posted April 30, 2014 03:14 AM            

Here's an excerpt of what I've read:
"The Mutable Cross means we are wholly personality-driven, with no experience of our Soul.

The Fixed Cross means we are awakening, and although we are still largely personality-driven, we’re beginning to awaken and have some Soul Awareness.

posted April 30, 2014 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I have all three... so I'm awake, asleep, and half-asleep all at once?

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posted April 30, 2014 02:52 PM            

Those four Signs will either be

Cardinal:

Aries/Libra, Capricorn/Cancer

Fixed:

Taurus/Scorpio, Leo/Aquarius

Or Mutable:

Gemini/Sagittarius, Virgo/Pisces.

posted April 30, 2014 02:56 PM            

I am aware of the groups, I meant how do I find a cross in my chart? By looking which groups do I have? And I must all four of the signs to have a cross?

posted April 30, 2014 03:00 PM            

All three crosses exist in the same time-space, but the changing from the mutable, to the fixed, to the cardinal represent the soul's journey as the veil's are lifted from the 'past'. Depending on the soul's evolution, the cross as defined by a journey is dictated prior to incarnation but the soul still needs to experience the transitions as a human being. Personality as defined by human experience is a very difficult projection to understand and therefore transitioning from the mutable to fixed doesn't usually start to occur until at least between 25 years of age. And movement from the fixed to the cardinal doesn't begin integration until at least 30-40 years though usually the older the soul is, the earlier their transition will be.

If you want to understand the crosses more and how the individual moves from personality centered to soul centered, you should read up on two things that are inter-related and though connected, are expressed in different perspectives. The first is the 'veiling' of the Moon, whereby the energy of Vulcan is required to eliminate the Moon as a personality veil, and the second is on Esoteric Astrology's three initiation's and how the vehicles of the physical, emotional and mental need not just be understood, but controlled before the soul can inherit it's true philosopher's stone.

posted April 30, 2014 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
Its actually the other way around. It makes no sense to say Aries is more soul driven than pisces....you mixed the two up but that's OK.

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Ellynivx was just outlining the Signs and their mutable/fixed/cardinal attributes, not that one was more spiritual than the other.

posted April 30, 2014 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Newrise:
Thanks Ellyn

I am aware of the groups, I meant how do I find a cross in my chart? By looking which groups do I have? And I must all four of the signs to have a cross?

I may have both a cardinal and mutable cross

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By the Classic Planets, you have a Cardinal T-Square.

Only Pisces/Sag in the second.

posted April 30, 2014 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:

By the Classic Planets, you have a Cardinal T-Square.

Only Pisces/Sag in the second.

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Ohhhh t-squares...that's what I was talking about too. Silly me.

ETA: Though if I count the minor planet Haumea, I do have a mutable grand cross.

posted April 30, 2014 06:25 PM            

I'm assuming that's what Cross refers to in this form of Astrology.