posted June 19, 2014 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Not in my book but I'm aware. Pisces moon is the absolute first thing that pops in my head when I think of just mentally unstable. So many child killers and murders have it. I'm not saying every single Pisces moon but Look at John Wayne Gacy and Jeffery Dahmer alone. Completely insane. There is no other answer.

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Jeffrey was a moon in aries...confirming the fire moon principle of impulsiveness or lack of control.

Moon in Pisces is more like Martin Luther King Jr. and Elvis. They are usually sensitive souls. If they go on stage it usually hurts them. They get depressed and bipolar but are never violent as a general rule.

As for the other guy...he was a sag rising with lots of gemini placements which made him highly conflicted. Moon is more about how you are passively anyways and violent acts are active events...they are governmened more by your mercury and sun sign than anything else.

posted June 19, 2014 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
He is awesome yes and his music is amazing. But he's just a little off lol. He reminds me a male singer version of Winona Ryder no idea why he just does. Especially when she was in Beetlejuice.

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posted June 19, 2014 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
Jeffrey was a moon in aries...confirming the fire moon principle of impulsiveness or lack of control.

Moon in Pisces is more like Martin Luther King Jr. and Elvis. They are usually sensitive souls. If they go on stage it usually hurts them. They get depressed and bipolar but are never violent as a general rule.

As for the other guy...he was a sag rising with lots of gemini placements which made him highly conflicted. Moon is more about how you are passively anyways and violent acts are active events...they are governmened more by your mercury and sun sign than anything else.

And I agree, prince is awsome!

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posted June 19, 2014 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I know I didn't mean to add Jeffrey sorry. But what about Julie Castor who killed both of her husbands and then tried saying her daughter did it. She tried to kill her and wrote a suicide letter saying that she(the daughter) did it. She still to this day says it. She's a Leo but water heavy and has Pisces Moon and Cancer Mercury and Scorpio Mars.

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Interesting. I admit it adds a flavor of lying, and deception, but the Pisces energy usually makes one very sensitive and compassionate...it could be used for good or bad.

posted June 19, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
Interesting. I admit it adds a flavor of lying, and deception, but the Pisces energy usually makes one very sensitive and compassionate...it could be used for good or bad.

But interesting nonetheless..a twist of the energies I did not foresee.

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posted June 19, 2014 05:08 PM            

According to this study of serial killers, mutable signs- particularly the moon in a mutable sign- can be an indicator. The moon is usually afflicted by mars and/or ESPECIALLY saturn. Also, 12th house planets, Pisces planets, and stressful aspects from Neptune are seen in high frequency in killers' charts.

Interesting

posted June 19, 2014 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
http://www.nvwoa.nl/pdfart/ruis/ruisen.pdf

According to this study of serial killers, mutable signs- particularly the moon in a mutable sign- can be an indicator. The moon is usually afflicted by mars and/or ESPECIALLY saturn. Also, 12th house planets, Pisces planets, and stressful aspects from Neptune are seen in high frequency in killers' charts.

Interesting

Apparently fixed signs are not commonly seem in the charts of serial killers. Mutable signs are because there is a connection between psychopathy and a low boredom threshold/short attention span.

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Actually, if you read the paper correctly, it states contrary to what you are asserting.

The assumption of astrologers Liz Greene and the late Howard Sasportas, that the Moon
plays a significant role in the birth charts of serial killers with respect to signs and aspects
cannot be rejected on the basis of the present findings. The effect sizes of the Moon by
sign and by aspect are, nevertheless, small. The finding of Liz Greene of frequent Moon-
120°-Saturn aspects among serial killers (Greene, 2003h) is substantiated in the present
datasets but the frequency is not even individually significant. The suggestion of Liz
Greene that Moon-Saturn aspects are most effective in mixed aspects, such as the
combination with Moon-Neptune aspects (Greene, 2003l), needs further study.

posted June 19, 2014 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It seems like when what the Pisces goes through is particularly traumatic, they will turn for the worst. Look at what happened to Aileen Wournos, another Pisces sun. She had a terrible upbringing and also became a serial killer. By the end she was completely mad. It had it's roots in what she went through as a child.
I bet if she was raised in a completely different environment, nurtured and protected, never ever abused, she would have turned out completely different.

