ingresses in the chart. In Jude´s and my composite some planets happen to be rather close to that point of 23.26 (in our case, South)
Sun: 23.25 S NN: 23.26 S SIVA: 23.24 S PSYCHE: 23.25 S
Of course there is ALWAYS a killjoy to spoil the picture right?
In our case a VERY rigid stern strict looking Mr Saturn, eying this line up very strictly and suspiciously from 1 Cancer retrograde in 7th house, conjunct SN exactly and opposing Sun exactly. his declination is at 23.26 N, at the exact solstice. *sighs* Anyway I disgress. But this lineup in 1st house, oh well, always felt like too much. lol
and no, he is not my twinflame, but still, that 1st house stellium seems to have some significance. However, ujnlike in your case, Indigo, ours is in Sagittarius, so making it different maybe. Scorpio is so very sexually intense, Sagittarius, is more, I don´t know, idealistic-mental or something like that. Maybe more of a sibling nature, while the Scorpio-Taurus-axis might be more passionate. IP: Logged |
micole maree Knowflake Posts: 272 From: Bay Area, CA, USA Registered: Dec 2013
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posted March 13, 2014 11:45 AM
I'm so D*****D frustrated. Again, I typed out a bunch of information. And I don't know what the freak button I hit, but everything vanished - AGAIN - and then my computer rebooted.Now I need some breakfast. And a walk to burn off my mad. Indigo, thanks for sharing all of those details. Does iQ use the Davison uncorrected composite as well or some other method? I'm curious. I've been using the above since Ceri mentioned it. But your mention of a "packed first house in composite" made my heart both soar and clutch. Granted, I don't have a birth time. But I remembered coming across this set-up in our charts; MERCURY, VENUS, MARS, SUN and NN all in the first. I just confirmed; it was using the midpoint method. Probably not valid, eh? Okay. Sigh. I'll come back later and retype this stuff again. The third time had better be a charm... And Tgem, take good care of you. I thought I had remembered another one of us mentioning feeling terrible but I couldn't remember where in all of the pages generated lately. This illness over the past handful of days with all of us is starting to look suspect, isn't it? I wonder what we're all up to when we think we're sleeping? Maybe we've been attending a Twin Flame conference of some kind up there on the Other Side and we've got some "seepage" going on! That is one thing I've come across in my reading, several times, actually. That we take part in lessons/learning with other souls while we're "asleep". Hmmm... Okay, breakfast, caffeine, and a walk. Then I'll try AGAIN. Sheesh. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 01:55 PM
Ceri,I know this is madness, so, bear with me. I fell to sleep in a very strange state, I think. Terrible insomnia. The dreams were only pieces. Snippets. I only recalled some of them because I awoke - at 04:49 - briefly. I had CERTAINTY, from the logical conclusion, in the dream, of you and Mr Sag. I don't know the time, but we were chatting somewhere. I think it was my website. Something happened after you and he were together. It'd been a little while. But something about the way you both changed - it was absolutely beautiful. No other way to describe it. Your very natures ascended to a whole new level. I CAN'T describe it, actually. Except it was truly incredible. I awoke with the realisation I had no doubt about you two. None. And we all enjoyed sharing in your happiness. Isn't that WILD? What on earth brought THAT on? There were other bits but it's been lost to me for now. They were important - significant - so, I'm sure they'll return to me later. But for now ... wow. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 02:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by tgem: Been there....I have been De-friended and Blocked. 💙💙
Fortunately, he'd never do that. But he will do 'quieter' things that get the message across. We always seem to be silently terrified of losing the other, or that one will finally leave the other in some way. I guess that's why we never REALLY break contact. We're always there in the background even if one of us is running. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 02:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by tgem: WHOAH!! 😳😳😳😳
STILL sore. I feel EXACTLY as if I worked out. By the way, he did running (treadmill) and bicep curls. Yep. Soreness concentrated in my legs, (especially thighs and calves) and my upper arms. Not even kidding. I wonder if this was the 'sign' I asked for a few days ago. The 'thing I couldn't ignore'. Heh. Well, seeing as I'm going to apply more Biofreeze - yeah. Having a hard time ignoring it! 😉 IP: Logged |
micole maree Knowflake Posts: 272 From: Bay Area, CA, USA Registered: Dec 2013
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posted March 13, 2014 02:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Ceri,I know this is madness, so, bear with me. I fell to sleep in a very strange state, I think. Terrible insomnia. The dreams were only pieces. Snippets. I only recalled some of them because I awoke - at 04:49 - briefly. I had CERTAINTY, from the logical conclusion, in the dream, of you and Mr Sag. I don't know the time, but we were chatting somewhere. I think it was my website. Something happened after you and he were together. It'd been a little while. But something about the way you both changed - it was absolutely beautiful. No other way to describe it. Your very natures ascended to a whole new level. I CAN'T describe it, actually. Except it was truly incredible. I awoke with the realisation I had no doubt about you two. None. And we all enjoyed sharing in your happiness. Isn't that WILD? What on earth brought THAT on? There were other bits but it's been lost to me for now. They were important - significant - so, I'm sure they'll return to me later. But for now ... wow.
