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Topic: Kurt Cobain's chart
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Ellynlvx Knowflake Posts: 10490 From: the Point of Light within the Mind of God Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 22, 2014 03:53 AM
First thing I thought when I saw the chart.As to the rough childhood: Ruler of the Fourth House is Jupiter, Retrograde in Cancer, Mars Squares. Moon in the Tenth, life in the public eye. Uranus/Pluto Opposite Pisces Saturn/Venus. She killed him. IP: Logged |
Leocassandra Knowflake Posts: 617 From: Poland Registered: Jan 2013
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posted February 22, 2014 05:24 AM
Ok, his chart got hell lot of water element so he's feeling sometimes much more that he should be. His Pisces planets are in 6-7th houses. Sadly i know very litlle solar Pisces. The one i know has also Moon in Pisces. They have soft core and quite dependent on others people. There is Grand Trine in water. Some say people with grand trines or easy charts can be quite lazy and can be destroyed because of difficul transit/s and in his life there were heavy transits. Pisces+Neptune aspecting every planet+North node in 8th house-longing for something more dangerous. He had so much water but his Moon was only aspected by Mercury and weak sextile to north node. Uranus/Pluto conjunction is revolutionary, rebellious but in Virgo it's practical and critical. He wanted to do something practical for world especially with his exact Mars sextile Sun but his Pisces Stellium didn't allow him. IMO he was the most disappointed with himself, his behaviour, that he couldnt make any progress.IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 3104 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 22, 2014 05:40 AM
I've read a book about him once. He suffered from pain in his stomach since he was a child, and that's why he began to do drugs. It was only to kill the pain, though he got addicted. I think the pain in his stomach was actually hurting him so much, he didn't wanted to live. He also couldn't eat normally, and when he played guitar it got worse, but he didn't know that. He was sick, but not mentally. He only got depressed because of his health-issues.
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Leocassandra Knowflake Posts: 617 From: Poland Registered: Jan 2013
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posted February 22, 2014 07:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by next to neptune: I've read a book about him once. He suffered from pain in his stomach since he was a child, and that's why he began to do drugs. It was only to kill the pain, though he got addicted. I think the pain in his stomach was actually hurting him so much, he didn't wanted to live. He also couldn't eat normally, and when he played guitar it got worse, but he didn't know that. He was sick, but not mentally. He only got depressed because of his health-issues.
I believe he could have stomach pain, but it could be also be psycho-somatic. Im also having stomach pain when im nervous etc. It could be caused by: Uranus aspecting ASC or Neptune in 3rd house (because we both have it)
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LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1592 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted February 22, 2014 03:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Probably because of his excessive water. Maybe he didn’t want to feel all those watery feelings. Pisces can pick up other people’s feelings and mistake it for their own, he probably had to deal with a bombardment of feelings. Drugs make the feelings go numb. I’m not convinced by the “suicide” theory. One day he was recording a solo album and next day he was gone ?
That is exactly what he said in his suicide note. He was too empathetic and was a moody Pisces. Clearly there was more going on in his head than is written in the note. http://www.kurtcobainssuicidenote.com/kurt_cobains_suicide_note.html
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posted February 22, 2014 04:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by LucieLemonade: That is exactly what he said in his suicide note. He was too empathetic and was a moody Pisces. Clearly there was more going on in his head than is written in the note. http://www.kurtcobainssuicidenote.com/kurt_cobains_suicide_note.html
Eh...well, he was a "moody Pisces", but also had a Pisces stellium, Mars in Scorpio, Cancer Moon, and Virgo AC. That's a lot of water in general and most of the rest in Virgo, not to mention the oppositions to his stellium. Just saying.  Also an air void. So much water, and no air to breathe. IP: Logged |
eyes_like_pisces Knowflake Posts: 448 From: mpls, mn, usa Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 22, 2014 08:11 PM
When I was looking into critical degrees there were a lot of random degrees associated with odd things. Im not sure how reliable the source was but it did mention 17° gemini associated with murder/violence. I believe 13° cancer is another critical degree or crisis degree (his moon).I also find his POF in 8th house (another possible critical degree of fixed signs) oppose prey asteroid interesting. Maybe with pof in 8th indicates sn idealization of death? Mercury and chiron on ascendant..like someone else wrote, maybe he was too afflicted with other peoples pain. With jupiter and juno close together in retrograde square mars, makes me think of his relationship with Courtney. She might not have killed him, but could've played a role in the decision making process. His 6th house ruler uranus in Virgo retrograde (internalizing) of all things close to the ascendant in first(self aware), he may have been very in touch with his physical health and pain. Conjunct pluto (intensity and transformation). Uranus in general close to mystical pluto and opposite mercury, could possibility indicate a need to seek reformation and using drugs to do it. Many people start off in their drug habit with the idea of seeking Devine truths (David Leary stuff). Idk...just adding to what others said. IP: Logged |
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posted February 22, 2014 08:26 PM
Courtney Love's chart, for those interested. IP: Logged |
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posted February 22, 2014 08:30 PM
Slightly creepy that her Nemesis is conjunct his Moon exact... I don't have any opinions on whether there was foul play involved, but...yeah, that's an odd conjunction at any rate.IP: Logged |
Celestica Knowflake Posts: 270 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 22, 2014 09:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Violets: Slightly creepy that her Nemesis is conjunct his Moon exact... I don't have any opinions on whether there was foul play involved, but...yeah, that's an odd conjunction at any rate.
