posted May 24, 2014 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What's with the "love stellium"? it doesn't exist! However, composite Sun conjunct Venus in close aspect is a great aspect, or Mercury conjunct Venus for that matter, so lovey-dovey.

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posted May 24, 2014 09:03 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I have a biiig problem with this concept...Sun/Venus/Mercury almost always conjunct in the composite because Sun Venus Mercury are never far away from each other
It's a common aspect; all of this "love stellium" concept gives people the wrong impression they hit the jackpot. I hate it when some astrologers do that, give people the idea they're chosen or something, it's so dishonest and mercantile, IMO. Of course, I'm not talking about you, tgem

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posted May 24, 2014 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I have a biiig problem with this concept...Sun/Venus/Mercury almost always conjunct in the composite because Sun Venus Mercury are never far away from each other
It's a common aspect; all of this "love stellium" concept gives people the wrong impression they hit the jackpot. I hate it when some astrologers do that, give people the idea they're chosen or something, it's so dishonest and mercantile, IMO. Of course, I'm not talking about you, tgem

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posted May 24, 2014 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by coteau:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
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How common? Because from the random composite charts I've just checked(about 10)none of them had a love stellium.
edit: i checked 30 other composite charts, and found 4 love stelliums(all of them like 8 degrees wide), 6 charts had venus conjunct sun(about 8 degrees wide average) and 19 of them had sun conjunct mercury.

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posted May 24, 2014 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
@ Indigo- I'm wondering if my ex-husband could quite possibly be my guardian soul as he is the one that lead me to meeting Cusp (if, in fact, Cusp turns out to be my TF.) my Ex and I definitely have soulmate markings and I think I mentioned a love stellium in our progressed composite LOL. Interestingly, in regards to what was mentioned about the possibility of 2nd house being the guardian soulship and 11th being the TF....I have mentioned that Cusp's 1st and last name asteroids are conjunct eachother exact in my 11th house. My ex-husband's name asteroid falls in my 2nd house, parallel my venus, jupiter, Pallas, Moira and ASC. I wonder what aspects then distinguish a guardian soul?

My Logos conjuncts his IC....

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posted May 24, 2014 02:13 PM            

I urge you to evaluate this more thoroughly on a research level, as I know you favour it.

Statistically speaking, it SHOULD be very common: when we use the math to determine the placement of SUN, VENUS, and MERCURY, it stands to reason, we'll get conjunctions most of the time.

But we don't.

Of the dozens of composites I run on a weekly basis, from all walks of life, I'd say maybe 5% of them have this stellium. If that.

Typically, we'll get a SUN-VENUS conjunction - with MERC wide.

Mathematically curious, when we consider how MERC likes to hang near the SUN.

I feel the method requires fine-tuning. Or it may be fine as is. I can't say that I don't have a love stellium with my Twin, just because it's SUN conjunct VENUS (1°) conjunct MERCURY (6°). Sure, it's the SUN, but 6° is a leeetle wide for me ....

:: shakes fist at Ceri ::

Just kidding. My orbs needed tightening.

So, statistically, that seems less likely than we'd think.

Id est:

A+B: yes (Twin Flames) (1°,5°)*
B+C: yes (Companion Souls? / OS) (1°,10°)
A+C: no (Acquaintances / SS Friends)
A+D: no (Married Karmic Soulmates)
E+F: yes (Married Twin Flames) (9°,1°)
A+E: no (Mother and Daughter)
A+F: no (Father and Daughter)
A+G: no (Stepmother and Stepdaughter)
G+H: no (Mother and Daughter)
D+G: no (Father and Daughter)
A+I: no (Karmic Soulmates / OS)
A+J: no (Graduate and Guardian Soulmates / OS)
A+K: no (Soul Sisters)
L+M: yes (Twin Flames) (7°,5°)
L+N: maybe (Companion Souls / OS) (11°,9°)
L+O: no (Karmic Soulmates / OS)
A+O: maybe (Soul Brother and Sister) (3°,11°)
A+P: no (Karmic Soulmates / OS)
A+Q: no (Karmic Soulmates / OS)
P+R: yes (Companion Soulmates / OS) (3°,10°)
S+T: yes (Twin Flames) (12°,10°)*
U+V: no (Twin Flames)
K+W: yes (Twin Flames) (6°,3°)*
X+Y: yes (Twin Flames) (3°,3°)
X+D: yes (Companion Soulmates / OS) (8°,3°)
A+X: no (Karmic Soulmates / SS)
G+X: no (Karmic Soulmates / SS)
A+Z: yes (Companion Soulmates (OS) (2°,7°)

... And we're nowhere near a statistically viable sample size, or through my database.

