posted March 24, 2014 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
ooooomg! woooo... You're all moving just sooooo fast!

I'm just stopping by for brief fly-by and simple hello. You're all huge relationship-geniuses to me!

Special Hello (once again) to "The Beautiful IndigoDirae"

Hugs to all!!!

So, Ceri...! You edited-in a request: an antidote to your song "A Chorus Line - Let me Dance For You"...? Howz about romantic nostalgic version to Dance with Your Dreams....

Lesley Ann Warren and Stuart Damon in "Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella" 1965

(music) "Ten Minutes Ago" (Cinderella, 1965) [4:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEW9szLLIuc

(music) "Do I Love You Because Your Beautiful" (Cinderella, 1965) [4:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVx9ENFFoas

(music) "The Search" (Cinderella, 1965) [6:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEMN6vbSeBY

Jupiter was traveling through zodiac CANCER when this 1965 version was being aired by television throughout later 1960s and beyond.

Jupiter is now in CANCER once more.... Dream your dreams, but "remembering" there's a reality too-- Saturn in Scorpio.

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posted March 24, 2014 08:48 PM            

What " type" of relationship would you call it, if the two people weren't able to severe their ties to one another, even though both know it's what's best. No matter what they always end up some how back to each other.

posted March 24, 2014 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Not dumb in the least, Gemmy.

It's less soul-connexion specific as it is heavily karmic. That can range from Soulmates of varying kinds to Karmic Partners (resolving a specific or special karma) to certain Twin Flames.

It simply depends upon an holistic analysis and what results.

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How would I do a holistic analysis?

posted March 24, 2014 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I have a quick question for yo ladies

What " type" of relationship would you call it, if the two people weren't able to severe their ties to one another, even though both know it's what's best. No matter what they always end up some how back to each other.

What this be karmic, or what would you call it?

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For what purpose are they still being drawn back? For what reason are they unable to sever ties?

posted March 24, 2014 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
For what purpose are they still being drawn back? For what reason are they unable to sever ties?

This happens quite frequently with Soulmates who haven't completed what they set out to do, naturally.

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posted March 25, 2014 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
How would I do a holistic analysis?

Our synastry is on my thread titled "what's wrong with him?".On the second page,if you would like to take a quick look.He has the same sun/pluto/lilith conjunction as you.Maybe you could give me some insight on that.

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Holistic meaning taking everything into account. In-depth study.

I can tell you from my close experience with a man who's MOON-BML, and my own personality, that BML strong (and PLUTO) will bring about an extremely perceptive, but distantly powerful personality. There's a great passion there, but BML tends to keep at a distance. There's a guardedness. We're very independent and rather domineering for this reason.

posted March 25, 2014 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:

For the most part, talking and communicating with each other..
But it's more like, it's impossible to not keep talking in some shape or form.
I think deep down, it's more about keeping the connection with each other.
Kinda needing to speak to one another.

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Do you provide mental direction and stimulation to each other? Guidance?

Those who find themselves constantly in COMMUNICATION tend to have strong MERCURY in their synastries and composites.

posted March 25, 2014 12:39 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Holistic meaning taking everything into account. In-depth study.

I can tell you from my close experience with a man who's MOON-BML, and my own personality, that BML strong (and PLUTO) will bring about an extremely perceptive, but distantly powerful personality. There's a great passion there, but BML tends to keep at a distance. There's a guardedness. We're very independent and rather domineering for this reason.

What is it you think that's 'wrong' with him, if I may ask? Heh.

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He compulsively lies.Not small fibs,big lies.About having cancer and family members being in the hospital and dying.I don't know if it's just his nature or if it's our synastry that causes him to try to gain empathy and manipulate me.

We have strong 12th house and heavy Pluto/Neptune.All the signs that pount to those themes.Plus his sun/pluto/lilith conjunctuon,closely trines my stellium.

posted March 25, 2014 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Do you provide mental direction and stimulation to each other? Guidance?

Those who find themselves constantly in COMMUNICATION tend to have strong MERCURY in their synastries and composites.

