posted March 14, 2014 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I had Venus square Mars with someone, and we are in no way soul mates.

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That's not a good aspect. Venus Trine Mars would be a good aspect. Don't think the thread was asking about bad aspects.

posted March 14, 2014 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
That's not a good aspect. Venus Trine Mars would be a good aspect. Don't think the thread was asking about bad aspects.

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posted March 14, 2014 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:

I had Venus square Mars with someone, and we are in no way soul mates.

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Hi, Venus square Mars in a synastry between lovers is not a bad aspect, it adds lots of passion and attraction.

One aspect alone cannot make for a soulmate synastry. Check the other posts in the thread to see if you have other aspects.

posted March 14, 2014 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

eg. If one person's Draconic Sun or Moon is exactly conjunct the other's natal Sun or Moon that would be a BIG indication that you were close to this person in previous lives.

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posted March 14, 2014 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Exactly my line of thinking

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posted March 15, 2014 06:07 AM            

Does anyone know famous long-term couples WITHOUT Mars/Venus Moon/Sun contacts in their synastry?

posted March 15, 2014 08:28 AM            

His Sun opp her Moon
Her Sun square his Moon
His Mars semisquare her Venus
Her Mars sextile his Venus

posted March 15, 2014 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

- Draconic aspects!!
This is a big one. If either partner's Draconic chart does not have planets (in particular personal planets) exactly conjunct the other's Draconic or Geocentric placements -- again.. it probably isn't a 'past life' soulmate-type connection.

eg. If one person's Draconic Sun or Moon is exactly conjunct the other's natal Sun or Moon that would be a BIG indication that you were close to this person in previous lives.

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posted March 15, 2014 04:13 PM            

It's extremely wide (2º40) but nonetheless most DEFINITELY felt. It's kinda hard to NOT feel a quindecile.

I had a VENUS-MARS conjunction (3º) with a Karmic Soulmate against whom I had to get a restraining order after I moved states, and he begun stalking me. Yes, states. Not cities.

Honestly, it's the only relationship in which I've had a man's MARS on my VENUS. VIRGO, not to mention. No PLUTO aspects - no hard aspects or afflictions of any kind to it, actually.

For me, the involvement of EROS and PSYCHE in some fashion tends to denote a soul connexion. VENUS and PSYCHE, MARS and EROS, especially.

Barring that - PLUTO. PLUTO/VENUS and PLUTO/MARS. The intensity is fearsome, no matter the aspect. The sex drive reaches beyond the physical, bubbling up from deep within the soul, and extending into higher realms.

posted March 15, 2014 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

For me, the involvement of EROS and PSYCHE in some fashion tends to denote a soul connexion. VENUS and PSYCHE, MARS and EROS, especially.

Barring that - PLUTO. PLUTO/VENUS and PLUTO/MARS. The intensity is fearsome, no matter the aspect. The sex drive reaches beyond the physical, bubbling up from deep within the soul, and extending into higher realms.

You don't get that with VENUS and MARS alone. You get attraction - a definite linkage of masculine and feminine - but not on the soul level.

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IndigoDirae, very interesting. I agree with the Venus/Pluto, Mars/Pluto, Pluto being the higher octave of Mars, it makes sense. And since Pluto/Neptune (as the higher octave of Venus) would be hard to have or interpret because they are outer planets, moving slowly, the pair Venus/Pluto is a great symbol for a deep, soulful, eternal, karmic kind of love.

But you really caught my attention with the Eros/Mars and Venus/Psyche contacts, I am very interested in your theory. Why these contacts and not the classical Eros-Psyche? Do you have personal experiences with Mars/Eros, Venus/Psyche and/or some references, some articles or books about this?

posted March 15, 2014 05:03 PM            

tell me more about the Venus-Mars-quindecile.

I notice that my progressed Venus has just moved into a quindecile with his natal Mars (0.47). It will peak in november this year.

And two years later will be applyng (one degree) to a quindecile with his pr Mars, will last quite some time so I am curious.

posted March 15, 2014 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
LeeLoo - From I've seen and read the only aspects that are a must in relationships that are 'old' (i.e. you've shared past lives together) as opposed to new.. are:

- Saturn aspects!
If there are no exact Saturn aspects at all between two people, then it's likely they have not crossed paths in previous lives.

- Draconic aspects!!
This is a big one. If either partner's Draconic chart does not have planets (in particular personal planets) exactly conjunct the other's Draconic or Geocentric placements -- again.. it probably isn't a 'past life' soulmate-type connection.

eg. If one person's Draconic Sun or Moon is exactly conjunct the other's natal Sun or Moon that would be a BIG indication that you were close to this person in previous lives.