But! There's just a quick rundown.

(Asterisk denotes they are presently not together, but have been in a serious romantic relationship).

And, in the case of X+Y, Y is deceased. X ... bless her ... she's hanging on.

posted May 24, 2014 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, coteau
The "love stellium" as it is described on this site consists of: Sun conjunct Mercury and Venus, Sun conjunct Mercury semisextile or semisquare Venus, or a variation of those. If you looked at the charts, you probably noticed how many of them have Sun conjunct Mercury semisextile Venus, most of them, actually.
You can also look at charts between people who are not romantically involved and still find those.
I think composite Sun conjunct Venus and composite Mercury conjunct Venus can be pretty significant, but these three never travel too far from each other, so I think it would be wrong to consider their connection in the composite as a sign of "true love". Many other aspects and house positions and the whole chart should be taken into account for such a conclusion, IMO.

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OH. My bad, Lee. I was thinking it was ONLY the conjunction.

If we're also including sextile, semisextile, and so on - that's absolutely casting way too wide of a net for statistical accuracy.

Mea culpa. I agree entirely. Thank you for clarifying.

Further: how is it a stellium with a sextile? I count a stellium as all points are conjunct - within 12°, if you wanna get REALLY crazy - but usually about 6°.

The above points I've addressed are within 12° total - from SUN to MERCURY, or SUN to VENUS. The closer aspect, say, 1°-6° in most of the data analysed, are from MERC to VENUS.

posted May 24, 2014 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
OH. My bad, Lee. I was thinking it was ONLY the conjunction.

If we're also including sextile, semisextile, and so on - that's absolutely casting way too wide of a net for statistical accuracy.

Mea culpa. I agree entirely. Thank you for clarifying.

Further: how is it a stellium with a sextile? I count a stellium as all points are conjunct - within 12°, if you wanna get REALLY crazy - but usually about 6°.

The above points I've addressed are within 12° total - from SUN to MERCURY, or SUN to VENUS. The closer aspect, say, 1°-6° in most of the data analysed, are from MERC to VENUS.

But they're conjunctions ONLY. That's what 'stellium' means to me.

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Yes, I thought with stellium it's only the conjunctions that count. What say you if Composite Sun conjunct Venus conjunct Mercury all within 6 degrees? Is it significant somehow?

posted May 24, 2014 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

But they're conjunctions ONLY. That's what 'stellium' means to me.

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Yes exactly.
But even if a stellium of Sun, Mercury, Venus is there, there still need to be other things at play. On its own it is not "sufficient" for whatever.

Oh and for the record Jude Law and me have a love stellium within about 8 degrees. Actually it also includes Moon, so

Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun and the midpoint of this stellium (which is also the Sun/Moon-mp) falls onto the North Node.

It looks peculiar there in 1st house. But anyway, I havenīt really found the presence of a love stellium as a reliable indicator, or actually the other way round, the absense of a love stellium does not seem to equate an absence of love and affections (my parents being one of the examples for being loving and in love despite not having the love stellium. Neither had the Brownings. Nor the Newmans. Didn`t keep them from loving each other nevertheless. )

posted May 24, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Lee,

I urge you to evaluate this more thoroughly on a research level, as I know you favour it.

Statistically speaking, it SHOULD be very common: when we use the math to determine the placement of SUN, VENUS, and MERCURY, it stands to reason, we'll get conjunctions most of the time.

But we don't.

Of the dozens of composites I run on a weekly basis, from all walks of life, I'd say maybe 5% of them have this stellium. If that.

Typically, we'll get a SUN-VENUS conjunction - with MERC wide.

Mathematically curious, when we consider how MERC likes to hang near the SUN.

I feel the method requires fine-tuning. Or it may be fine as is. I can't say that I don't have a love stellium with my Twin, just because it's SUN conjunct VENUS (1°) conjunct MERCURY (6°). Sure, it's the SUN, but 6° is a leeetle wide for me ....

:: shakes fist at Ceri ::

Just kidding. My orbs needed tightening.

So, statistically, that seems less likely than we'd think.

