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Topic: North Node Conjunct South Node Synastry
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KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 44 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 23, 2014 09:18 AM
Anyone have any experience with this? I have this aspect with someone I am interested in and can find very little information. Here's what I have: In her book the Lunar Nodes iscover Your Souls Karmic Mission Celeste Teal says, "An attracting combination. The two have known each other before and will likely meet again. There is often mutual sympathy, appreciation, participation, and response to the other in their basic efforts toward advancement and meeting goals." Ruth Aharoni in her book Karmic Astrology past Lives, Present Loves points out that Edgar Cayce had this placement with his long time secretary and alleged "twin flame" Gladys Davis. She says, "Other significant conjunctions between the charts includes close conjunctions between Cayce's Dragons Head and Davis's Dragons Tail, and between Davis's Dragons Head and Cayce's Dragons Tail. These conjunctions enable both souls to reap the benefits of the concentrated energy of the encounters between Heads and Tails. Such an encounter reinforces the ability of each partner to learn karmic lessons in the most fruitful and productive way, and to invest effectively in a shared karmic goal for which they have reached in this world. Conjunctions between Heads and tails in chart comparisons show that both partners knew one another in a former incarnation, and will continue their acquaintance in this incarnation, yet they will not be able to consummate their relationship due to karmic circumstances." Edgar Cayce's North Node is at 9 54' Pisces, Davis North Node is at 10 55' Virgo. I've seen references on the internet that this is a twin flame aspect, probably because these two shared this aspect. My North Node is at 3 Pisces and his is at 1 Virgo. His South Node is sandwiched between my NN and my Vertex at 29 Aquarius. We both have several planets in Virgo but no other tight conjunctions to the Nodes. Our connection is a long story but I know we are not twin flames but soul mates who have had many previous lives together. I guess I am trying to figure out if we are meant to be together in this life. There also seems to be a theory on the internet that this placement can't work because the two are always pulling each other backwards. Does any one have any experience or insight into this placement? Do you think that he would feel the same level of attraction that I feel? Thanks!
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lvASTRO Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2014 09:35 AM
I have this with my current flame. The orb is 0.15' my NN pisces to his SN pisces. Conjunct.I haven't read much on it either, but our vertexes are a degree apart at my Taurus, him Virgo. It feels intense and like we are fated. I feel like we have lessons to teach each other, for as long as we are together. Already he's loosened me up, and I've apparently made him more accountable, he's told me. IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 44 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 23, 2014 03:19 PM
Thanks IvASTRO. That is a tight conjunction. Yeah, I agree with the word 'intense' although we have so many intense aspects it hard to tell what is responsible for it. It's interesting that you also have this on the Pisces/Virgo axis. That fits well with your comment about him loosening you up and you making him more accountable. I can see that as a possibility in my case too. I know I am way to Virgo for my own good! Basically, through your SN attributes you lead the other towards their NN.IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 7193 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2014 04:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by lvASTRO: I have this with my current flame. The orb is 0.15' my NN pisces to his SN pisces. Conjunct.I haven't read much on it either, but our vertexes are a degree apart at my Taurus, him Virgo. It feels intense and like we are fated. I feel like we have lessons to teach each other, for as long as we are together. Already he's loosened me up, and I've apparently made him more accountable, he's told me.
Is the Vertex Axis Conjunct the Nodes in Virgo? IP: Logged |
lvASTRO Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2014 04:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: Is the Vertex Axis Conjunct the Nodes in Virgo?
Yes, the vertex axis is at 22.13' Virgo (Him), 21.24' Taurus (Me), with both of our Nodes at approx. 23 (15' apart). Me NN/SN Pisces-Virgo, and himNN/SN Virgo-Pisces. quote: Originally posted by KarmicMoon: Thanks IvASTRO. That is a tight conjunction. Yeah, I agree with the word 'intense' although we have so many intense aspects it hard to tell what is responsible for it. It's interesting that you also have this on the Pisces/Virgo axis. That fits well with your comment about him loosening you up and you making him more accountable. I can see that as a possibility in my case too. I know I am way to Virgo for my own good! Basically, through your SN attributes you lead the other towards their NN.
Yeah, we have other intense aspects, like sun-pluto, venus-pluto, asc-sun, pluto-asc, double moon-mars, lilith-moon, moon-juno...tons of it. I'm super Virgo, too. I'm waaaay too uptight and controlling. When I'm around him, he almost reminds me it's okay to have fun and 'let my hair down,' (His exact words). Lol. He sometimes shies away from responsibility, but a few words of encouragement and he will finish a work project, or muster the energy to go to the gym (because I basically tell him, 'Do it,' or 'Go!' Then I praise him). I love the dynamic. I'd love to hear more about your situation, being that it's on the same axis. How'd you meet? Circumstances, etc? If you don't mind.
