posted April 19, 2014 09:16 AM            

And I'm not even finished yet. Here's my last section on the EP/WP Axis.

MORE ON THE EAST POINT/WEST POINT AXIS, SYNASTRY, AND ROMANCE

Theoretically, the sign on the EP shows ideals pertaining to how we’d prefer ourselves to be, while the WP shows ideals pertaining to how we’d prefer others to behave toward us. After all, they are the Equatorial Asc and the Equatorial Dsc respectively.

That being said, I’ve noticed I’ve been drawn to those with planets on either end of this Axis. The Vertex is the same way in terms of attraction. Either end of the Axis touched by another in synastry seems to create an attractive pull.

Yeah, I strongly suspect that the EP/WP Axis, like the Vertex Axis, is an important point in the chart that can be very magnetic when people touch it.

Keep in mind, the EP shows where our personal biases are, and how others influence our self evaluation. In relationships synastry involving the East Point/West Point Axis supposedly gives the feeling that the other person is 'perfect' in some way. Or that they behave in just the 'right' way. Or that they fit how people in are ideally 'supposed' to be from our point of view. Because we see people with planets on this Axis in our natal chart as ‘perfect’ somehow, synastry with this Axis shows how others are able to influence our subjective processes of evaluation. When comparing ourselves to people who aspect our EP/WP Axis, we may adopt or disregard arbitrary biases (personal likes/dislikes) based on their input quite readily.

Synastry to the EP/WP Axis shows how others are going to resonate with our arbitrary biases. And vice versa when we aspect their EP/WP Axis. Soft aspects will feel supportive, and hard aspects will feel disruptive of personal preferences and ideals.

Positive EP/WP Axis synastry, at least, would have a positive effect on our self evaluation… Because, in theory, our personal biases of what is considered good or bad, or positive or negative… Would be supported, and re-enforced, by the people who conjoin or positively aspect the EP/WP Axis. These people would validate us in our personal beliefs about what is ‘ideal’ and what is not. Negative aspects to the EP would have an opposite effect…. The feeling of having your personal biases unappreciated or invalidated? More on this later, as squares can be complicated in Synastry.

In romantic attractions, synastry planets positively aspecting or conjoining our EP/WP Axis could very well feel like ‘Paradise’ to us (which is not the same as being perfect objectively speaking. This would be purely our own biased perception of the person). The person would naturally seem to fit in with the type of energy dynamic we like to take part in, and we’d feel we’d be able to build an ‘ideal’ relationship with such a person. We may admire and love the way they express the energy of the planet/point aspecting our EP/WP Axis, and see them as ‘Ideal’ and perfect in this way. We’d also greatly appreciate how their presence in our lives feels validating (of our personal preferences) to us, and how they make us feel safe and contented when they are around us.

Squares to the EP/WP Axis are interesting in the sense that these aspects confer both intensity and antagonism. It's often hard to judge which will take precedence in a relationship at a particular time. With the intensity option it’s possible the we might even have an exaggerated notion about a person’s supposed ‘perfection’ in a certain way which may or may not turn out to be accurate later on. Hard aspects can blow things out of proportion at times. With the antagonism option it’s possible that the person’s style may be so off-putting to us that we can barely stand to be around them.

Another possibility is that if a person has a natal square to their EP/WP Axis their ideals on what constitutes ’perfection’ and 'paradise' might be skewed/influenced by this. If they have, Mars, for example square this Axis in their natal chart, they might actually prefer directness, aggression, and forcefulness being openly expressed in their relationship dynamics. And they may see it as ’ideal’ in a way for things to play out like that. On the other hand, they may also have some internal conflict about how much of aggression they really want to deal with, and if the ’comfort zone’ they have regarding these things is really a healthy one (With squares inner conflict is often just part of the package). There might be an attraction to the intensity that the square energy brings with it.

In cases where there is a natal square to the EP/WP Axis, squares also occurring in synastry to this Axis are likely to be better tolerated. This is because, in a way, the feeling of being pushed be the square energy has became part of the person’s inner notions of ’paradise’. Intensity (and sometimes antagonism) relating to the theme of the squaring planet are incorporated into such a person’s notions on how things are ‘supposed’ to play out in relationships. These people have a taste for such scenarios, and are actually able to take comfort in them.

