posted February 12, 2014 07:03 AM            

For transits, people would find Neptune would be harder since it is after all a dream shattered while Saturn is more of a lesson learnt.

For synastry, it really depends on the natal. Some people know that harsh Saturn restrictions from their partner is to teach them so they embrace it. There are those who would rather choose to fall hopelessly in the idealization of love....but hey, they like it.

posted February 12, 2014 07:27 AM            

Neptune is the religious nightmare that many Nigerian LGBT people are having to deal with.

People using "God" as an excuse for the many atrocities leveled against the LGBT people.

Neptune is the constant mission to wake from a "dream" state, passive living,hypnotism and mass hysteria.And when waking, realizing that you've wasted your existence in sleep.

Saturn is more definitive. Though extremely painful, Saturn gives you the real deal.
"You are aging", "You'll never get to travel the world"," It is too late to do that now" etc.

Saturn may make one more pessimistic and cynical; not to mention downright booooring.

But Neptune tends to take you up to extreme highs and then , if you survive the fall, you are left to clean up the pieces.

As a Sun-Neptune conjunct, I can't recall how many times I'd wished that I could have used common sense in some life experiences -instead of being taken up by my own "wishing will make it so".

posted February 12, 2014 10:33 AM            

I'd much rather hear those words from neptune, than from saturn…saturn is just deadly boring, and I don't need realism in my relationship, I don't care as long as we love each other! Saturn - go home!

posted February 12, 2014 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by mcmlxix:
I’m down on Saturn because natally it squares my Venus, which has been a big problem my whole life. Neptune trines my Moon.

Neptune transits have been more difficult though. I experience them as a defocusing rather than an all is rosy filter. It’s hard to do something if you can’t see it, not for what it really is, but at all. I’d rather have the deception…I’m willing to fall down the rabbit hole as long as it’s good while it lasts.

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posted February 12, 2014 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Neptune, definitely neptune. To me bad neptune aspects/transits are like seeing visions of the most wonderful utopia, most beautiful art, everything you could ever want, the perfect relationship, the perfect home, then coming back to reality to realize that you'll never have any of those things in your life ever. It can be a really abrasive crash when you come back down, like you were in the heavens earlier and now you're in some rat infested smog filled town where everyones an a$$hole.

Whereas Saturn tells you upfront "listen, this is a rat infested smog filled town full of a$$holes, get it the f**k together or you're gonna live out of that dumpster". I feel more like you actually learn something from saturn transits, whereas neptune is like some sort of a divine tease that makes you feel like a heartbroken heroin addict trying to chase after imaginary unicorns

I am cap rising with saturn as my chart ruler in the first house so this might make saturnian energy a bit easier for me to deal with.

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posted February 12, 2014 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Have you experienced depression? You have Virgo rising so Venus isn't particularly strong.

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My Venus isn't strong because it's in my 12th? Then my Venus is being hit not only by the Saturn square, but also by Neptune.

So depression is related to a Saturn afflicted Venus and/or 12th house Venus? To answer your question, yes, and mania too.

I don’t know if it’s because of Leo (in love with being in love) Venus or what, but I fall in love fast. But it’s always with someone who’s totally unavailable or wrong for me...how 12th house! Luckily I’m able to fall out of love as quickly without any harm done.

posted February 12, 2014 03:06 PM            

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My Venus isn't strong because it's in my 12th? Then my Venus is being hit not only by the Saturn square, but also by Neptune.

So depression is related to a Saturn afflicted Venus and/or 12th house Venus? To answer your question, yes, and mania too.

I don’t know if it’s because of Leo (in love with being in love) Venus or what, but I fall in love fast. But it’s always with someone who’s totally unavailable or wrong for me...how 12th house! Luckily I’m able to fall out of love as quickly without any harm done.

Now that Neptune is crossing over my DSC for the last time and entering my Piscean 7th house, I can only imagine all of that will increase. Still, I’d rather relationships be hit by Neptune than Saturn.

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posted February 12, 2014 03:21 PM            

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Neptune, definitely neptune. To me bad neptune aspects/transits are like seeing visions of the most wonderful utopia, most beautiful art, everything you could ever want, the perfect relationship, the perfect home, then coming back to reality to realize that you'll never have any of those things in your life ever. It can be a really abrasive crash when you come back down, like you were in the heavens earlier and now you're in some rat infested smog filled town where everyones an a$$hole.

