posted March 15, 2014 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
Lavender, I didn't see that quote from Ceridwen, so I'm glad you shared it as it resonates with me too. It has absolutely been a major part of this experience.

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posted March 15, 2014 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I notice that three of us have ALMA conjunct JUNO in some variation of a relationship chart.

Michelle and Jace:

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(The quote function is still not grabbing everything. This is weird.)

WOW. Oh wow, Ceri!

WHAT have you found? Because it sure feels like it is something significant. I got chills when I read this.

I love the literal translation of the combo here. Soul - mate. Soul - partner.

posted March 15, 2014 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Well maybe it's THE defining aspect...which would indicate we are not??!! It would be interesting to see if Lavender has it...

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Why do you thin kyou are not?

And no, let`s not get ahead of ourselves, here. I don`t believe that there is ONE single marker for tf, that fits all. It is always about patterns emerging.

However ALMA and its aspects might prove to be more significant than I originally thought - after all it means "soul". Maybe similiarly to an IC-conjunction highlighting a specific trait of the soul-connection.

So far the Alma-Juno-conjunction came up in couples who have been married for a long time, except for our cases here on the thread. *sighs*

But my parents had it (40 years of marriage), the Newman`s (50 years), the CAsh`s (I hae no clue how long but LONG).
The tf pairing I mentioned anonymously (over 20 years of marriage).

Maybe in some cases it is just a specific trait, though it makes me wonder what is it doing in OUR relationship charts then?

I donīt know though, I am just hypothizing, trying to find shared traits of the connections, who also have this aspect in common.

I have also tried using some other asteroids with Alma, but haven`t seen any consistent results yet.
I would not have payed attention, if it hadn`t come up three times yesterday, in Indigo`s, Michelle`s and my case. It was just intriguing me and making me wonder about thta little aspect.

And then to see it come up in the three next relationship charts I checked (my parents, Newmans, Cash-Carter) because I thought, if there is something to it, they SHOULD have it, and to see they actually did. WEll, it felt gobsmacking.

posted March 15, 2014 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
(The quote function is still not grabbing everything. This is weird.)

WOW. Oh wow, Ceri!

WHAT have you found? Because it sure feels like it is something significant. I got chills when I read this.

I love the literal translation of the combo here. Soul - mate. Soul - partner.

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Yes. I got chills, too, seeing it. I mean once might be a coincidence or a very individual marker, maybe also twice. But 7 times?
By now I actually found it 8 times, only checking for those I believe to be of high level soulmates. But I also have to say with the exception of us poor souls *desperate sigh* it seemed to have been coming up for partners, usually marriage partners.

posted March 15, 2014 11:29 AM            

I caught your "meeting" chart, of sorts, as you later smilingly referred to it, went back and it's gone? Did you remove it?

You posted a suggestion a ways back in this thread of making a composite of birth data and the time of an event. At that point, I went back and did that, with my first "awakening" dream of Jace (SO pivotal to what has happened in my life since) and the first astral visit.

My guess is that your chart was of one of these for yourself and Mr. Sag. Yes?

posted March 15, 2014 11:41 AM            

Your Juno-Alma discovery triggered something tickling at my memory. Frankly, I'm gobsmacked that I remembered anything. I don't retain this stuff. Not without paper in front of me. Not anymore.

I went back into our charts. Before I joined you all, I thought Jace and I had a Jupiter-Juno opposition but I was using planetary orbs, not 2.0.

I just checked. Is it significant to look at aspects across charts? Jace's natal Jupiter is at 10.46 Taurus. Our Davison uncorrected helio puts Juno at 10.51 Taurus.

posted March 15, 2014 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Why do you thin kyou are not?

And no, let`s not get ahead of ourselves, here. I don`t believe that there is ONE single marker for tf, that fits all. It is always about patterns emerging.

However ALMA and its aspects might prove to be more significant than I originally thought - after all it means "soul". Maybe similiarly to an IC-conjunction highlighting a specific trait of the soul-connection.

So far the Alma-Juno-conjunction came up in couples who have been married for a long time, except for our cases here on the thread. *sighs*

But my parents had it (40 years of marriage), the Newman`s (50 years), the CAsh`s (I hae no clue how long but LONG).
The tf pairing I mentioned anonymously (over 20 years of marriage).

