posted March 17, 2014 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I would be interested in the reverse.

Does anyone know famous long-term couples WITHOUT Mars/Venus Moon/Sun contacts in their synastry?

Or do you have significant, long-term LOVE OF LIFE relationships with/without these aspects?

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My ex and I (+/- 15 yrs) do not have sun/moon. We have sun trine sun & moon opp moon.

We have mar trine venus & mars semi-sextile venus.

posted March 17, 2014 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

That is a sure shot way to justify just basically anything.

If you`re unsure of your birthtime, rectify it. See which one responds to transits and progressions, and then stick with it.

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Hi, Ceridwen
What I meant is that it depends a lot on the overall of the chart. When you look at the geometry of the synastry, you can see how the planets connect to each other, you can see how sometimes they tend to " reach out to each other", connecting themselves.

I'll try to explain myself better.
You have a trine of Venus and Moon in the natal, but Mars is out of orb to form a Grand Trine with this one. Someone comes along and brings Jupiter, forming a Grand Trine with the other's Moon-Venus. Jupiter is, let's say, 8 degrees form the other's Mars, thus unifying through his Jupiter, the other's Mars with Moon/Venus. The Jupiter person creates an harmonious blending of the Moon/Venus/Mars energies in the other person. In this case, even if the conjunction is wide,it is a powerful, significant one.

Another example: A's Saturn is opposed B's Karma 1 degree orb. B's Saturn is conjunct A's Karma 10 or even 11 degrees orb. By looking where they are placed, at the general karmic background of the chart, especially if you have other karmic connections or if the conjunction is near an angle etc., you will obviously consider that a conjunction and thus, a DW.

A third example: A's Mercury is exactly conjunct B's Pluto in B's stellium of Venus -Mercury-Pluto. But B's Mercury is 10 degrees from his Pluto (if, for example, the stellium is 15 degrees wide). However, it is obvious that, by the radiance of the stellium, A's Mercury is also conjunct 's B' Mercury.

You look at the patterns, that's my opinion. But of course, I might be wrong , it's just that I tend to be very interested in patterns in astrology, since my interest in it originated from sacred geometry. Patterns and repetitive themes are more important than orbs, for me.

posted March 17, 2014 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
My ex and I (+/- 15 yrs) do not have sun/moon. We have sun trine sun & moon opp moon.

We have mar trine venus & mars semi-sextile venus.

He is/was ONE love of my life. Not the only one. (I hope! )

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posted March 17, 2014 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Well, that is a powerful combo, IMO.
As you can see, Venus-Mars semisextile figures a lot in famous love stories. probably because, although antagonistic, neighbouring signs join the masculine with the feminine. So you have a DW there.
What are your Sun/Moon connections in the natal?

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posted March 18, 2014 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
IndigoDirae, very interesting. I agree with the Venus/Pluto, Mars/Pluto, Pluto being the higher octave of Mars, it makes sense. And since Pluto/Neptune (as the higher octave of Venus) would be hard to have or interpret because they are outer planets, moving slowly, the pair Venus/Pluto is a great symbol for a deep, soulful, eternal, karmic kind of love.

But you really caught my attention with the Eros/Mars and Venus/Psyche contacts, I am very interested in your theory. Why these contacts and not the classical Eros-Psyche? Do you have personal experiences with Mars/Eros, Venus/Psyche and/or some references, some articles or books about this?

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Sorry for the absence there, LeeLoo. I've been quite busy as of late over on my TF thread.

As it stands, I have personal contact with VENUS/EROS and PSYCHE/MARS. Along with AURA/ANUBIS, these are all on 18º-19º AQU, which is my SNODE (exact to near exact) and trine my SUN (19º LIB) which is conjunct PLUTO 1.25º.

So, honestly, his VENUS/EROS, PSYCHE/MARS, and AURA/ANUBIS all trine my SUN/PLUTO less than 1º orb; and they conjunct my SNODE exactly.

Staggering, I thought, but then he's apparently my Twin Flame. That may be a feature. We're always investigating further, exploring new techniques, and asking more questions.

posted March 18, 2014 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Ceridwen
What I meant is that it depends a lot on the overall of the chart. When you look at the geometry of the synastry, you can see how the planets connect to each other, you can see how sometimes they tend to " reach out to each other", connecting themselves.

I'll try to explain myself better.
You have a trine of Venus and Moon in the natal, but Mars is out of orb to form a Grand Trine with this one. Someone comes along and brings Jupiter, forming a Grand Trine with the other's Moon-Venus. Jupiter is, let's say, 8 degrees form the other's Mars, thus unifying through his Jupiter, the other's Mars with Moon/Venus. The Jupiter person creates an harmonious blending of the Moon/Venus/Mars energies in the other person. In this case, even if the conjunction is wide,it is a powerful, significant one.

Another example: A's Saturn is opposed B's Karma 1 degree orb. B's Saturn is conjunct A's Karma 10 or even 11 degrees orb. By looking where they are placed, at the general karmic background of the chart, especially if you have other karmic connections or if the conjunction is near an angle etc., you will obviously consider that a conjunction and thus, a DW.

A third example: A's Mercury is exactly conjunct B's Pluto in B's stellium of Venus -Mercury-Pluto. But B's Mercury is 10 degrees from his Pluto (if, for example, the stellium is 15 degrees wide). However, it is obvious that, by the radiance of the stellium, A's Mercury is also conjunct 's B' Mercury.

You look at the patterns, that's my opinion. But of course, I might be wrong , it's just that I tend to be very interested in patterns in astrology, since my interest in it originated from sacred geometry. Patterns and repetitive themes are more important than orbs, for me.

corrected: the choice of planet Venus to Sun for the trine

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I understand what you mean, but while I am very much emphasizing the importance of patterns, it`s a question when it gets so diluted that it will not be really felt anymore.
It is a gradual process of course, and I am by no means saying only 1 degree orb is valid. However using a 10 or 11 degree is pushing it, even in terms of pattern.