I'm so smiling right now. This makes me wonder even more about our "dream state". This is a great clue about what we're really up to, don't you think? This is just gorgeous. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 02:40 PM
Indigo,WOW! What can I say? I am stunned! It makes me feel very very warm inside. I myself have been through *something* for the last few days.
Well, I was of course happy after having seen him, and unlike those other times, the "portal" of that connection did not seem to close. Usually it closes pretty much IMMEDIATELY after meeting up in the physical, probably for both of us to find back our balance, or maybe just me. lol To return to "real life", to be able to put this encounter/ sightin whatever back on the shelf with the book of dreams. Just this time it wouldn´t close, which was a great feeling actually. ll Until a few days ago. Suddenly it was like he could have ceased to exist. WEll damned shut, the door! lol It must have been just a little after that that this nasty headache started, which lasted for 2-3 days. In the midst of it, I actually woke up one night, as it was like someone had "zapped" him, his energetic presence, right into my room. He was quite upset. He WANTED to go about "business as usual", snap back into "real life", but still showed up, sort of. NOw, of course it can be that this was only my own perception, subconsciousness, whatever, acting up. But it just feels like something shifted again. And then there was radio-silence again, me having these headaches, and feeling numb and exhausted as well, and for the last two nights I was having dreams, that I can`t quite remember, just snippets. In the first night I dreamed of my guardian soul/ Near TF (I call him like thi now. lol), you know the one I was talking about when describing my first breaking down and the night I almost died, the one that started me on this journey, somehow. Or became a catalyst or something like this. I just saw him in that dream, he was playing with his wedding ring, which seemed to become a little transparent, no clue what that was about. I hope everything is okay between him and his husband. However, as transparent his wedding-ring was, as clear was his face to me in this dream. And it was good to see him right then. Actually it made me look up his facebook site the next morning, which I practically never do, and of course in his friend`s list which name was among the first mentioned there? Mr Sag! Which made me look up HIS fb, which i haven`t done for a while, just to see that he had been putting a picture of the theatre he is at online. Anyway, and then last night, I dreamed of Jude. And it was not quite as nice seeing him, he looked, I don`t know, "betrayed", as it seemed. If I should interprete it spiritually, I would say, my Guardian Soul and me are absolutely even, alright and at peace with each other, while Mr Law and me might not. The expression in his eyes screamed "KARMA" in glaring letters, I suppose. But I didn`t really hang around long enough to figure it out.
There are just snippets I recall. Me at some sort of trainstation or even hotel. I think because of the suitcase in my hand. And there ws something else, important there, that Icannot remember now.
And then a bit later, I was at some sort of panel, computer panel. It sort of looked "extra-terrestrial" (?). It had the same, or almost same, vibe to it as when Iw as visiting "the place" in recent dreams, something that feels like an astral dimension maybe, for lack of better term. Anyway, this was not exactly the same vibe, but close, and I was there at that panel and typing some things in (I haven`t been the only one, there wre others prior, and apparently failed at whatever they were trying to do.) Heck I had not even a clue what I was doing there. But so I was typing in, when someone passed me, and then stood there and asked me, slightly exasperated, if I wasn`t afraid. I was pzzled, as I had no idea what I should be afraid of. This other person was mumbling something about possibly and unknowingly alerting "the bugs" (don`t ask me! I have no clue what he meant)
And beyond this, he continued, wasn`t I afraid of the consequences? I stopped what I was doing, thinking for a moment, startled. I had no idea the stakes were THAT high. But the way he was talking about it, I almost felt like, if I did it wrong, I might cause some kind of explosion, that might be huge enough to even sink a continent. lol Nevertheless I told the guy that the risk was worth it and I was having faith. I was very calm about it, but also determined. Well it was a very strange dream, and I can`t make real sense of i, but I woke up before the alarm clock, which I usually never do, and without headaches and without that cotton feeling in my head. Well, and actually Mr Sag had used this time when I was dreaming to put up a lot of pictures of the rehearsals online, and seeing him as King Artus, was, something made a flop in my solar plexus. I can´t yet put my finger on it what it was, though.