Maybe in some cases it is just a specific trait, though it makes me wonder what is it doing in OUR relationship charts then?

I donīt know though, I am just hypothizing, trying to find shared traits of the connections, who also have this aspect in common.

I have also tried using some other asteroids with Alma, but haven`t seen any consistent results yet.
I would not have payed attention, if it hadn`t come up three times yesterday, in Indigo`s, Michelle`s and my case. It was just intriguing me and making me wonder about thta little aspect.

And then to see it come up in the three next relationship charts I checked (my parents, Newmans, Cash-Carter) because I thought, if there is something to it, they SHOULD have it, and to see they actually did. WEll, it felt gobsmacking.

But as I said, not everyone needs having it, and as it seems Union can act as alternative, as long as the aspect to Alma is close to exact.

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posted March 15, 2014 11:48 AM            

He mentioned SATURN trine JUNO as being significant and a marker that could be replaced for a different very strong marker. In synastry, Jace's SATURN at 4.45 Pisces trines my JUNO at 5.25 Scorpio.

posted March 15, 2014 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
"Why do you thin kyou are not?"
Because logic is always fighting with my heart and soul..that's why I'm always looking for patterns and validation..damn Aries mercury opposite Pluto 😒

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So SO with you, Tgem. We want PROOF. PROOF, d**n it!

posted March 15, 2014 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Ceri,

I caught your "meeting" chart, of sorts, as you later smilingly referred to it, went back and it's gone? Did you remove it?

You posted a suggestion a ways back in this thread of making a composite of birth data and the time of an event. At that point, I went back and did that, with my first "awakening" dream of Jace (SO pivotal to what has happened in my life since) and the first astral visit.

My guess is that your chart was of one of these for yourself and Mr. Sag. Yes?

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No I did not remove anything today. Maybe the thread is getting too long. Sometimes they do glitch then.

And yes I caught your thanks. Thank you for that.

You made me look up Davison-charts again. I am stilln ot sure, but maybe they are both valid.

I mean all your markers are in your Davison chart. The biggest indicator is in my Davison chart as well (though the composite depicts the connection, too, clearly though).

But it is Davison that has the exact ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction.

And Isis-Osiris is a big theme in our synastry, too.

his ISIS being quinkunx my ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction. The linked aspect through our ANGELs.
his Dr ISIS being conjunct my tr ISIS-OSIRIS-exact (actually his Dr SIVA is conjunct my tropical PARVATI as well, and my Dr SIVA is conjunct his tr PARVATI widely, with his tropical SIVA being quinkunx my tropical PARVATI exactly).

And the thing that I find so hilarious. In the Egyptian zodiac, I was born under the sign of OSIRIS, he was born under the sign of ISIS.

Only one day apart, but yet, my birthday is hte last day of OSIRIS, his birthday is the first day of ISIS, and the astrological correlation is there as well with HIS ISIS being quinkunx (and his draco conjunct) my OSIRIS (and Isis).

But the composite does not have an aspect between ISIS and OSIRIS.

Well,

ISIS 24.01 Pisces
OSIRIS 21.41 Aquarius

(semisextile by 2°21 - but that is REALLY reaching here)

However some beautiful pattern exist with the love asteroids, the sex-asteroids and spiritual indicators.

NN is conjunct AMOR and CUPIDO

NN 20.46 Libra
AMOR 20.36 Libra
CUPIDO 20.47 Libra
(CAMELOT is on 20.01 Libra)

ANGEL is conjunct VALENTINE and LUST

ANGEL 22.11 Scorpio
VALENTINE 23.34 SCorpio
LUST 22.03 Scorpio

And now -

NN-AMOR-CUPIDO are trine OSIRIS wintin a degree or so

ANGEL-VALENTINE-LUST are trine ISIS within 2 degrees

the OSIRIS-pattern resonates with AIR - the masculine resonating with the mind?

the ISIS-pattern resonates with WATER - the feminine resonating with spirit or soul?