I usually try not to make rude comments about people and I definitely have never met her so it's possible that if I was to meet her I'd think she was really friendly and awesome, but as of now I find her very creepy in general, she just gives off this very weird aura IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted February 22, 2014 10:41 PM
You can't see things based off his chart alone. Sometimes it's synastry that caused all the weird things happening to him.She has Nessus cjt Vertex (that's if birth time is accurate). People who go through her life would get abused in some way. Seeing how they are both drug addicts, it's very likely they drag each other down the wrong path. IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2014 02:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by mareaire:
but i don't know a single junkie that would shoot themselves, over ODing.
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LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1592 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted February 23, 2014 05:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Violets: Eh...well, he was a "moody Pisces", but also had a Pisces stellium, Mars in Scorpio, Cancer Moon, and Virgo AC. That's a lot of water in general and most of the rest in Virgo, not to mention the oppositions to his stellium. Just saying.  Also an air void. So much water, and no air to breathe.
He probably didn't know all that. But he certainly seems to have felt it. I can't imagine how tortured he felt.  Sad really. I do wonder if he knew more about his chart it would have helped him.
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LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1592 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted February 23, 2014 05:29 AM
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I also find his POF in 8th house (another possible critical degree of fixed signs) oppose prey asteroid interesting. Maybe with pof in 8th indicates sn idealization of death? [/B]
That's interesting. Also in the suicide note he mentions that it's better to go out in flames rather than just fade away. (I'm paraphrasing, you can see his exact words above.) Plus having killed himself at age 27 it puts him in that "club" with Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison.
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: You can't see things based off his chart alone. Sometimes it's synastry that caused all the weird things happening to him.She has Nessus cjt Vertex (that's if birth time is accurate). People who go through her life would get abused in some way. Seeing how they are both drug addicts, it's very likely they drag each other down the wrong path.
Absolutely. They were very bad for each other. At least she was bad for him. Other boyfriend's of her's said that she was abusive both physically and mentally. I feel bad for the kid. I wonder if you can see all that in the child's chart. IP: Logged |
Leocassandra Knowflake Posts: 617 From: Poland Registered: Jan 2013
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posted February 23, 2014 06:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by LucieLemonade: I feel bad for the kid. I wonder if you can see all that in the child's chart.
Frances has Sun in Leo in 11th/12th house. square Pluto, trine Moon, sextile MC. Her Moon is in Aries, in 8th house(:P), sextile MC, square Neptune. Uranus/Neptune in 4th house. Her chart is more similar to Courtney's than Kurt's. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 97 From: - Registered: Jun 2020
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posted July 26, 2020 06:30 PM
I can say, having Saturn in the 7th house and your family home unstable it is enough to make you unsecure, to make someone have depression and have a drug addiction.I just watched the whole thing about him and I can't believe. The first thing I saw was their relationship and I thought how beautiful, seems like you can have a great relationship having Saturn in the 7th house lol, after I saw the details about his suicide and how strange she was after he died, like I would have been devastated. Really... it must be very traumatic for someone to have your husband die by suicide and she seemed like she felt nothing. Really strange. I have this placement and I'm in shock. Probably I'll be very careful with who I get involved. IP: Logged |
sis Knowflake Posts: 581 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 27, 2020 03:33 PM
I love Courtney. I admire her strength and talent. Where do you get the idea of her killing him by looking at their synastry because when I look at their synastry I see that she was mothering him mostly. And most probably Kurt was abusive towards her... But still they loved each other and they learned from each other, they had fun together..I remember the day Kurt committed suicide and must be the day after or - several days later I am not sure- , Courtney read the suicide note on MTV, she was crying... and was angry at the same time. which is understandable. Also, someones not crying or not looking devastated does not mean she\he not sad. A friend's husband he fell from the 5th floor to the ground and died. He was high. She witnessed his husbands fall.. She was accused of being too calm while TV channels recording her talking to a friend. Some people accused her killing of her husband... just because she looked calm... She is a close friend and she is a Capricorn. I witnessed her pain. It lasted many years... But she did not show it to everybody. Courtney did not kill Kurt. Her other boyfriends like Michael Stipe, Billy Corgan, Edward Norton have always praised Courtney and remained friends with her. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 97 From: - Registered: Jun 2020
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posted July 27, 2020 03:44 PM
I don't think she killed him. Maybe she was a toxic person for him.I don't think she's a good person still. At first sight, I thought that their love was something beautiful, but after i looked closer, i cant think that she can love someone. She appears to be self-centered and after he died, she seemed to enjoy all the atention she was given. He seemed to be a nice guy that was used by her, honestly. Probably they loved each other in a toxic kind of way. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa Knowflake Posts: 97 From: - Registered: Jun 2020
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posted July 27, 2020 03:51 PM
Btw, beside her pluto on his IC, she has her Lilith there too. In the composite, they have a stellium in taurus, with rVenus. I had a stellium in Taurus with a guy and whatever was between us was hard to handle. Sun, venus and mars in taurus, with moon in pisces. We were like super in love with each other, but there were many times when we were lost in each other. At some point he asked me "why dont you stop me?" And I told him "i dont have any control" It was difficult to stop the relationship, but now I think that it was for the best. Maybe thats how this stellium works. But I think I've seen it in the composite of Victoria and David Beckham and they are a stable couple.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 129921 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2020 12:47 PM
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