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Topic: Are some relationships doomed to fail based on astrology?
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twinflame1914
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posted March 29, 2014 09:32 PM
  
I have met a great guy, things are going really well, we have amazing communication and seem to be on the same page. However both Vedic and Western astrology say that we are a terrible match and that our relationship will be a rocky one. Even though it's still in the early stages I just can't see how these difficult astrological aspects will play out. I guess I am wondering how much stock people place on astrology in relationships....has anyone not pursued a relationship based on astrology....and can a relationship with difficult aspects ever work? Thanks IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted March 29, 2014 09:48 PM
Absolutley not. Its just a little confirmation and a fun guide, but not anything like religion. EDIT - I feel like the more you dive into the astrology and synastry of the relationship, you expose the bad and let it ruin the relationship. Instead of working on it without ever knowing it was there in the first place. IP: Logged |
sag_stellium
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posted March 29, 2014 11:31 PM
I've had some ugly/ difficult synastry in every single one of my longterm relationships. I know what each aspect implies but sometimes my heart wants to experience the depth and frustration of those aspects, even if I know logically it could be a mess. It's not a conscious thought. I just know I want to experience everything (good and bad) with the person I'm attracted to and that it has to play out before I can decide whether it's someone I can spend my life with. Some of those "negative" aspects have had amazing results and I'm a different person because of them. But I love complex. Many married couples have had difficult aspects. It is their willingness to make it work and desire to be with each other that determined their level of relationship success. Make the decisions based on what's right for you. Synastry is just a guide. IP: Logged |
manderin
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posted March 29, 2014 11:54 PM
The short answer to your question is: Yes.However I've seen too many people say that their synastry is "horrible" and then after looking at the chart it was not horrible at all and vice versa. So it really depends on how you're interpreting the chart. As for Vedic... I love vedic astrology for natal chart but using it for relationships is tricky. Understand that vedic astrology is about 6,000 years old so a lot of it's relationship interpretations are based on the man being in control of the relationship and the woman being able to obey him. If your charts say that it's the female who is aggressive and the male who obeys Vedic astrology will often call it a bad match. So keep that in mind. IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon
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posted March 29, 2014 11:58 PM
You never know how aspects will play out. Just because some people have a bad experience with an aspect doesn't mean it will be the same for you. The whole chart must be looked at. Astrology is very complicated and we don't know everything. Look at it has a guide to make you aware but follow your heart.💘IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted March 30, 2014 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
You never know how aspects will play out. Just because some people have a bad experience with an aspect doesn't mean it will be the same for you. The whole chart must be looked at. Astrology is very complicated and we don't know everything. Look at it has a guide to make you aware but follow your heart.💘
Exactly.
We have Mars square Pluto which supposed to be "Oooooooo... Scary"
But with us... Nadda  IP: Logged |
Celestica
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posted March 30, 2014 12:24 AM
I think there are certain types of relationships that will never play out between people, but even charts with "bad" synastry can have positive outcomes, you'll just need to readjust and figure out what kind of relationship works best. Also I'm using relationship here to mean just two people interacting, not strictly romantic. Some people make a great business team but not a good romantic pairing and vice versa, some are good at both.IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon
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posted March 30, 2014 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Exactly.