The key then is to understand what the communication is FOR, or regarding. Is it to bring something else about? Is it secondarily important, or really, the primary feature?

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The composite chart ruler is mercury...
It's conjunct the sun, both on the SN.

In synastry his mercury is conjunct my asc..

posted March 25, 2014 03:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
He compulsively lies.Not small fibs,big lies.About having cancer and family members being in the hospital and dying.I don't know if it's just his nature or if it's our synastry that causes him to try to gain empathy and manipulate me.

We have strong 12th house and heavy Pluto/Neptune.All the signs that pount to those themes.Plus his sun/pluto/lilith conjunctuon,closely trines my stellium.

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posted March 25, 2014 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:

The composite chart ruler is mercury...
It's conjunct the sun, both on the SN.

In synastry his mercury is conjunct my asc..

I think it's more mental stimulation.

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Hm. SUN-MERC-SNODE sounds like a definite contract made regarding communication, sharing of information, ideas, and mental activity.

posted March 25, 2014 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ah. Not the SUN-BML-PLUTO that's doing that. Could be the synastry, but, frankly, innate traits are simply that. The 12H can make a total mess of relationships. Heavy PLUTO contacts demand brutal, bare emotional honesty. It can be too much for some.

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Yeah,for him.He runs instead of dealing with everything,then shows up weeks/months later like nothing.Which is odd considering his chart is way more intense than mine.You'd think he'd be comfortable with intense situations. Or maybe he just doesn't care and I'm over thinking way too much.lol

posted March 25, 2014 10:27 AM            

I suppose that might be valid for other soulmate pairings as well. Maybe exact aspects between soulmate pairings natally (like Eros trine Psyche9 will increase the possibility as well.

My parents for example, who are most definitely high level soulmates, maybe even twinflames:

My Mum has PLUTO conjunct PROSERPINA exact in her natal (orb: 0°05) on 21 Leo

Additionally she also

almost has ISIS conjunct OSIRIS (3°54)

EROS quinkunx PSYCHE exact (0°21)

The clincer I think is her natal Pluto-Proserpina conjunction though.

in her helio she also has almost ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction (3°27) with OSIRIS on the 13-14 degree Sag, the one about the pyramids and Sphinx

and also in helio Pluto trines PERSEPHONE (1°15)

I find it intriguing how she has got this widish ISIS-OSIRIS_conjunction in tropical and helio natal, and I also have an ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction in geocentric (0°43) and in heliocentric (2°32).

Mine is even tighter than hers, and is probably MY most important soulmate-marker, while for her it is the exact Pluto-PROSERPINA-conjunction.

though having said that in my natal chart Pluto is exactly quintile PROSERPINA (0°02).
This quintile is intriguing me as it is so very exact, desipite the quintile being not so popular as an aspect, it keeps cropping up lately a lot. lol

Also I find it hilarious how I apparently have inherited my mom´s "asteroid-themes".

As for my Dad, I find it impressive that he as well has a tf-marker natally

SIVA conjunct PARVATI (1°56)

additionally:

a very wide sextile between ISIS and OSIRIS that I wouldn´t even count, if not for my Mum docking onto this (orb is 3°18)

and he has Venus opposite Pluto natally (3°11) - I most probably inherited my Venus-Pluto-square from him.

So I`d say for my Mum her exact Pluto-PROSERPINA-conjunction and to a bit lesser degree the ISIS-OSIRIS_conjunction, and for my Dad his SIVA-PARVATI-conjunction are the "markers".

Incredibly they are aspecting their natal markers as well! (at least the themes)

My Dad`s Pluto conjuncts my Mum`s PROSERPINA widely (4°12), but more importantly his Pluto also trinse her PERSEPHONE reasonably closely (1°38)

Moreover his OSIRIS opposes her ISIS exact (0°27)

my Mum doesn`t aspect his SIVA and PARVATI with either her KAALI or SIVA or PARVATI though.
But maybe the two pairings they do have are enough.

posted March 25, 2014 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by FruityLlama:
Could I just ask, could there be indications in the natal chart of encountering a twin flame or guardian soul in this life? If so, what would the indications?

