posted July 08, 2014 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
It kinda gives me a twisty feeling in my stomach I can't really even begin to understand why, just feels kinda wrong to me personally.

It also poses questions like. What would the parent think if the kid turned out to be a sign that they didn't want? When the kid acts put would they be thinking in thier head "I love you but I wish you were born a Virgo not a Leo!" A lot of people seem to do that with their mates. Thinking that they will be better off with a more "compatible" sun sign. Though this is really with people that don't understand astrology enough but are still invested in it....

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posted July 08, 2014 08:07 PM            

But yea, a while back, you told me you thought it ws cool that i had an aqua on purpose

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I agree completely. I think it's wrong. Although I don't care for Cancers personally I'd love my child just as much if it were one. There's nothing wrong with going by seasons, but even that's just too much for me. If I wanna baby, I want a darn baby, I don't wanna wait until summer to have it or spring or whatever. It's just ridiculous to me. Too much time being wasted with all of that. The kid is gonna be a kid regardless, with it's own purpose in life.

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posted July 08, 2014 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I agree. My mom and dad didn't plan their pregnancy. And I was born from c section. My mom, dad, my grandma and I are all fixed square sun signs lol. Dad Leo. Mom Taurus. Grandma Scorpio. Me Aquarius. I include my grandma in the nuclear family because I grew up with her and knew her more than i ever knew my dad. But man oh man, I thought all families had this much tension! For some reason I feel like it's no coincidence were all squared sun signs... Also... We're are so incredibly stubborn!

Do you kids gave a blast with each other? I love sag people as friends seems like it would be amazing to have a sag sibling as an aqua!

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Yes, they do have fun together. My Sag daughter is a real joy. Everyone loves her. My biggest issue with her is that she doesn't understand personal space. She is constantly hugging people. My Aqua has that stellium in the 12 th house so she doesn't always come across very Aquarian. They both have loads of friends though. I am very close to my sister that has Sun and ASC in Sag. But her Scorpio Moon seems to override those.

What is up with all the Cancer bashing by the way? My Aquarian daughter is just as clingly as I was as a child. Cancer's are completely devoted to family. I'm the one in my family that keeps us all together now that my parents are gone. My Sag daughter as that stellium in the 4th house. She can be very clingy and emotional, too. There's nothing a Cancer won't do for their family!

posted July 08, 2014 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
It's cool for you. Not for me, I never said that I would do it. I would never do it. A baby is a baby, regardless of its sign and birth chart. If other people wanna do it then cool, have at it. It's not okay to me. I feel like it's almost trying to play God in a way, when no one can. A baby has a purpose regardless, so I feel like it's a waste of time. That kid's gonna be the person it wants to be anyway, not because it's parents "choose" it's sun sign.

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posted July 08, 2014 08:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
But when you really think about it., are you ever really in control? We all have a purpose, what if making you want to choose your children's sun sign is done intentionally? Therefore never putting you in control..

No it's not murder wrong LOL, just not natural to me. Just let it be. Whatever the kid is go with it.

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posted July 08, 2014 08:37 PM            

Technically, if there is no control then there is no point in birth control, and furthermore there's no need for birth control because you'll only have the children you were meant to have. (I take it many who believe this were meant to have a lot of children...)

So do those who believe births are predestined so that the attempt to influence when a baby is born is pointless (or even offensive) ever use birth control? (That would include refraining from sex when pregnancy is likely since that could be used to help determine the placements of a child.) Am I understanding this correctly? Or can you also have children you weren't meant to have in addition to the ones you were meant to?

posted July 08, 2014 08:42 PM            

I feel this opening the abortion can of worms!
I aborted my first pregnancy cuz it was going to be a cancer.

JUST JOKING!

Whether the choices we make are predetermined or not....they stil feel like choices and we still make them.

Free will, destiny, fate....they can/do work together. hmmmm, to post or not to post this? my choice or predetermined series of events?

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
To be perceived in a tone of inquiry rather than contempt, condescension, self-righteousness, or personal attack:

Technically, if there is no control then there is no point in birth control, and furthermore there's no need for birth control because you'll only have the children you were meant to have. (I take it many who believe this were meant to have a lot of children...)

So do those who believe births are predestined so that the attempt to influence when a baby is born is pointless (or even offensive) ever use birth control? (That would include refraining from sex when pregnancy is likely since that could be used to help determine the placements of a child.) Am I understanding this correctly? Or can you also have children you weren't meant to have in addition to the ones you were meant to?

Conversely, would it mean you use birth control because the Fates have decided it's not time and therefore compelled you to use birth control? (If so then why can't someone trying to engineer the chart of their child also not be the fates at work?)

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posted July 08, 2014 08:46 PM            

If you have or don't have children there was a reason for it. Everything in life has a reason and purpose, it's all one HUGE lesson.

posted July 08, 2014 08:54 PM            

And not just abortion...murder.

Doctors are equally pointless.

posted July 08, 2014 08:57 PM            

but i agree with you.

we are able to use our minds, our free will....we make choices all the time. that's part of our journey...i don't think it's all pre-orchestrated to every last detail. we have brains and hearts for a reason.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Come to think of it, this does include abortion. If all is predestined then so was that abortion (otherwise it would fail).