We have Mars square Pluto which supposed to be "Oooooooo... Scary"
But with us... Nadda
Yes, I like someone who's Pluto squares my Mars. I was just reading what a bad placement this is and how it leads to abuse. IDK, there are lots of good aspects and some bad. I'll take a chance and find out on my own. I had a long term relationship with Dejanira conjunct Mars exact and it had no effect. IP: Logged |
yellowelevator
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posted March 30, 2014 02:17 AM
No synastry/composite/etc. chart is the same, nor will any one be completely flawless, with 100% wonderful aspects. There will usually be good, and there will usually be 'bad' aspects. I think at times it is best not to dwell too much on either, especially more negative aspects. But I also believe that shedding light on them will in turn possibly open up new doors to any relationship, and make you see them in a different light, or in a more clearer vision. Basically, I'd say take what you consider to be the bad with the good, and the good with the bad, and overall cherish the relationship for what it brings to both parties. I definitely think that even synastry charts that seem to have more negative aspects than positive ones can still survive, because deep down it is the mere strength that each individual has within themselves to make that relationship the best that it can be, if they truly love and admire each other for who they are. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted March 30, 2014 02:44 AM
Two relationships were not favorable, but I tried to work around it. In one case it failed (though lasted years longer than the astrologer who helped us with that said it probably would, yet in retrospect I wished we'd taken her advice and kept our relationship a fling, we might still be friends today if we had), but so far the other is working great. I do think age & maturity (as in impulse control) do make a difference, or at least was a contributing factor to why one didn't ultimately work out while the other has. IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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posted March 30, 2014 07:51 AM
Definitely yes. Look at how many relationships who fail daily. It is not that easy to find someone you fit perfectly with, and even if you do, you will probably face crisis too, and has to work through them. But I think there is some deal-breakers in synastry/composite, and if you have too many of those, it ain't gonna work, that is fore sure. A few can be very challenging, but you might be able to work them out, but if you got too many I wouldn't believe in it. Especially not if you don't got any of the good ones either. IP: Logged |
twinflame1914
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posted March 30, 2014 08:06 AM
Which are some deal breakers?IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted March 30, 2014 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Exactly.
We have Mars square Pluto which supposed to be "Oooooooo... Scary"
But with us... Nadda
Mars square Pluto can mean serious passion and great sex! Rip your clothes off sex..so that one positive manifestation 😁 IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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posted March 30, 2014 12:12 PM
It's hard to say which aspect is THE deal-breaker, but generally I think heavy aspected mars, saturn and uranus with the personal planets (sun, moon, venus)
But maybe especially mars and uranus, since saturn is also making some glue… mars creates a lot of arguments and "war", and uranus makes a lot of rebelliousness and unpredictability which for some can mean a deal breaker… pluto creates power struggles, and saturn can make things cold and indifferent… but it's individual what is a deal breaker to you, and I think the natal chart is also extremely important…For an example I had the greatest synastry with a guy, and our only deal-breaker was sun square pluto, but that was enough to break our relationship because he was the very jealous and paranoid type, and no matter what I did it was wrong… The guy I'm with now we have a lot of deal-breakers such as venus square saturn, sun square saturn and venus square uranus, but at least we don't got heavy aspected mars or pluto, so there is no fights between us or jealousy, but on the other hand there is sometimes a lot of coldness and uncertainty… it's hard to tell what works out for people, but so far it seems that we are doing fine despite our deal-breakers IP: Logged |
rorrr
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posted March 30, 2014 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by sag_stellium:
I've had some ugly/ difficult synastry in every single one of my longterm relationships. I know what each aspect implies but sometimes my heart wants to experience the depth and frustration of those aspects, even if I know logically it could be a mess. It's not a conscious thought. I just know I want to experience everything (good and bad) with the person I'm attracted to and that it has to play out before I can decide whether it's someone I can spend my life with.
Before my last relationship ended, I would have said everything everyone is saying here: Our charts are just a guide, astrology does not undermine your free will and self-determination because you can still make every situation what you choose it to be. However, I just got out of relationship which had a tight Mercury-Saturn square Mars aspect. I loved him, and we dated for a year. For the first 6 or 7 months I questioned our entire synastry... "How can this be possible? We never fight. He wouldn't hurt a fly." But the Mars square Saturn triggered by my Mercury really began to rear its head and soon all we did was argue until it became devastatingly destructive. Something similar happened with a Venus square Pluto relationship - power games, manipulation, control issues. I would say if possible to "keep things light," do so. Use astrology is a guide and a precaution so that if things become ugly or scary, you know why and can leave. IP: Logged |
MorpHnStorM
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posted March 30, 2014 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Which are some deal breakers?
For me, it's Mars square Pluto. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted March 30, 2014 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
I have met a great guy, things are going really well, we have amazing communication and seem to be on the same page. However both Vedic and Western astrology say that we are a terrible match and that our relationship will be a rocky one. Even though it's still in the early stages I just can't see how these difficult astrological aspects will play out. I guess I am wondering how much stock people place on astrology in relationships....has anyone not pursued a relationship based on astrology....and can a relationship with difficult aspects ever work? Thanks
IMO, what matters is to have many aspects, "good" or "bad". It's the lack of aspects that shows a bad synastry. Can you post the chart? IP: Logged |
twinflame1914
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posted March 30, 2014 06:03 PM
Composite http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astrocomposite_zpsb45711a9.png Synastry Grid http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astrologsynastry_zps29a155fe.png I had one astrologer tell me that it was a ticking time bomb....