Going back to a comparison with the Vertex Axis… In romantic synastry, the Vertex Axis seems to be about the story of how life is totally transformed, and changed forever, when we fall in love and decide to join our life with another person. The focus is how we change externally and internally in response to meeting someone who rocks our world.

The EP/WP Axis in romantic synastry is less about change and more about satisfaction and stability. Here we build a cozy little nest with somebody, and develop our own comfort zone with them. This comfort zone is like the piece of ‘paradise’ in our relationship that we treasure. And we’re quite happy with the way things are thank you very much!

It’s almost like the Vertex Axis describes the fateful circumstances that compel us to unite with somebody, while the EP/WP Axis describes the joyful contentment that makes us want to stay. As if in romantic terms, the Vertex Axis is symbolic of how a couple got together (the intersection of fate), while the EP/WP Axis is symbolic of a ’happily ever after’ (personal paradise).

Having said that, I feel I ought to put some type of disclaimer on what I’ve written above. The EP/WP Axis is just one factor in synastry, and by itself doesn’t guarantee anything. Positive aspects to it can feel awfully nice, but if the rest of the synastry is crap the relationship will probably not be a healthy one. On the other hand, negative aspects to this Axis don’t mean the relationship will be a failure either. It just means that their will be some things about that person which don’t feel ’ideal’ for us. Though, sometimes we care so much about someone we don’t care if they are ’ideal’ or not.

The EP/WP Axis is an interesting factor to take into account in both natal and synastry analysis. And I’ve loved learning about it, and applying what I’ve leant so far.

posted April 19, 2014 09:45 AM            

Assuming I figured it correctly from Ceri's instructions.

posted April 19, 2014 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I was just thinking the same thing.

Assuming I figured it correctly from Ceri's instructions.

Of course, it's an Intercepted point, so maybe it's blocked energy.

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posted April 19, 2014 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I dont have anything in my chart to activate it either.

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That might be - at least partly - the reason.

my Venus-Pluto-square falls onto the EP-MC-square.

my Saturn is (widely) conjunct my Vertex-axis, but Vertex is also exactly on my Sun/Moon-mp-axis.

Still usually there is not a direct activation, unless also conjunct Saturn. However I noticed the square happening often. As well as the 8th harmonic aspects (semisquare, sesisquare).

I think at least in my chart the axis is not active on its own, but actually pushes planetary aspects into the foreground, and the Vertex-EP activation gets coloured by the planets associated with them. same is true for my ASC and MC, too, btw and the nodal axis. Rather neutral on its own, but pulling out aspected planets into the spotlight, giving them centre stage.

In the case of my Vertex-axis it is part of a Thor`s Hammer configuration, and actually my Vertex is semisquare my DESC and sesisquare my Mars, which could be the reason that it responds to the 8th harmonic aspects rather strongly (because at the same time these would be strongly aspecting Mars-ASC simultaneously).

And with the EP as I said, the Venus-Pluto-square gives it texture and colour, indicating how my comfort zone is like specifically.
Now it seems weird to talk about comfort zone connected with a venus-Pluto-squrae, but oddly enough my occasional kathartic emotional experiences FEEL comforting to me. lol

Maybe for someone without planets associated with these angles natally, a progressed planet will be needed to wake them up and activate them, and maybe only for so long as the progressed planet is touching the angle.

posted April 19, 2014 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Mine is intercepted too. So...no activation of interception, no "paradise"

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I really can`t relate to that interpretation of interception at all. I know it is one that everyone seems to agree on, but I just don`t experience it like this.

posted April 19, 2014 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Mine is intercepted too. So...no activation of interception, no "paradise"

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Inner Paradise.

Paradise that is channeled through the rulers on the Signs.

For me, that means Music and Composition, Poetry, Singing.

posted April 19, 2014 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Yes Ceri,
i think that is the reason - since i have nothing in mid Pisces Virgo, i dont attract or feel attracted to ppl with planets at that degrees because they dont interact with my natal planets. I have early and late degree Pisces Virgo and most ppl in my life activate those degrees and i can relate to them immensely. Which comes to say that the Vertex and the EP axis is less strong than planets as attraction factor. Those axises serve a complimentary role.