Whereas Saturn tells you upfront "listen, this is a rat infested smog filled town full of a$$holes, get it the f**k together or you're gonna live out of that dumpster". I feel more like you actually learn something from saturn transits, whereas neptune is like some sort of a divine tease that makes you feel like a heartbroken heroin addict trying to chase after imaginary unicorns

I am cap rising with saturn as my chart ruler in the first house so this might make saturnian energy a bit easier for me to deal with.

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I am Pisces rising so Neptune is my chart ruler and I can tell you when Neptune illusions mess with you, it's the worse thing that can happen. At least with Saturn, there is a lesson to be learned and you can actually benefit from it later.

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posted February 12, 2014 03:23 PM            

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At least there are results with Saturn.
#ILoveNeptuneButStopBashingOnSaturn

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posted February 12, 2014 03:25 PM            

We see you, Neptune! You're not fooling us no more! LOL

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posted February 12, 2014 04:07 PM            

Ack…don’t talk of Neptune opposite Sun…Neptune still hasn’t finished with my DSC! What orb are you using for Neptune opposing your Sun? It won’t oppose my 14 Virgo 38 Sun until 2017. All of 2015 Pluto will be trining my Sun. That’ll be beneficial.

When Neptune entered my 6th, I lost my job. I’ve managed to work my way into a corporation with career growth...but I hate it here...it’s not what I want out of life. My health also went poorly. Among a whole litany, I had my gallbladder out twice (don’t ask), racked up some allergies and autoimmune disorders, and the bipolar was officially diagnosed after MUCH mayhem. Good luck!

posted February 12, 2014 04:20 PM            

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Ack…don’t talk of Neptune opposite Sun…Neptune still hasn’t finished with my DSC! What orb are you using for Neptune opposing your Sun? It won’t oppose my 14 Virgo 38 Sun until 2017. All of 2015 Pluto will be trining my Sun. That’ll be beneficial.

When Neptune entered my 6th, I lost my job. I’ve managed to work my way into a corporation with career growth...but I hate it here...it’s not what I want out of life. My health also went poorly. Among a whole litany, I had my gallbladder out twice (don’t ask), racked up some allergies and autoimmune disorders, and the bipolar was officially diagnosed after MUCH mayhem. Good luck!

So I’m curious what it’ll do to my 7th. I think I’ll take the Beatle’s advice and turn off my mind, relax, and float down stream. How Piscean/Neptunian.

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posted February 12, 2014 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I think of Venus as an antidote to depression because it represents what we lack when depressed. I guess when Saturn squares Venus, the effect is strong regardless of the chart ruler. I thought mine was worse because Venus rules my chart.

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I see depression as comping from a place of lack or scarcity. I'd think Jupiter (Libra) would be a good antidote. I could also see depression being Neptunian. Alcohol/drugs are certainly depressive. Interestingly, Pisces was ruled by Jupiter before Neptune came along.

Well yes, Mercury rules my chart, and my Mercury is 2nd house Libra...both ruled by Venus. In any case, I feel "ruled" by mutability...if that makes sense.

posted February 12, 2014 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by mcmlxix:
I see depression as comping from a place of lack or scarcity. I'd think Jupiter (Libra) would be a good antidote. I could also see depression being Neptunian. Alcohol/drugs are certainly depressive. Interestingly, Pisces was ruled by Jupiter before Neptune came along.

Well yes, Mercury rules my chart, and my Mercury is 2nd house Libra...both ruled by Venus. In any case, I feel "ruled" by mutability...if that makes sense.

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posted February 13, 2014 11:50 PM            

did you know everyone in my family has moon conjunct neptune?

I grew up around that ish my whole life.

Yeah they aren't very realistic but they are all dreamy beautiful eccentric people lol

and asteroid DNA conjunct neptune exact lol!

my longest relationship was neptunian-uranian and it was really beautiful i don't want anything in my life to be basic and boring.

Saturn is really the force that causes us to be force to go to school and work.

posted February 14, 2014 12:19 AM            

I have much more Neptune action going on in my chart, the apex of both a small talent triangle and a T-square, conjunct my NN. My Sun is my chart Ruler, and it's ruled by Neptune, so it's a personal planet.

That by itself has created a lot of dishevelment in my life, but I've managed to overcome most of that.

But Neptune oppostite my Moon right now has me in a complete mental fog, indecisive, and just wanting to "go with the flow" when I'm usually pretty decisive after some thought.

I am disliking this Neptune transit hitting my T-square and transiting through my 8th while we talk about moving and changing our lifestyle.