In Davison however there is an exact ISIS_OSIRIS-conjunction

ISIS 25.22 Leo
OSIRIS 25.17 LEo

And curiously the last fullmoon triggered it big time, and YES it did.

But then again our composite Vertex is on 25 Leo as well with composite Psyche on 24 Aquarius

And yes I notice that the event-chart I posted had ANGEL on this degree, and oh boy, this is what it was, isnīt it?

in the helio DAvison the ISIS-OSIRIS is almost 4 degrees wide (12 and 16 Virgo).

ISIS conjunct AMOR and OSIRIS trine VALENTINE. lol Can`t escape the love in relation to Isis-Osiris I suppose.

I don`t know, as of now it seems that both charttypes seem to be fitting.

Not just becuase I want o defend our Isis-Osiris-conjunction, but I have seen this Alma-Juno-pattern through the diff. charts, too.

posted March 15, 2014 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Wow Lavender and Indigo, great interpretations of Ceri's event chart! Ceri is it a first meeting chart? I think it would be cool to post those with our SM/TF's to see what was going on

BTW it was Four years ago today on March 15th Cusp and I met...sigh...

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Seriously? 4 years ago next Thursday for me. Well, in person. But that was kind of important. Heh. He was still lying, though.

posted March 15, 2014 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, how to answer that question?

First meeting chart (in the physical) was on 22nd may 2008 at 9:48 p.m. though.

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posted March 15, 2014 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Seriously? 4 years ago next Thursday for me. Well, in person. But that was kind of important. Heh. He was still lying, though.

Our meeting charts are definitely interesting.

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2010 I deceide to reappear in his life lol

Anyway for me 24th march last year, definitely a shift. I decided that it was okay to see him, and if he doesn`t want me to be in his audienc, he`s gotta tell me. Not going to disappear again, just because I think might be a nuisance, a bore or whatever, or simply too much around.

posted March 15, 2014 11:58 AM            

March 17, 2010. The day I told my then-husband, with certainty, that I was leaving him. The day he accepted what I was saying. Jace's presence was SO strong in my heart, in my very aura, in the stars in the sky overhead. I felt his spirit walking beside me.

I knew, KNEW, he is my soulmate.

posted March 15, 2014 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No I did not remove anything today. Maybe the thread is getting too long. Sometimes they do glitch then.

And yes I caught your thanks. Thank you for that.

You made me look up Davison-charts again. I am stilln ot sure, but maybe they are both valid.

I mean all your markers are in your Davison chart. The biggest indicator is in my Davison chart as well (though the composite depicts the connection, too, clearly though).

But it is Davison that has the exact ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction.

And Isis-Osiris is a big theme in our synastry, too.

his ISIS being quinkunx my ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction. The linked aspect through our ANGELs.
his Dr ISIS being conjunct my tr ISIS-OSIRIS-exact (actually his Dr SIVA is conjunct my tropical PARVATI as well, and my Dr SIVA is conjunct his tr PARVATI widely, with his tropical SIVA being quinkunx my tropical PARVATI exactly).

And the thing that I find so hilarious. In the Egyptian zodiac, I was born under the sign of OSIRIS, he was born under the sign of ISIS.

Only one day apart, but yet, my birthday is hte last day of OSIRIS, his birthday is the first day of ISIS, and the astrological correlation is there as well with HIS ISIS being quinkunx (and his draco conjunct) my OSIRIS (and Isis).

But the composite does not have an aspect between ISIS and OSIRIS.

Well,

ISIS 24.01 Pisces
OSIRIS 21.41 Aquarius

(semisextile by 2°21 - but that is REALLY reaching here)

However some beautiful pattern exist with the love asteroids, the sex-asteroids and spiritual indicators.

NN is conjunct AMOR and CUPIDO

NN 20.46 Libra
AMOR 20.36 Libra
CUPIDO 20.47 Libra
(CAMELOT is on 20.01 Libra)

ANGEL is conjunct VALENTINE and LUST

ANGEL 22.11 Scorpio
VALENTINE 23.34 SCorpio
LUST 22.03 Scorpio

And now -

NN-AMOR-CUPIDO are trine OSIRIS wintin a degree or so

ANGEL-VALENTINE-LUST are trine ISIS within 2 degrees

the OSIRIS-pattern resonates with AIR - the masculine resonating with the mind?

the ISIS-pattern resonates with WATER - the feminine resonating with spirit or soul?

