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Topic: The 2nd vs. 8th house
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FireMoon
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posted July 03, 2014 06:57 AM
 
I know this is a really general topic but what are the main differences really? Some of the definitions still seem blurry to me.. For example when ppl talk about 8th house wealth/money how is this different from 2nd house wealth?Sorry I have to mention money since I have venus opp jupiter in these houses so clearly it's an important theme but I have yet to understand it really.. Any thoughts or opinions appreciated! IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted July 03, 2014 07:28 AM
8H is other people's money? Not sure though IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted July 03, 2014 07:33 AM
H2 is the wealth by marketing your own resources. You are the goods. H8 is about the other parties in relation to H2. While H2 aims to satisfy oneself, H8 included the communal aspect. H8 is the system in which your H2 brings the money. If you use derivative houses, it represents your partner's income. H2-H8 axis is about the control and tasting and testing. #pleasure IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted July 03, 2014 07:35 AM
In the 2nd house you earn your money. In the 8th house you inherit something, get access to your spouse's money and possessions etc.------------------
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VenusDiSirius
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posted July 03, 2014 07:39 AM
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/problemsweallface_2.php
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/problemsweallface_8.php IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted July 03, 2014 07:42 AM
8th house wealth money is inherited money through death
2nd house is ruled by venus, it is about material possessions,vehicles,money earned,income. 11th house is about good fortune and gains of money, sudden comfort, support of benefactors,and sponsorship.IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted July 03, 2014 07:44 AM
It seems to me 2nd house people might be more possessive. Of their money, things, time, thoughts, feelings, people, everything. I see it as an accumulating vs sharing axis.------------------
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Jessica2407
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posted July 03, 2014 07:55 AM
Depending on the planet and aspects of the 2nd house.IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted July 03, 2014 07:58 AM
Yeah, I guess so.
Anyway, an 8th house person might be reluctant to share their inside (and perhaps their body too) but I believe that ultimately the yearning for closeness wins.------------------
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I'm so cappy
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posted July 03, 2014 08:08 AM
Fire, where's your second house ruler, what is it and how is it aspected? It could tell you someting about the best way for you to gain money.For example, my ruler is Venus and it's in the 5th house. It's also the ruler the 9th house. Venus conjunct Saturn and NN, square Moon (in the 2nd), trine Mars (in the 9th), opposite Jupiter. My goal is to get a job related to art, creativity or the occult (ideally, all of them  ). I can feel it in my bones that this is it. But I have a 5th house stellium and Mars is the apex of a yod so...
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posted July 03, 2014 12:12 PM
So how would you interpret the 2nd house ruler being in the 8th house? IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 03, 2014 12:33 PM
making money as an investor of some sort, having a knack for investing other people's money, or resources, or accounting. The 8th house rules the accounting, detective, psychology, and plutocratic profressions of power and intrigue...Those with 8th house suns usuall become mega millionairs. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted July 03, 2014 12:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by page one:
So how would you interpret the 2nd house ruler being in the 8th house?
Open a brothel 
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DeepFreeze
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posted July 03, 2014 12:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by AlexDern:
making money as an investor of some sort, having a knack for investing other people's money, or resources, or accounting. The 8th house rules the accounting, detective, psychology, and plutocratic profressions of power and intrigue...Those with 8th house suns usuall become mega millionairs.
People often forget it also rules investment. Get busy! IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 03, 2014 12:41 PM
It should be noted also that 8th house inheritance is not like inherting billions of dollars.That would be more of a pluto in the second house thing. 8th house inheritance tends to have many many strings attached. The native has come into this life to learn boundries. These are the stories where someone gets a house from their parents, then their wife takes it from them after a divorce, or vice versa...this is a limited amount of resources being shared. It also tends to mean that the native will explore taboo's towards the end of life...these people, as youngsters, can't tell how they feel because their emotions are blended with others, so they don't really consider the taboo whent hey are young but older. We always see 2nd,3rd, and 4th house people as the ones who sleep with cousins, and do all the weird stuff, and we see 8th and 12th house people realize that this is part of human nature and study it... but it's the first 1,2,3,4, houses that makes a person entirely independent and reckless...not the 8th house...the 8th house is the house of psychoanalysis and people rarely make decisions without analyzing them foryears. They are very, very responsible, with exceptions. It's the second house people who take daddy's car and crash it, it's the 8th house people who inherit dad's money, a meager sum, and turn it into a billion dollar empire. I'm speaking from several clients who have jupiter and planets in the 8th...they all did this. For some reason clients with venus or taurus in the 9/3 or 2nd house have inherited a lot of money but seem to just use it on drugs and fun. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted July 03, 2014 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by page one:
So how would you interpret the 2nd house ruler being in the 8th house?