- Several exact aspects in the synastry and composite.
If you don't have at least ONE - it's likely not a soulmate relationship.
By exact I mean on the same degree... e.g. his Jupiter is at 9 degrees Sagittarius - and your Sun is at 9 degrees Pisces.
It's a stronger indication if you have a *few* of these... not just a couple.

- The NODES.
I should've listed this first.. There absolutely must be a conjunction to either the North Node or the South Node (in the synastry).. a close conjunction is good... but an exact conjunction is a stronger indication.
If one partner has a planet square the other's Nodal axis.. that can also be an indication of a soulmate relationship.
The trines and sextiles are 'mild', not very intense.

- The AC/DC axis touching the Nodal axis or the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis.

The most important thing with all of these patterns is the *exactness*. I know I've repeated it a few times - but this is really the main thing to remember.

You won't find soulmates who have ten conjunctions - all within a 3' degree orb.
You just won't.
You'll find soulmates who have maybe three conjunctions - but they are all exact.

This is a completely different topic to whether or not a conjunction (or any other aspect) is felt.
For example - one person can have a Leo Sun at 20 deg.. and their Sun might be conjunct their partner's Moon at 17 deg Leo.
Of course this would be felt! There wouldn't be much astrological debate about it.

But it would not be an indication of a past life connection.
On the other hand - if one person has three planets at 5 degrees, e.g. Sun at 5' Scorpio, Mars at 5' Pisces and Jupiter at 5' Gemini -- and they meet a person who has Moon at 5' Taurus and Mercury at 5' Aquarius with their NN at 5' Scorpio --- that is a much stronger indication of soulmates.

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Odette,

This has been very helpful.
What would you think of the draconic Suns conjunct within 2 degrees. And natal Sun conjunct Draco Sun 1degree? Only to back up natal charts as there are many connections there too.

You have provided some helpful info for trying to figure out a soulmate connection I have.

I got lots of helpful info from Ceridwen from other theads too. Tried to ask a few questions at the start of the twinflame thread but I was out of the loop at that point so I followed some of it and took bits of info from it which has been great for looking at our charts.

I wonder do either of you read charts?
I'm able to find many aspects that are considered soulmate aspects but I would love another opinion as I find myself getting lost when trying to really get an idea of our charts as a whole. I looked up the twin flame couples in our charts and found some interesting stuff. There are some exact nodal connections to vertex (square) along with other exact connections between planets and to angles and many tight connections.

I believe it's a twin flame but I need answers to back it up. Not sure if I want to disprove or validate it. Either ways I would love some help from someone more knowledgeable.

Or maybe you could point me in the direction of someone who reads TF or soulmate charts?

Sorry for hijacking thread but not sure how else to get in touch.

posted March 15, 2014 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Venus square Mars in a synastry between lovers is not a bad aspect, it adds lots of passion and attraction.

One aspect alone cannot make for a soulmate synastry. Check the other posts in the thread to see if you have other aspects.

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Yep have this with a soulmate and in our case it plays out as passion.

posted March 16, 2014 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

The most important thing with all of these patterns is the *exactness*. I know I've repeated it a few times - but this is really the main thing to remember.

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Considering most people can't be sure of their exact birth time isn't this level of exactness a lot to expect? Even places where hospitals (etc) do note birth times, you can't be sure they are exact. So if both people's time could be off a bit, say 1/2 hour either way, even if it is "exact" when you do the chart, it might not be exact in reality, or vice verse. No? Or am I not understand correctly, which is certainly possible.

posted March 17, 2014 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:

Considering most people can't be sure of their exact birth time isn't this level of exactness a lot to expect? Even places where hospitals (etc) do note birth times, you can't be sure they are exact. So if both people's time could be off a bit, say 1/2 hour either way, even if it is "exact" when you do the chart, it might not be exact in reality, or vice verse. No? Or am I not understand correctly, which is certainly possible.

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posted March 17, 2014 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Good point, Lucie. I kinda of agree with: "when it feels like it's in orb, it's in orb"

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That is a sure shot way to justify just basically anything.

posted March 17, 2014 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
Angle connections.
7H ruler conjunct to an angle is very powerful.( I think this can never go wrong)
Venus-Pluto is better suited than mars-Venus as a soulmate connection. IMO.

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posted March 17, 2014 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

That is a sure shot way to justify just basically anything.

If you`re unsure of your birthtime, rectify it. See which one responds to transits and progressions, and then stick with it.

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I don't know about it "justifying anything".

But saying "exact", how "exact" can we really be? is more my point. Even when birth time is recorded, it could be off.

I'd certainly give it plus or minus 1-2o, but not 6-8o. Depends a bit, no?

Then again, I'm new to this and am not sure I've had a "soul mate" connection even though I've have some very serious connections, which is why I need to ask the question.