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twinflame1914
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posted March 30, 2014 06:06 PM
Sorry I am not sure how to post the chart directly. Does this work? [IMG]http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astrocomposite_zpsb45711a 9.png[/IMG] IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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posted March 30, 2014 06:09 PM
hmm have you ever tried astro.com? I think sometimes it's better to just see a list over the aspects… but I don't see a ticking time bomb by first looking at it :SIP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted March 30, 2014 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Composite http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astrocomposite_zpsb45711a9.png[/UR L] Synastry Grid [URL=http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astrologsynastry_zps29a155fe.png]http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astrologsynastry_zps29a155fe.png I had one astrologer tell me that it was a ticking time bomb....
I need to see the synastry too, the image. The composite is not bad at all, Moon conjunct IC, Sun on the DSC, Venus conjunct Uranus squares Saturn, which combines structure with excitement, and you have a Grand Cross, a fated relationship. IP: Logged |
twinflame1914
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posted March 30, 2014 08:19 PM
Synastry - Sorry it's so small
http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astrosyn_zpsc4e9044c.png (I am inner wheel)Thank you for taking the time to look at it. I really appreciate it. I was told by one astrologer that this was a very aggressive relationship and it was a 'ticking time bomb'. Another astrologer said that this wasn't an easy relationship at all and that it would be difficult - the only way it would stand a chance is if we gave each other a lot of space (something with Aquarius energy?). And that we would never have a 'traditional' relationship I don't know much about grand crosses in composite. Fated as in "it's going to be super hard with lots of life lessons before you get your heart broken" or as in "it will be tricky but through growth and evolution you can live happily ever after"? We apparently have a lot of squares to our N Nodes which indicates skipped steps? I am rather confused right now IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted March 30, 2014 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Synastry - Sorry it's so small
http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astrosyn_zpsc4e9044c.png (I am inner wheel)Thank you for taking the time to look at it. I really appreciate it. I was told by one astrologer that this was a very aggressive relationship and it was a 'ticking time bomb'. Another astrologer said that this wasn't an easy relationship at all and that it would be difficult - the only way it would stand a chance is if we gave each other a lot of space (something with Aquarius energy?). And that we would never have a 'traditional' relationship I don't know much about grand crosses in composite. Fated as in "it's going to be super hard with lots of life lessons before you get your heart broken" or as in "it will be tricky but through growth and evolution you can live happily ever after"? We apparently have a lot of squares to our N Nodes which indicates skipped steps? I am rather confused right now
Twinflame, I'm sorry, but I really can't read that synastry, it's just too blurry. You should go to Astrodienst and make the chart there and I'll look at it for you. IMO, the synastry is the most important, then I look at the composite. Hard aspects to the Nodes are glue, they are not a bad thing. The Grand Cross speaks of an inescapable relationship, but I can't tell you more without the synastry. IP: Logged |
twinflame1914
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posted March 30, 2014 08:51 PM
http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astro_61gw_01_02_t_m282112863_zps1b4f6a22.gif Is this the right format? Thanks again IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted March 30, 2014 09:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by twinflame1914:
http://i1319.photobucket.com/albums/t676/twinflame1914/astro_61gw_01_02_t_ m282112863_zps1b4f6a22.gif Is this the right format? Thanks again
Thanks.
You don't have a bad synastry, I don't know who told you that.
Sun and Moon widely conjunct and opposite. Moon opposite Moon. His Mars conjunct your Venus/Pluto, your Mars square Pluto (this is considered a volatile aspect, but in a DW the energy is mastered in a better way) - pointing to a great sexual attraction. Mercury conjunct Venus, Mercury conjunct Neptune- good communication and understanding. Sun conjunct Sun, planets on the angles, the angles connected. Overlapping of 5th and 8th houses.Romance and sex. I don't know if it's going to be for life though, but it might as well be.
You have Sun conjunct Uranus in the 5th house, so you're prone to sudden infatuations and de-fatuations (I don't know if this word even exists, sorry :laughing . Just live the relationship as it is, stop worrying IP: Logged |
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