Id est:

A+B: yes (Twin Flames) (1°,5°)*
B+C: yes (Companion Souls? / OS) (1°,10°)
A+C: no (Acquaintances / SS Friends)
A+D: no (Married Karmic Soulmates)
E+F: yes (Married Twin Flames) (9°,1°)
A+E: no (Mother and Daughter)
A+F: no (Father and Daughter)
A+G: no (Stepmother and Stepdaughter)
G+H: no (Mother and Daughter)
D+G: no (Father and Daughter)
A+I: no (Karmic Soulmates / OS)
A+J: no (Graduate and Guardian Soulmates / OS)
A+K: no (Soul Sisters)
L+M: yes (Twin Flames) (7°,5°)
L+N: maybe (Companion Souls / OS) (11°,9°)
L+O: no (Karmic Soulmates / OS)
A+O: maybe (Soul Brother and Sister) (3°,11°)
A+P: no (Karmic Soulmates / OS)
A+Q: no (Karmic Soulmates / OS)
P+R: yes (Companion Soulmates / OS) (3°,10°)
S+T: yes (Twin Flames) (12°,10°)*
U+V: no (Twin Flames)
K+W: yes (Twin Flames) (6°,3°)*
X+Y: yes (Twin Flames) (3°,3°)
X+D: yes (Companion Soulmates / OS) (8°,3°)
A+X: no (Karmic Soulmates / SS)
G+X: no (Karmic Soulmates / SS)
A+Z: yes (Companion Soulmates (OS) (2°,7°)

... And we're nowhere near a statistically viable sample size, or through my database.

But! There's just a quick rundown.

(Asterisk denotes they are presently not together, but have been in a serious romantic relationship).

And, in the case of X+Y, Y is deceased. X ... bless her ... she's hanging on.

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lol I like to see you're in a good mood

As it is described by Runaroundscreaming who apparently coined the term "love stellium", it's either the "threesome" or a combination involving a SEMIsextile or semisquare or even a sextile. As it happens, Sun conjunct Mercury semisextile Venus is in fact a very common aspect, not so much the threesome maybe. But, the idea is, due to the nature of these three traveling together, what I reject is looking at a composite and seeing them conjunct or nearby (which is pretty normal) and thinking or saying: "omg, a love stellium, true love, you guys are twinflames etc.", it can't be a sign for that, that's why people who are not romantically involved have it. But, to answer Tulipe's question, of course it's not insignificant, of course it's significant, but (another but) in the context of the whole chart: for example in the 7th house, in a grand trine with Neptune and Pluto etc. Not PER SE as a sign of true love, that's what I reject - for astronomical reasons.

It's funny you say you found mostly Sun conjunct Venus, what I see most often is Sun conjunct Mercury, if there are so many Sun conjunct Venus than this conjunction looses her romantic significance even more. Or maybe you looked at many romantic charts to see it there.

posted May 24, 2014 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
tgem, I know you didn't ask me but from what I remember from your charts with your husband, I think he really looked like a "protector" of you in those charts.

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posted May 24, 2014 08:55 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
That's perfectly fine...so would being a "protector" be along the same lines as a Guardian soul?

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I'd have to look at the synastry and charts for markers.

Wait, scratch that. I'd have to DETERMINE markers.

What cart? What horse? ... Has anybody seen that horse?

I'm ... okay, Lee. I'm confused as hell, to be honest. Living my life, catching up on LL, doing a new study, working on developing the series and taking the rest as it comes.

posted May 25, 2014 09:23 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I'd have to look at the synastry and charts for markers.

Wait, scratch that. I'd have to DETERMINE markers.

What cart? What horse? ... Has anybody seen that horse?

I'm ... okay, Lee. I'm confused as hell, to be honest. Living my life, catching up on LL, doing a new study, working on developing the series and taking the rest as it comes.

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posted May 30, 2014 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Did you want this moved to the new Forum? Or keep it here?

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That would be wonderful, Randall, yes.

And forgive my absence yesterday. My endearing Bengal cat did a rather impressive number on my left hand. Better now, but slashed the dickens out of my 'marriage' line. Right in the crease, so every movement was like a thousand papercuts in a cacophonious chorus.

Hmmmmm. Well, that CHIRON transit HAS been a doozy.

'But I'm much better now!'

posted May 30, 2014 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Ouch, Indigo.

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Heh, I know, right?

Ironically, it gave my husband a wonderful opportunity to be exactly what I needed in my bleary, just-awakened, just-lacerated state. And he took it.

I half wonder if Heartbreak Clashes 'work' because we ALLOW THEM TO. Granted, that's all that astrology is - our relation to, and manifestation of, potentials that exist within the universe, on which we all come to a consensus.

A part of me must've been secretly rather terrified of Big Bad Magi Happiness Death Knell, because I can honestly say the tCHIRON opposite my nVENUS was what REALLY caused me to gut my whole concept of relating.

The 'Heartbreak Clash' has definitely been a monster on many levels, though. Oddly enough, not where it could've continued to do damage: with my Twin.

Nor with my Guardian - thank God.