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Great question.
And great info Ceridwen as I've been wondering about a person's natal chart.

The person I consider a soulmate (at very least) has indications in his natal chart. He has a close conjunction of Isis and Osiris, Tristan and Isolde exact opposite on Asc and DC, Zeus and Hera close enough in 1st house (if I remember last part correctly).

I will be double checking these and my own various charts later

posted March 25, 2014 10:52 AM            

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Isis-Osiris would be a clue yes.

Tristan-Isolda is nothing I would rejoice about. I have the exact square, Isolda on IC.
Not a happy soulmate pairing.

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True not a happy story at all.

In our case these may be relative though.

The more I figure out these charts I'm finding a karmic theme. I think.

posted March 25, 2014 11:07 AM            

Also does Anubis play a part in your charts?

posted March 25, 2014 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:

I still don't see anything distinctive from the charts posted here to differentiate between guardian and TF.

Is it because you don't feel love between the two so that's why it's called guardian?

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Yeah, I'm hoping the discussion will bring about some markers that differentiate. I haven't looked closely at the soul-mate pairings with my "guardian soul," but as I recall Isis-Osiris and Eros-Psyche do nothing, or nearly nothing with him, whereas they have fairly tight aspects with my possible twinflame.

But I certainly feel deep love with my "guardian soul; I just have zero interest in anything romantic or sexual with him.

posted March 25, 2014 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Yeah, I'm hoping the discussion will bring about some markers that differentiate. I haven't looked closely at the soul-mate pairings with my "guardian soul," but as I recall Isis-Osiris and Eros-Psyche do nothing, or nearly nothing with him, whereas they have fairly tight aspects with my possible twinflame.

But I certainly feel deep love with my "guardian soul; I just have zero interest in anything romantic or sexual with him.

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Yes, whether there's sexual or romantic involvement, or even attraction, varies greatly upon history, karma, circumstances, soul purposes - and so on.

I have quite a bit of 'sexual' or 'romantic karma' with a few of mine. But then my Tropical composite with my Twin Flame ( ... so weird to type that) is essentially all Scorpio.

posted March 25, 2014 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
I still don't see anything distinctive from the charts posted here to differentiate between guardian and TF.
Is it because you don't feel love between the two so that's why it's called guardian?

Also does Anubis play a part in your charts?

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posted March 25, 2014 11:16 PM            

Which of you is Red and Blue?

posted March 25, 2014 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by FruityLlama:
Could I just ask, could there be indications in the natal chart of encountering a twin flame or guardian soul in this life? If so, what would the indications?

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In short, yes.

As Ceri stated, we've certainly noticed a theme of soulmate pairings being prominent in the more significant soul connexions.

OSIRIS and ISIS tend to predominate in Twin Flame astrology. EROS and PSYCHE can appear thematic as well, but is seen too often in Soulmate synastries and composite to limit it to Twin Flames.

We've also noticed KAALI and RUDRA strong.

Something that seems to be constant across Twin Flame (and those suspected to be) composites is ALMA conjunct JUNO. It's logical why this would be, but we have nothing beyond sheer volume of data to 'prove' this marker.

I've noticed for these to be present, a few things must be there in the natal, yes.

iQ has suggested that and ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction is a strong indicator that the individual will 'find' their Twin Flame.

I'd like to add that it doesn't necessarily have to be a conjunction (3º orb or less). My Twin Flame and I both have 8º between our ISIS and OSIRIS. Curiously, they're of the opposite phase, resulting in a 1º ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction in our Geo-Tropical composite.

As you'd expect, ALMA-JUNO natally seems to be indicative of the native having significant Soulmate relationships; there can even be indication (with further analysis and certain other features) that one of these will be with their Twin Flame.

But, yes. More so than 'check-box' style aspects in a natal, we tend to find mirroring between the natals, and something representing the Twin Flame relationship in a natal chart.

Unsurprisingly, as Guardian Soulmates are part of the Twin Flame journey, an indication that one IS a Twin Flame would likely be requisite for Guardian Soulmate relationships.