However, you will always find someone who sais they feel it, most of the time because they want to feel it.

posted March 18, 2014 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I understand what you mean, but while I am very much emphasizing the importance of patterns, it`s a question when it gets so diluted that it will not be really felt anymore.
It is a gradual process of course, and I am by no means saying only 1 degree orb is valid. However using a 10 or 11 degree is pushing it, even in terms of pattern.

However, you will always find someone who sais they feel it, most of the time because they want to feel it.

Of course that is just my very subjective opinion here.

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Incidentally, I agree that orbs can be widened in certain cases. We're learning that what COULD'VE been a tight conjunction may actually NOT be because it's contributing to a bang-on Midpoint. I've seen that frequently.

But Ceri's taught me that the wider your orbs, the more likely you are to stumble into a bevy of false-positives. These days, I keep those orbs VERY tight, and only widen in the case of certain boxes being checked in a mental checklist I've got in my head: typically involving Midpoints, declination, aspect theme across multiple zodiac systems - and so on. An exact (or near exact) composite aspect can bring us to look deeper into the synastry where 'no aspects exist', too. And I would've missed the VENUS/MARS quindecile entirely if I wasn't investigating thoroughly.

For example, he and I don't have much EROS/PSYCHE synastry, traditionally speaking. His VENUS is 6º away from trining my SUN. ( ... 6º? Seriously? Yeah, no.)

And PLUTO, 8º. The story with his MARS isn't much rosier: it's 5º from trining my PLUTO - and 7º from my SUN.

Same story with my SNODE, too. A 5º conjunction? ... Between an asteroid and a node? Meh.

I'm grateful I kept my orbs tight. It forced me to investigate further, and, wow. The Midpoints are what had it.

If I had to choose close aspects or exact Midpoints, I'd honestly go with the Midpoints now.

EROS is one thing; PSYCHE's another. Same with VENUS, and MARS.

But you have someone's luminary (or Node) hit your EROS/PSYCHE and VENUS/MARS? It illuminates the UNION of those energies - which is very different if they were operating separately.

posted March 18, 2014 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thanks, Ceri and ID.

Great post with the midpoints, IndigoDirae, I'll look into it more deeply, especially since the focal point of my chart is the Sun-Venus midpoint, where everything converges, a Yod and almost all aspects lead to that point one way or the other.

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posted March 19, 2014 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Re: what constitutes an exact aspect.

I understand (more or less) why having both planets on the same degree can be significant, but how does one rationalize, say, a couple with his Sun at Sag 9.01 and her Venus at Sag 9.59 having a more important or closer conjunction than another couple with his Sun at Sag 8.59 and her Venus at Sag 9.01?

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posted March 19, 2014 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
If I had to choose close aspects or exact Midpoints, I'd honestly go with the Midpoints now.

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Yes, that is true for me, too.
Actually that is my counter-check if I am not sure an aspect really counts.

Midpoints are so very significant also because they are actually not an isolated aspect, but the result of a pattern, a harmonic triangle usually.

That is what is at the bottom of most aspect figures, too.

posted March 19, 2014 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Re: what constitutes an exact aspect.

I understand (more or less) why having both planets on the same degree can be significant, but how does one rationalize, say, a couple with his Sun at Sag 9.01 and her Venus at Sag 9.59 having a more important or closer conjunction than another couple with his Sun at Sag 8.59 and her Venus at Sag 9.01?

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I don`t.
Though the coupl with planets at the exact same numerical degree will share the underlying Sabian-meaning.

However, seriously, I AM strict with orbs, but not even I would rule out a 1°30 orb for example. lol

If you have aspects on neighbouring degrees, like one planet on 9 Sag and the other ones at 8 or 10 degree of any sign, that will STIL be a very vital connection.

Even on 7 or 11 degrees, still pretty much there.

After that, well, it will get much more subtle then.

Also, with midpoing usually orbs of 1° - 2° (depending on the author, but never more than that) are being used, so you can imagine yourself how far the orbs of two aspecting planets can be to still result in a midpoint pattern.

posted March 19, 2014 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

If the midpoint pattern is not there anymore, the aspect might be still felt somewhat, but will be lacking "acuteness".

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posted March 19, 2014 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
Angle connections.
7H ruler conjunct to an angle is very powerful.( I think this can never go wrong)
Venus-Pluto is better suited than mars-Venus as a soulmate connection. IMO.

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...and we have all of these.

posted May 25, 2014 08:57 AM            

I saw LP's post with JT for affect and I almost had to go take a cold shower LOL!!!!

Cusp and I have the same aspects except my venus trines his venus/mars mdpt. Exact and his venus trines my venus/mars mdpt. By 1.5.

We have a DW opposition of mars to eachother's venus/mars mdpt. Exact and at 1 degree.

It is sooooo HOT!!!!
We have a venus/mars quincunx DW as well.....and Eros opposite Eros.

We both have a natal mars/neptune aspect (me trine, him semi-sextile) so the sexual fantasies are never-ending....sigh..mind is always in the gutter with him LOL

posted May 25, 2014 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Not the only aspect, as I understood, but as a compulsory part of an already very good soulmate synastry combo.

I think the idea behind this theory is that the meeting between Mars and Venus is a symbolic, archetypal one. So is the archetype Sun-Moon, for example.

So I guess the question could be extended:

Can we have a soulmate synastry without this Mars/Venus contact?

Can we have a soulmate synastry without a Sun-Moon aspect?

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posted May 25, 2014 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

1) Yes; not a romantic one though, in my case.
2) Gawd no.

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