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I start thinking -and that probably will not be a popular thing - that the axises (including the main ones), mainly serve as "spotlight-giver". They are ESSENTIAL in bringing light to certain planets, and if they connect to a planetary aspect, that one might be like KABOOM, suddenly it ignites (against the backdrop of the angle`s meaning and the specific aspect of course), but I think just like the planets probably need the angles to become VERY prominent, the angles need the planets to shine.

Like, i mean, they might be huge energizers, but they need something TO energize. Do you know what I mean?

posted April 19, 2014 12:43 PM            

Sabians-

East Point:

25º Aries:

A double promise reveals its inner and outer meanings.

Fortuitous cooperation between inner and outer elements of being.

A sense of responsibility to self or to society.

West Point:

25º Libra:

The sight of an autumn leaf brings to a pilgrim the sudden revelation of the mystery of life and death.

Discovery of deeper elements of wisdom after intellectual knowledge wearies.

posted April 19, 2014 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
OMG.... I love you all. But sometimes I think "what on earth are you all going on about?" LOL... I'm trying to understand. Is that all in English? I don't speak your language!

All I know is Scorpio 27o. :/

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posted April 19, 2014 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Fret not, Earthling! All things reveal themselves when time is right

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posted April 19, 2014 03:18 PM              

Opp Pluto 23 degrees

So I want to be an angel (eros) and my partner to be the devil (pluto)

posted April 19, 2014 04:14 PM            

- opposite Venus 9 Scorpio.
- sextile North Node 9 Pisces.
- trine Neptune 8 Cap, trine Moon 10 Virgo.
- quincunx Sun/Mercury 9 Sag.
There's a Kite with EP, Neptune, Moon, Venus/WP at focal point.
I have Venus/WP conjunct Moon and Venus/WP conjunct Venus with 2 close friends and the 'heaven' feeling don't manifest at the beginning, unlike the synastry when others put their angles there. I suppose it's because the angle stimulate my two EP/WP at the same time that I can feel it most strongly.

posted April 19, 2014 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I start thinking -and that probably will not be a popular thing - that the axises (including the main ones), mainly serve as "spotlight-giver". They are ESSENTIAL in bringing light to certain planets, and if they connect to a planetary aspect, that one might be like KABOOM, suddenly it ignites (against the backdrop of the angle`s meaning and the specific aspect of course), but I think just like the planets probably need the angles to become VERY prominent, the angles need the planets to shine.

Like, i mean, they might be huge energizers, but they need something TO energize. Do you know what I mean?

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I know, right, they energize if there is something to ignite them.
It appears, however, at least based on my experience, that on their own they have no attraction power whatsoever. We are not seeking people with planets or angles on our Vertex or EP degree.
Seems like Vertex or EP have no dough, no flavour, they don't contribute a dime. It's just an ignition button which flairs up and catapults the planet that falls on them. And just as with any flame, it soon dies off. It's awesome while the flight lasts, though.

posted April 19, 2014 05:54 PM            

Just a little while ago I sat down in front of my Computer with a hot drink, and just found myself smiling contentedly, satisfied with how my day was going. I happened to check where the planets were at that time, and saw that the Moon was conjunct my WP. And I thought 'EUREKA! No wonder I’m in such a mood, to bad this transit can’t go on all day‘.

Also, DON’T DISCOUNT TRINES AND SEXTILES. I’ve also noticed when the Moon is in Libra, Aquarius, Aries, and Leo, making soft aspects to this to this Axis, I feel a similar contented, ‘life is pretty good’ type feeling. Again it’s not the sort of thing that makes us question why we’re feeling this way. Usually people just go with it. It’s only when we have a dramatic or difficult response to something that we tend to start wondering what’s happening. I've noticed the vibe that comes from the EP/WP Axis because I knew about it and was deliberately curious on how it functions in terms of the ‘perfection, idealism, and paradise’ theme.

The Vertex Axis in my chart, on the other hand, stand out to me and makes me question the reasons behind certain things resonating with me the way that they do. I feel my Vertex Axis very keenly. In my chart my Vertex is opposite my Uranus by less then a degree.