posted July 02, 2014 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
I forgot to mention that the aspects I listed are indicators for divorce as well and it seems to be true. All divorced women I know have at least 2 of them

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That is interesting, is not divorce more on a synastry level? Or is it in the natal chart?

posted July 02, 2014 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
I once heard that there are 4 aspects in a woman's Chart that indicate that marriage will probably never happen

- Sun hard aspect to Mars
- Mars hard aspect to Saturn,
- Venus harsh to Uranus and Sun-Uranus

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posted July 02, 2014 05:18 PM              

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Do you include sun conjunction mars as a hard aspect?

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I would but as mentioned 2 posts earlier. Those aspects can indicate a divorce as well.

posted July 02, 2014 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Welcome!

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posted July 02, 2014 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
I would but as mentioned 2 posts earlier. Those aspects can indicate a divorce as well.

And hard aspects between 7th and 1st house rulers..

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posted July 02, 2014 11:59 PM              

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Originally posted by AnastasiyaEnchanted:
I dont know if you believe in karma, but from the perspective of evolutionary astrology having lots of plants in relationships houses (5,7) means you have a lots of "unfinished business" there. So you probably have karmic relationships that need to be finished that weren't in the previous life time before you can have a true meaningful one. I don't know if this is a very good example, but taylor swift and her infamous dating history could be explained by the fact that she has a full 5th house + 11th house + north node in the 7th. This doesn't mean that you will never marry, it just means that it wont happen early in life. Best of luck!

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posted July 03, 2014 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Interesting point. I agree. Also if someone if so preoccupied with marriage they might just be unintentionally sabotaging themselves. Ie not letting things progress naturally or seeking perfection or bailing at the smallest discouragement. It seems to me like people with fuller relationship houses (8th included) tend to have more relationships, with less meaning or just date around a lot compared to people whose relationship houses are empty. Anyone else notice this or have any insight?

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I do not necessarily believe or disbelieve in karma, but I think what you say makes sense --preoccupation with anything is a hindrance to this thing happening. I have observed it with a lot of things, not just relationships.

posted July 03, 2014 03:14 AM              

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Can I ask why you include this aspect? I got sun conjunction mars in my natal chart in virgo by 5 degrees

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Sorry, I think I need to clarify.

Those 4 aspects indicate divorce and/or "never a marriage" BUT for a divorce you would need to have at least 2 of them and if you run the risk to end up as an old maid you would need all 4 of them

posted July 03, 2014 03:55 AM            

I have to admit I do find the expression inappropriate.. and I think the title could have been phrased using a less offensive term, e.g. "bachelorette".

The dictionary definitions are also explicit in stating: "elderly unmarried woman".

So I am assuming this means that a woman who had multiple romantic and sexual experiences throughout her lifetime and finally settled down into a de facto relationship with one guy and had maybe three kids and adopted a couple.... would (by that standardised definition) - still be an "old maid" (as long as she never married).

It's a very outdated term.. since so many younger people are caring less and less about marriage... and the age of first marriage keeps rising.
Also, many people are simply not that religious or interested in "marriage".

posted July 03, 2014 04:26 AM            

My question concerns women/or men/ who passionately do want to have a family, but for one reason or other are not able to form one.
I also find it a bit strange to be "politically corrected", because this is not the essence of my question. The "Old maid" term has a vibe to it which I want to convey --and the vibe is that of loneliness and isolation, stagnancy, rigidity.

Perhaps both are interesting --Bachelorette and Old maid-- from astrological point of view, but I do not believe they are interchangeable.
Bachelorette has uranus sound to it --rebelious love, Old Maid has Saturn sound to it.

posted July 03, 2014 05:27 AM            

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old maid
n.
1. Offensive: A woman who has remained single beyond the conventional age for marrying.
2. Informal: A person regarded as being primly fastidious.
3. Games
a. A card game in which the player who holds a designated card at the end is the loser.
b. The loser of this game.
4. Chiefly Southern U.S. See zinnia.

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And...

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old′ maid′
n.
1. Usually Disparaging. an elderly or confirmed spinster.
2. a fussy, timid, prudish person.
3. a simple card game, played with a deck having one card removed, in which players match pairs, the loser being the holder of the odd card, usu. a queen.
[1520–30]
old′-maid′ish, adj.
usage: Definition 1 is usually used with disparaging intent

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posted July 03, 2014 05:29 AM            

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I also find it a bit strange to be "politically corrected", because this is not the essence of my question.

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Well if it's not the essence.. why is this term even in the title?
I am sorry to be picky but as an egalitarian, I am offended by the term and I'm not alone.

As is obvious by the presence of "maid".. this term is clearly not gender neutral.
The term is not "old unmarried person".. It is "old maid" .. as in "old unmarried woman".. and aimed in a disparaging, humiliating way towards *women* who choose not to marry - or who remain unmarried for other reasons.

There is no equivalent, disparaging term for men.

posted July 03, 2014 05:35 AM            

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This is even on wikipedia, under spinster..

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The term (spinster) is synonymous with "old maid". Several dictionaries flag it as a derogatory term.

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posted July 03, 2014 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Well if it's not the essence.. why is this term even in the title?
I am sorry to be picky but as an egalitarian, I am offended by the term and I'm not alone.

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Well by the dictionary of Webster this term is not offensive. You as a moderator must not impose your own views on other people. I personally dislike the term "bachelorette", yet you are imposing it on me as more correct. I stand by my title !

posted July 03, 2014 05:39 AM            

I am also not imposing my views on you - but rather stating my views.

posted July 03, 2014 05:58 AM            

According to LL rules.. it is unacceptable to personally offend someone. For instance.. if you had called another knowflake an "old maid" in a pejorative manner.. that would not be acceptable.

But you didn't do anything like this ^ at all.
So in terms of LL rules - you are not breaking any rules.

posted July 03, 2014 06:54 AM            

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Originally posted by viiv28:

So my 7th house is my sun and mercury. Neptune is on descendant
the ruler of the 7th house is Jupiter, he is in the 5th house with exact conjunction (0 degrees) with Saturn. Both of these planets make square with my sun, and sextile with my Venus.

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You have ruler of 7th, Jupiter in square to your Sun in 7th: that is aspect of no marriage. Neptune on Desc.; maybe you don't know what do you want from marriage.

My ex friend had Mars, ruler of 7th in square with Moon in 7th: he was married two years and told, it was the worst time in his life. He had (as you) more long years relationships, what is better than to be tied.

B.