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Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 7193 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2014 04:41 PM
That's really cool to have all three entwined like that.IP: Logged |
lvASTRO Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2014 04:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: That's really cool to have all three entwined like that.
I think so, too, but I don't know the major significance of it, if any, any than a karmic pull. Everything I've found is so vague.
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Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 7193 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2014 05:08 PM
Well, everyone I've met with Nodes entwined has been familiar to me, I always think of two Dragons entwined when I picture it in my mind.The one guy I can think of who I had that with, he once touched my hand and shot a spark. I would think of this as a sort of Vertex thing, but as I have my Uranus there too, it is probably that. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 7193 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2014 05:09 PM
Actually, now that I think of it, he even gave me a cloth for my Tarot Cards, and guess what it has on it?Yep, a Dragon! IP: Logged |
lvASTRO Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2014 10:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: Actually, now that I think of it, he even gave me a cloth for my Tarot Cards, and guess what it has on it?Yep, a Dragon!
That's awesome! Can't wait to see how it continues to play out.
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magicspells Knowflake Posts: 220 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 23, 2014 11:18 PM
I have this but it's a 12 degree orb... Too wide.. Would the fact that it's only conjunct by sign have any value?IP: Logged |
lvASTRO Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 24, 2014 01:08 AM
I think you'd resonate, but I've read the true significance is through conjunction/opposition at 2 degrees or less.IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 44 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 24, 2014 08:15 AM
I wanted to add what Celeste Teal wrote about South Node-Vertex conjunction in her book the Lunar Nodes."Quite a destined association and karmic interaction in which each person needs the other in order to fulfill the destiny. Each acts as a complement to the other, providing an element needed for the other to attain the individuality or accomplish a feat. The houses holding the Vertex and the South Node signify the energy flow of the association. The Vertex/SN associations have a long history and a long future as there are many continuations." IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 44 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 24, 2014 08:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: Well, everyone I've met with Nodes entwined has been familiar to me, I always think of two Dragons entwined when I picture it in my mind.The one guy I can think of who I had that with, he once touched my hand and shot a spark. I would think of this as a sort of Vertex thing, but as I have my Uranus there too, it is probably that.
Was it a long association? Did you feel like you had something you needed to give each other? I like your image of an entwined dragon!
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Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 7193 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 24, 2014 08:56 AM
Yes, he grew up with my younger brother, Blood Brothers, I suppose.So yes, the association was a very lasting one. We've always been close. IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 44 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 24, 2014 09:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by lvASTRO: Yeah, we have other intense aspects, like sun-pluto, venus-pluto, asc-sun, pluto-asc, double moon-mars, lilith-moon, moon-juno...tons of it. I'm super Virgo, too. I'm waaaay too uptight and controlling. When I'm around him, he almost reminds me it's okay to have fun and 'let my hair down,' (His exact words). Lol. He sometimes shies away from responsibility, but a few words of encouragement and he will finish a work project, or muster the energy to go to the gym (because I basically tell him, 'Do it,' or 'Go!' Then I praise him). I love the dynamic. I'd love to hear more about your situation, being that it's on the same axis. How'd you meet? Circumstances, etc? If you don't mind.
Well, I mentioned before that it is complicated and a little crazy sounding. Ok, a lot crazy sounding. There is no way I can keep this short, lol! I met this guy almost two years ago. I was instantly attracted (this is an understatement, lol) to him but he was married and I was attached too. I would see him frequently but we were never alone and so I never had the opportunity to talk to him, I did feel like he might have been interested in me too if our situation was different. Shortly after meeting him I began to have flashbacks of several past lives together in which we were very happy and in love. Then about a year ago he suddenly moved away. Since then i have been searching for meaning to this situation, through astrology, psychics and most recently a life between lives regression with a hypno-therapists. Astrologically, there are many 'intense aspects' like you, Venus/Pluto, Moon/Mars, Mars and BML/Asc, Uranus/Venus, Uranus/Mars, Pluto/Saturn, Moon/Chiron besides this Nodal/Vertex combo. I do not know his birthtime so I don't have his angles or vertex. Transits and progressions at the time that we met were really wacky, activating both our charts including the Nodes. I've had a reading by a very well know astrologer that agreed this is a past life partner and two psychics too that said we have had many past lives together. Not one day has gone by that i have not thought about this man and regretted not doing more. It came to my attention recently that he is no longer married and I am free too but he still lives a few hours away. I have been trying to decide whether to contact him. I recently had a past life regression in which I discovered he is in my soul group and we often incarnate together. Apparently, this is a test for me to see if I will step out of my comfort zone and contact him not knowing if he will reject me or not because I have been too timid in my past lives. It probably doesn't seem that difficult of a challenge but with my chart it is pretty hard to do! I am trying to build up the courage. We have some natal aspects that concern me too, like lots of Uranus. It's funny, I haven't looked at these interpretations in a while but they seem to fit. It makes me wonder if I am to somehow play a role in his life? I'd love to hear more about your experience too IvAstro. Is the age difference an issue? What are your signs? House placements? My North Node/Vertex is in the 6th house.