In Davison however there is an exact ISIS_OSIRIS-conjunction

ISIS 25.22 Leo
OSIRIS 25.17 LEo

And curiously the last fullmoon triggered it big time, and YES it did.

But then again our composite Vertex is on 25 Leo as well with composite Psyche on 24 Aquarius

And yes I notice that the event-chart I posted had ANGEL on this degree, and oh boy, this is what it was, isnīt it?

in the helio DAvison the ISIS-OSIRIS is almost 4 degrees wide (12 and 16 Virgo).

ISIS conjunct AMOR and OSIRIS trine VALENTINE. lol Can`t escape the love in relation to Isis-Osiris I suppose.

I don`t know, as of now it seems that both charttypes seem to be fitting.

Not just becuase I want o defend our Isis-Osiris-conjunction, but I have seen this Alma-Juno-pattern through the diff. charts, too.

sometimes the composite seems to be more soulmatey, sometimes the Davison. I am not sure what the difference really is except for hwat i wrote about it, but it intrigues me. lol

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Okay, so this: "And yes I notice that the event-chart I posted had ANGEL on this degree, and oh boy, this is what it was, isnīt it? "

So, it WAS the astral meeting? Like mine?

You didn't *really* say. I'm just guessing.

And yeah, "angel" fits. Suspended in the air, ethereal white, welcome spiritual visitation?

posted March 15, 2014 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Seriously? 4 years ago next Thursday for me. Well, in person. But that was kind of important. Heh. He was still lying, though.

Our meeting charts are definitely interesting.

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posted March 15, 2014 12:49 PM            

It just won't load. What the hay do I keep doing wrong? It's downloaded to my desktop. But I can't get it to Photbucket and then here!

Oh well. Ceri, I was going to post mine for comparison but I can't. I do remember checking out the transits though and there was a TON of stuff happening with Psyche, Vx, and I think Uranus, nodes and Pluto. And Mars and Venus. My head was spinning with the aspects to his chart and then to mine.

I didn't include all of these asteroids. I suspect it's gonna get really juicy now!

posted March 15, 2014 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Okay, so this: "And yes I notice that the event-chart I posted had ANGEL on this degree, and oh boy, this is what it was, isnīt it? "

So, it WAS the astral meeting? Like mine?

You didn't *really* say. I'm just guessing.

And yeah, "angel" fits. Suspended in the air, ethereal white, welcome spiritual visitation?

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posted March 15, 2014 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I know what it is. 😉 My advice stands!

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Tell me what it is!

posted March 15, 2014 01:16 PM            

I'm not asking you to run this but if you're ever curious or wondering about possible parallels between our experiences, that's the date.

posted March 15, 2014 01:18 PM            

Well I suppose we have an ongoing astral link. But as I said, I do`t quite make it to the astral realm. My choice.

I opt for dimensions closer to the physical, actually. The hypagnogic - frequent meeting, very very frequent, outstanding (and yes occasionally astral as well, which often left me dumbfounded like "What the **** am i doing here? HOw have I ended up here?" lol
But then it would be an astral-physical-visitation.

anyway, hypagnogic, often.

But then THAT that night, even closer to the physical (MY physical at least). I did not know how to call it, that there was a name for it, this realm, this step when you are hovering at the edge - and I apparently sometimes can extend it, always did so, before falling asleep, but not quite in the hypagnogic. The dimensions melt into each other for me.

But this this was closer to the physical. I remember lying in my own bed, so quite close to the physical, quite.

I did not know the name, but I read it in the treatise, Robert Bruce and others call it the "Real time zone"

It is important for me to have a name for things. it helps me getting more of a grasp of them, mentally (my spirit does not need names, but my mind does).

" The real-time zone can best be thought of as a buffer zone or intermediary area dividing the physical universe from the astral dimension proper. It shares some properties of the physical universe (a direct and objective real-time reflection of reality) and some properties of the astral dimension (a fluid, nonphysical environment).