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posted June 19, 2014 05:33 PM            

The evidence shows that pisces is not in any way associated with being a murderer.

The most recent study done is by Bob Marks here...
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article102504/index.htm

He is the most legitimately authoritative researcher on the matter, currently.

His conclusion is that in terms of simply placements...only Venus in Aquarius and sun and Sagittarius are over-presented enough to be considered statistically significant.

posted June 19, 2014 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It seems like when what the Pisces goes through is particularly traumatic, they will turn for the worst. Look at what happened to Aileen Wournos, another Pisces sun. She had a terrible upbringing and also became a serial killer. By the end she was completely mad. It had it's roots in what she went through as a child.
I bet if she was raised in a completely different environment, nurtured and protected, never ever abused, she would have turned out completely different.

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posted June 19, 2014 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Aileen is one of those people I just wanna save though. I am not sure what it is about Piscean energy, it can produce people with serious problems that aren't necessarily organic, environmental, only. 12th house and Pisces rules the past. It makes sense that a bad past could influence the Pisces for the worst. This is what messes up the Pisces/12th house person. The past is a strong force they cannot control it compels them to do awful things.

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Interestingly enough, in bob marks research I posted above, one of the other correlations for murder was having Saturn opposed to the 8th or 12th house cusp.

So that would be having Saturn near the second house cusp or 6th house cusp would incline one to murder. 6/60 murderers had this aspect.

But the sign Pisces itself had nothing to do with it. It was the house which mattered...

posted June 19, 2014 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Let's take a look at J. Dahmer and T. Bundy (Gemini and Sag suns.) These two are much more organic in nature. Nothing in their past indicates they were abused in any way. They seem coddled and spoiled, actually. It is so clear their parents provided for them, nurtured them, loved them. The media tries to portray them as having an abnormal upbringing but it simply isn't so. You cannot find anything seriously wrong. A divorce is simply not traumatic enough, not like a physical injury, witnessing the violent death of another, or, systematic physical and sexual abuse.

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I see what you're saying. Pisces is receptive. No doubt about it.

And the Sag/Gemini is more of a natural born killer where as the pisces becomes one?

Stilll though pisces is underepresented amongst killers in general....I thought we were talking about that.

But for the few exceptions, yes, I see how pisces can be for those.

posted June 19, 2014 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
I see what you're saying. Pisces is receptive. No doubt about it.

And the Sag/Gemini is more of a natural born killer where as the pisces becomes one?

Stilll though pisces is underepresented amongst killers in general....I thought we were talking about that.

But for the few exceptions, yes, I see how pisces can be for those.

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posted June 19, 2014 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
Last time I'm going to post about this...

The evidence shows that pisces is not in any way associated with being a murderer.

The most recent study done is by Bob Marks here...
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article102504/index.htm

He is the most legitimately authoritative researcher on the matter, currently.

His conclusion is that in terms of simply placements...only Venus in Aquarius and sun and Sagittarius are over-presented enough to be considered statistically significant.

So until the evidence appears demonstrating any claim that pisces is an energy of murder is simply based on a bias of the asserter.

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As a Pisces moon, I appreciate your commitment here!

posted June 19, 2014 08:08 PM            

One of them did say that when he was in the military that he was fascinated by the character and concept of Freddy Kruger too much (which he looks back on and cringes) but I wonder if he just didn't absorb a lot of violent, roiling emotions (including those with psychic scars from fighting in wars, and then plenty join the military to escape crime ridden slums) so that he simply "reflected" that unconscious ("dream demon" that was destroying the people around him from within) energy. It's not like he admired Freddy Kruger, he was just fascinated with him.

And one Pisces moon used to do drugs because he couldn't handle absorbing the pain of the world (and to this day has to limit contact with it), I wonder if such a Pisces mooner (or other Pisces) might get into killing to "shut them up" in the psychic sense so as to not absorb their pain anymore.

Or, even more eccentric, to save them from their own pain, seeing it as "mercy killing."

posted June 19, 2014 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by fishbull11:
Sad, this isn't reality.

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