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lvASTRO Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 24, 2014 10:43 PM
I think if he left such an impression on you, there must be a reciprocation. It sounds like you feel it to your core. I think your North Node is aching for you to act, urging you on. I say just kamikaze it and go for it--you have nothing to lose! Seriously. I bet he was imprinted in some fashion by you, as well.My guy and I do have a ten year age difference, but I feel like I understand him more than anyone my own age. We are in different life stages (he's a lawyer, I'm a bartender working on getting my master's in teaching, soon)... But we just get each other. He acts young and vibrant and full of life, and we often joke that I'm the fun-loving 'curmudgeon' that grounds him, haha. (This is probably because my SN is in Virgo, and his is in Pisces, so he definitely knows how to be carefree/fun.) My Nodes are in 6/12 (Pisces/Virgo N-S); his are in 1/7 (Virgo-Pisces N-S). My Vertex is in the 8th (Taurus) conjunct his Vertex in the 7th (Virgo as well, conjunct my SN). My Vertex falls in his 3rd, his in my 12th. I don't remember if I mentioned, but we met through mutual friends, and he lives a few hours away. We make a concerted effort to visit the other at least twice a month. We talk everyday. It's hard and sometimes annoying, but we have a Saturn/Chiron, which makes it a bit painful... It's taking a long time to solidify things. What's interesting is this: I also saw a psychic who said that a man was inching into my life and it is with him I was to spend my life with--he would be Scorpionic with other Scorpio placements, "Most likely a Scorpio Sun... he would come into my life with nothing but good intentions." I met him twenty days before and he only became more and more important to me. We supposedly were unable to be together in a past life. His placements: Sun Scorpio Moon Capricorn Asc Pisces Merc Sag Venus Scorpio Mars Sag Jupiter Leo Saturn Virgo Uranus Scorpio Neptune Sag Pluto Libra Chiron Taurus Juno Aqua Midpoint Capricorn Me: Sun Pisces Moon Leo Asc Libra Merc Aqua Venus Aries Mars Capricorn Jupiter Leo Saturn-Neptune Capricorn Pluto Scorpio Chiron Gem Juno Aries Midpoint Scorpio Do you have a synastry chart? IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx Moderator Posts: 7193 From: Mountain Gate Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 24, 2014 10:58 PM
Hmm, you know, I have a Celeste Teal book, and I haven't read it since I started studying Vertex.It just might behoove me to look at that. Thanks! IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 44 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 25, 2014 09:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ellynlvx: Hmm, you know, I have a Celeste Teal book, and I haven't read it since I started studying Vertex.It just might behoove me to look at that. Thanks!
It's a great book. The most comprehensive one on the Nodes I have found. There is a complete chapter on the Nodes and Vertex. So was relationship romantic?
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KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 44 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 25, 2014 09:58 AM
Here's the synastry...I don't have correct birth time so angles aren't correct. I am the inside.[IMG]http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u435/KarmicMoon13/63e4b 550-4611-43bb-a78b-38226231e689_zps5bf05122.gif[/IMG] IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon Knowflake Posts: 44 From: Moon, Milky Way Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 25, 2014 02:15 PM
It looks like you two are very compatible even without seeing the degrees. I'd love to see your chart if you have one. Did you see my comment above about the vertex/SN conjunctions? I'm sure you have had more than one previous life together. I'm kind of surprised to hear you say he is the more easy going one. I think our Nodes play a bigger role in our life than we think. Even without being in a relationship this guy has pushed me towards my North Node, in that I've gone through a spiritual awakening since meeting him. I've shunned organized religion and now do astrology and meditate everyday.This has really effected me to my core. The psychic told me that my spirit guide said to wait till May to contact him because I would be going through a lot of changes in April. The eclipse and Grand Cross have definitely effected me. The Cross is really making me feel an urgency to contact him and I almost did it the other day, but I feel I need to go through this next eclipse first. I made an appointment yesterday to have another regression and that just happens to be on Tuesday, too. This Pluto/Uranus square is one of the transits that brought us together I believe. Also Saturn/Nodes in Scorpio and Neptune in Pisces. Just curious, did you meet in 2012 too? Were any of those transits a factor? Although Neptune as yet to hit that degree of Pisces. When I look at the situation through my Pisces side it feels like everything will work out but when I look through my Virgo side it feels like craziness. The last week the Pisces side is definitely winning. It gave me hope when you said you lived a few hours apart. It sounds like you have a good relationship and I am sure you will work it out. You have your Sun in Pisces too which helps. So your North Node is in Pisces in the 6th and South Node is in Virgo in the 12th too? I always have trouble sorting it out because the SN is in Virgo but in Pisces house and vice versa and how that plays out. And what that implies for past life associations. I guess it just creates more of a struggle for balance? IP: Logged | |