And not just abortion...murder.

Doctors are equally pointless.

Viewed in that light, I'd think the belief in predestination (unless severely restricted to say who is born when and where) makes all our choices meaningless, or at least we have no responsibility for the choices we make because someone else already made them for us for reasons we can't comprehend (and presumably better informed than ours). Is this actually comforting? Or is it just accepted in fatalistic terms?

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posted July 08, 2014 09:00 PM            

Life is full of lots of unanswered questions. That's just the way it goes. That's why we have a brain and feelings, a heart, a conscious to make better judgements and decisions. Bad is bad. Good is good.

Taking a person's life isn't destiny, that's taking control over something that wasn't meant to be in your control in the first place.

posted July 08, 2014 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Yes, they do have fun together. My Sag daughter is a real joy. Everyone loves her. My biggest issue with her is that she doesn't understand personal space. She is constantly hugging people. My Aqua has that stellium in the 12 th house so she doesn't always come across very Aquarian. They both have loads of friends though. I am very close to my sister that has Sun and ASC in Sag. But her Scorpio Moon seems to override those.

What is up with all the Cancer bashing by the way? My Aquarian daughter is just as clingly as I was as a child. Cancer's are completely devoted to family. I'm the one in my family that keeps us all together now that my parents are gone. My Sag daughter as that stellium in the 4th house. She can be very clingy and emotional, too. There's nothing a Cancer won't do for their family!

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People have a problem with Cancers but I think Libras are much more irritating, especially if their abilities aren't honed in properly.

but nooo.. they're beautiful children of Venus!

posted July 08, 2014 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Not wanting to have a cancer baby (for example!) and getting a cancer baby could be a sign that, "hey, you need to learn to accept and love all of the signs".

I guess you'd have to look at the synastry but...
Even if you got the sun sign you want by all means does not mean that you would even come close to the child you want. Maybe you want a Scorpio for example and end up with a Scorpio that has Leo Stellium including moon.... And Aries asc. I mean... We all know that's possible. No one here is denying that. But to me it does make it pointless.

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posted July 08, 2014 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
This keeps popping up in my head somehow..
What do you think of parents who specifically plan a date of birth and time for their children to have to have certain desirable aspects?

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You're not secretly planning for baby, are ya? You better watch it...I'm on to you!

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Originally posted by Gabby:
No matter how it happens or how much ppl think they are controlling destiny the universe is still the one guiding everything to ensure everyone gets exactly what is meant to be theirs.

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Well said!

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I will say that if I planned my pregnancy years ago I wouldn't have wanted a Cancer. Not because Cancers are bad but because I'd have thought they'd need a lot more reassurance than someone like me could give.

And yet now I'm helping to raise a Cancer and we're extremely close. There's no way I'd be worried about having a Cancer now, or any other sign for that matter.

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Funny how fate works that way. The one thing you weren't desiring much turned out to be a great blessing.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Technically, if there is no control then there is no point in birth control, and furthermore there's no need for birth control because you'll only have the children you were meant to have. (I take it many who believe this were meant to have a lot of children...)

So do those who believe births are predestined so that the attempt to influence when a baby is born is pointless (or even offensive) ever use birth control? (That would include refraining from sex when pregnancy is likely since that could be used to help determine the placements of a child.) Am I understanding this correctly? Or can you also have children you weren't meant to have in addition to the ones you were meant to?

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That would be a great topic that I would suggest go to the SP if it wasn't for the wankery that would immediately follow. lol. I can already imagine the responses. If we are going to call women the w word for having a sex-related occupation, then no thanks Jeff.

posted July 08, 2014 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
^^^You can. I don't, a lot of women don't lol. Whatever happens, happens and was meant to be to me. I love the fall and if I have a baby in the middle of winter I won't give a crap, life is too short to do all of that.

^I have had bad experience after bad experience with them and don't care for them. If I have a Cancer child I'll love and treat them like I would any of my children. I wouldn't want to be 10 feet from a family full of water signs, especially Cancer and Scorpio That's way toooo much for everybody lol. That hardly happens anyway though so keep dreaming I guess

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You should see my boyfriend's family..
Dad: Scorpio
Mom: Cancer
Sister: Scorpio
Brother: Pisces
Him: Cancer

posted July 08, 2014 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
To be perceived in a tone of inquiry rather than contempt, condescension, self-righteousness, or personal attack:

Technically, if there is no control then there is no point in birth control, and furthermore there's no need for birth control because you'll only have the children you were meant to have. (I take it many who believe this were meant to have a lot of children...)

So do those who believe births are predestined so that the attempt to influence when a baby is born is pointless (or even offensive) ever use birth control? (That would include refraining from sex when pregnancy is likely since that could be used to help determine the placements of a child.) Am I understanding this correctly? Or can you also have children you weren't meant to have in addition to the ones you were meant to?

Conversely, would it mean you use birth control because the Fates have decided it's not time and therefore compelled you to use birth control? (If so then why can't someone trying to engineer the chart of their child also not be the fates at work?)

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posted July 08, 2014 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
^This is what I'd imagine them all to be like LOL. I can't even imagine what that's like.

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