Your losses may well balance out your gains depending on other aspects of the 2nd house ruler and also the natural 2nd house ruler. You will however most probably inherit money. IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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posted July 03, 2014 12:49 PM
8th house isn't about money... At least not money for money's sake. 8th is about money only in so far as the OPM (other people's money) principal. It doesn't have to be money, it can be their data, knowlege, reputation, secrets, emotions, or trust. Its about using intimacy and loyality for the benefit (or detriment if poorly aspected) of another. And in so doing, benefiting yourself. Ultimately, its about using power in all its many and varied forms. Trust me, 8th house sun doesn't make you a trust fund baby or give you a blank check all by itself (boy don't I wish!) IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted July 03, 2014 12:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by AlexDern:
It should be noted also that 8th house inheritance is not like inherting billions of dollars.That would be more of a pluto in the second house thing. 8th house inheritance tends to have many many strings attached. The native has come into this life to learn boundries. These are the stories where someone gets a house from their parents, then their wife takes it from them after a divorce, or vice versa...this is a limited amount of resources being shared. It also tends to mean that the native will explore taboo's towards the end of life...these people, as youngsters, can't tell how they feel because their emotions are blended with others, so they don't really consider the taboo whent hey are young but older. We always see 2nd,3rd, and 4th house people as the ones who sleep with cousins, and do all the weird stuff, and we see 8th and 12th house people realize that this is part of human nature and study it... but it's the first 1,2,3,4, houses that makes a person entirely independent and reckless...not the 8th house...the 8th house is the house of psychoanalysis and people rarely make decisions without analyzing them foryears. They are very, very responsible, with exceptions. It's the second house people who take daddy's car and crash it, it's the 8th house people who inherit dad's money, a meager sum, and turn it into a billion dollar empire. I'm speaking from several clients who have jupiter and planets in the 8th...they all did this. For some reason clients with venus or taurus in the 9/3 or 2nd house have inherited a lot of money but seem to just use it on drugs and fun.
<<< 8th house stellium including the sun. Nice post. I relate to the descriptions of the 8th house. IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 03, 2014 12:54 PM
Thanks Jessica!I know many people with 8th house stelliums, althought hey are somewhat rare compared to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd house steliums. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted July 03, 2014 05:23 PM
Great. Another thread ruined by the Troll. IP: Logged |
maira
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posted July 03, 2014 05:37 PM
(Hi, Venus! I haven't forgot to e-mail you, but things have been kind of hectic here  )The difference between the 2nd and the 8th can be put also in terms of their rulers - Venus and Pluto. Taurus wants to own things simply to possess them and is a collector, while Scorpio will desire them, get them and alchemize them, destroy that energy and transform it into something else. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted July 03, 2014 06:00 PM
The 8th house rules taxes as well as death/rebirth and sex but sex that leads to bonding; not one night stands.Axis 2nd/8th deals with what you value from money to people you have a strong bond with to the value you place in yourself and yourself worth. I would say the 2nd is the value you place in your self and the 8th the value you place on others. The second are your possessions but the 8th is who yo co own those possessions with which is usually a spouse and the state (for example: your car and house are co owned by the government and banks in addition to maybe your spouse).. They are interlinked. IP: Logged |
FireMoon
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posted July 06, 2014 02:01 AM
Thanks for all the great responses, and sorry for just getting back to this thread I've been moving and it's been stressful... quote:
Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/problemsweallface_2.php
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/problemsweallface_8.php
Wow very interesting links, best online descriptions I've read about this- thank you!! IP: Logged |
FireMoon
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posted July 06, 2014 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Fire, where's your second house ruler, what is it and how is it aspected? It could tell you someting about the best way for you to gain money.For example, my ruler is Venus and it's in the 5th house. It's also the ruler the 9th house. Venus conjunct Saturn and NN, square Moon (in the 2nd), trine Mars (in the 9th), opposite Jupiter. My goal is to get a job related to art, creativity or the occult (ideally, all of them ). I can feel it in my bones that this is it. But I have a 5th house stellium and Mars is the apex of a yod so...
2nd house ruler is my Cap sun in 7th conj Saturn-NN, saturn co-rules my 8th house. Lol but I don't plan on being a housewife.. and wtf else is the 7th house good for financially? Law I could maybe see actually, but I also have a Pisces MC so... not sure that fits either. I know this jupiter-venus opposition is important though even though it's hard to understand cause Leo and Aqua are duplicated signs in my chart- so Leo is on my 2nd and 3rd house cusp and Aqua is on the 8th and 9th. Supposedly this says something about how to "overcome" my 5th and 11th house interception, but that's a whole separate mystery to me lol Anyway go for it cappy I'm sure you could make it happen with your 5th house emphasis! If your 2nd house ruler also rules your 9th, maybe you'd have extra luck with this abroad? Just a thought... IP: Logged |
FireMoon
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posted July 06, 2014 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by AlexDern:
It's the second house people who take daddy's car and crash it, it's the 8th house people who inherit dad's money, a meager sum, and turn it into a billion dollar empire.I'm speaking from several clients who have jupiter and planets in the 8th...they all did this. For some reason clients with venus or taurus in the 9/3 or 2nd house have inherited a lot of money but seem to just use it on drugs and fun.
Hmm ok so what would you say about someone with Jupiter rx in 2nd opposite Venus in 8th? So far there've been no inheritances or access to daddy's car- so to speak (I somewhat grew up around wealth but was sort of the black sheep actually, at least for a while- now I just keep things at a comfortable distance with family)
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