But that you dreamed of us - OW! "I think it was my website. Something happened after you and he were together. It'd been a little while. But something about the way you both changed - it was absolutely beautiful. No other way to describe it. Your very natures ascended to a whole new level." This made me feel very warm inside. Just with the second sentence, which contained the word "together" Well, it would make sense to me, too, as the transformational process I have undergone since he fell into my life, is unbelievable. Funnily enough he changed, too, over the years, not just externally. But I remember him to be this goofy boyish clownesk guy, and while that is still a part of him, by now I have had quite some glimpses into his sincere, serious sides as well. Well he tries to hide them, most of the time, and once or twice I had the feeling he felt uncomfortable when noticing he had been saying too much on stage. "I awoke with the realisation I had no doubt about you two. None." No doubts about us, doing, being what?
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 2450 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 02:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I know how you feel ...Though I found it uncanning, that sometimes when I was having this strange cold-like-symptoms without having a cold actually, and just a day later or so I would hear that indeed HE was having a cold.
Oh, man. We get sick in tandem. Always. If he's got a cold, I've got something. And vice versa. We always find out after the fact, too. So, it's not psychosomatic. Bizarre He even developed in 2012 the skin condition I've had since my teens. It was a final straw when I told him how it was likely due to him suppressing so much emotion. Needless to say, he had it treated and it went away within months. Now, strangely, since a year after, I'M managing mine for the first time in my life! We both look and feel better. Kinda. 😉 IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 02:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Oh, man. We get sick in tandem. Always. If he's got a cold, I've got something. And vice versa. We always find out after the fact, too. So, it's not psychosomatic. BizarreHe even developed in 2012 the skin condition I've had since my teens. It was a final straw when I told him how it was likely due to him suppressing so much emotion. Needless to say, he had it treated and it went away within months. Now, strangely, since a year after, I'M managing mine for the first time in my life! We both look and feel better. Kinda. 😉
Definite psychic link there! I think already mentioned that both of us decided losing weight in pretty much the same month and SUCEEDED in doing so. Is this a hilarious coincidence? Or serious synchronicity? Maybe a bit of both. A hilarious synchronicity.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 03:03 PM
I sometimes wonder, what does it mean that my ATLANTIS-Neptune-conjunction falls onto ANTARES?Atlantis - Antares: 1.10 Neptune - antares: 0.34 NN - Antares: 0.45 And what happened there to put my DRACO Neptune: 29.47 Pisces ATLANTIS: 28.05 Pisces on the fixed star SHEAT on 29.03 Pisces. This is so much at the end of a cycle, and so close to a new one, that I feel it might be significant.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 12705 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 13, 2014 03:18 PM
Darkstar astrology has these keywords:"Intense, dramatic, militant, fiery, passionate, obsessive, compulsive, fast and furious, spicy, awesome, eminent, primal, demanding, ruthless, ambitious, survivors, trailblazers, combative, driven, maniacal, pushy, tyrannical, villainous, human, bestial, ravenous, natural, impulsive, instinctive, challenging, raging, rampant, revolutionary, highly sexed, devilish, demonic, wicked, devils-advocate, teasing, taunting, provoking, phoenix from the flames, dare-devils, self-sabotaging, envious, valorous, competitive, temperamental, emotional, hot-headed, self-motivated, self-governed, mover & shaker." I did not find such a list for Scheat, however it seems to be related to drowning. Great!
Apparently it was also activated in the sinking of the Titanic.
apparently has to do with shipwrecks of any kind (read on one blog that some astrologers renamed it the "Oh Sh*t"- star"
However it also seems to have yet another side to it "Scheat is a star of intellect, of free though and actions and anyone who has a direct connection with this star will be independent and brave, unafraid of speaking their mind and communicating what they see as the truth. - See more at: http://solarisastrology.blogspot.de/2013/03/sun-and-venus-conjunc t-scheat-brave-new.html#sthash.itNJCKcN.dpuf http://solarisastrology.blogspot.de/2013/03/sun-and-venus-conjunct-scheat-brave-new.ht ml anyway back to topic
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