The real-time zone, although technically still a part of the astral dimension, is best considered a completely separate dimensional level. This sidesteps much of the confusion inherent in trying to relate a single set of projection-related factors and environmental properties to more than one dimensional level. The out-of-body environment is anything but simple. Each dimensional level contains a different environment, each with its own unique set of aspects and properties.

Reality fluctuations are the most noticeable confusing factor in the real-time zone. These fluctuations are so consistent in the real-time zone that they actually form one of its few constants. I have found the real-time zone to be fairly stable and predictable in itself. Most fluctuations are caused, I think, from interactions between the fairly sensitive real-time environment and the generally unstable perceptions of the real-time projected double.

Because the real-time zone is so close to the physical dimension, New Age thought puts it at the very bottom of the dimensional scale. This leads people to consider it to be a lower astral subplane, traditionally a negative and unsavory environment, to be actively avoided. But the real-time zone does not bear any direct relationship with the lower astral subplanes. It is a completely separate neutral area, best considered as being neither high nor low in the dimensional spectrum.

The average projector finds the real-time zone fairly dark and gloomy, a totally inaccurate picture that stems from projecting only late at night, just before going to sleep. At night the world is naturally dark and gloomy and full of shadows!

I would suggest to all who dispute this that they project during the daytime at least once and experience this difference.

There is nothing at all dark or gloomy or scary about a real-time projection on a sunny day. On the contrary, it is one of the most delightful and thoroughly enjoyable experiences I can think of.

The real-time zone overlays and permeates the entire physical universe and contains a perfect reflection of reality within it. Everything happens in real-time - as reality actually happens - hence its name. Projectors traveling within the real-time zone and remaining stable and unaffected by reality fluctuations perceive themselves to be following the actual spatial contours and geographical shape of the physical universe. They thus appear to be existing inside a direct nonphysical reflection of reality... as reality happens.

I have spent a great deal of time in the real-time zone exploring its properties and limitations. The experience is very much like being an invisible specter in the real world.

The normal laws of physics do not have any direct effect on real-time projectors. They are free to travel at will anywhere in the physical universe, at any speed, and can defy gravity.

They can move through solid matter at will, although they may perceive some texture and varying degrees of resistance.

Real-time projectors exist as invisible points of consciousness (although they usually perceive themselves quite differently) connected to the physical body via an invisible energetic linkage often called the silver cord. Their physical location is usually consistent with where they perceive themselves to be in the real world. Their movements can be tracked and ascertained if they are viewed with real-time sight, a type of clairvoyance. The only other way to verify the real-time aspects of a real-time projection is for the projectors to gather information and accurately report real-life events and facts that they would have no other possible way to know.

Real-time sight enables observers to see into the real-time zone around them. The quality of this type of sight is variable. Sometimes only cloudy shapes or indistinct images of the surrounding room will be seen through closed eyelids and bedcovers. A stronger level of real-time sight can, at the other extreme, be mistaken for normal physical sight (it can be that clear) when projectors see their rooms and real-life events happening around them vividly, but through closed eyelids. "

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/astral_dynamics/astral_dynamics01.htm

Oh that is why I am seeing these shapes and figures, sometimes even with closed eyes. lol

posted March 15, 2014 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
"Why do you thin kyou are not?"
Because logic is always fighting with my heart and soul..that's why I'm always looking for patterns and validation..damn Aries mercury opposite Pluto 😒

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I know that too well.
Yes.

posted March 15, 2014 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
And this tiny piece that came out of reading the threads put up by iQ that you posted a few pages back.

He mentioned SATURN trine JUNO as being significant and a marker that could be replaced for a different very strong marker. In synastry, Jace's SATURN at 4.45 Pisces trines my JUNO at 5.25 Scorpio.

(My JUNO happens to be conjunct NEPTUNE at 5.xx Scorpio as well; I have no idea what that does to the mix. As well, that JUNO/NEPTUNE is trine Jace's VENUS at 6.xx or 7.xx Cancer, depending upon the birth time used.) A grand trine, isn't it?

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Yes, IQ mentioned Juno-SAturn being remarkably as strong as Juno-Jupiter.

However, Juno-Neptune trine Venus,