posted July 31, 2014 08:22 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Funny thing is HE was the one that cheated on me!

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Typical. Cheaters typically are jealous regardless of their sun sign. It comes with the extreme selfishness and/or believing others have just as weak impulse control as the cheater does.

posted July 31, 2014 08:43 PM              

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
After too long of a time I got super fed up with it. Funny thing is HE was the one that cheated on me! I mean I'm a jealous person myself but that was something else. I guess the Scorpio and cap added a controlling aspect to it.

And what deepfreeze said. That's totally true, they're so easygoing in public but when you two are alone is when the true colors come out.

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posted July 31, 2014 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

I tell barbie, "just fuel the Leo fire, puff his ego a bit and kitty will purr."

All those in one person?
Run... Run far away!

Kidding... I wouldn't mess with them but it's really down to synastry. You should post the chart in interpersonal astrology. There's some really really good and talented people in there to help out.

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Oh yeah I always thought Leo were sort of more warm and fuzzy than Sags. But maybe it's just me being more used to them, since my dear sister is a Leo Sun with Leo Venus. And Scorpio Mars so we have more in common than one might think. (I have Leo Rising, too.) She's not the jealous type at all which is kind of odd, but then she has Aquarius Moon, maybe that's why.

Yess in one person. So hot. You can light matches off that temper, yet the typical Sag optimistic nature is also visible. But we aren't deeply in a relationship yet.
I used to date a guy who had Aries Sun, Aries Moon and Scorpio Venus, but this is a new combination and I want to have all the insider astro information. I need to rectify his chart, though, to get the houses exactly, because some of my planets end up right on the house borders and so do his.

I'm curious, why would you run? And which placements would make you run more than others?

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
And what deepfreeze said. That's totally true, they're so easygoing in public but when you two are alone is when the true colors come out.

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posted July 31, 2014 09:34 PM              

But it all depends. I'm sure that's how they would be with ME. You might be different, never know.

I mean like... The sag sun/moon guy, sag sun/moon/merc ex, and sag sun lots of cap ex.

For sure plain as day to me they would really put on quite the show to others. Be COMPLETELY cool and natural. Flirty, social, fun. As SOON as the two of you even get the car doors shut to go home..... Instantly.. "why did you say that? Now everyone probably thinks that you like her! DO YOU?" and on and on.

Or like the sag guy at work. Not even in the context of relationships, just at work. Someone would walk away. Immediately, "what do you think he meant by that? He was making a dig at me wasn't he?"

posted July 31, 2014 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Just the sag sun and Aries moon... Super aggressive.
Sag sun with the Scorpio, super jealous.

But it all depends. I'm sure that's how they would be with ME. You might be different, never know.

I mean like... The sag sun/moon guy, sag sun/moon/merc ex, and sag sun lots of cap ex.

For sure plain as day to me they would really put on quite the show to others. Be COMPLETELY cool and natural. Flirty, social, fun. As SOON as the two of you even get the car doors shut to go home..... Instantly.. "why did you say that? Now everyone probably thinks that you like her! DO YOU?" and on and on.

Or like the sag guy at work. Not even in the context of relationships, just at work. Someone would walk away. Immediately, "what do you think he meant by that? He was making a dig at me wasn't he?"

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So interesting!
Aries Sun + Moon guy was rather aggressive, too, but he was very straight-forward and honest about everything despite his Scorpio placement. What you saw was what you got with him. Played no games. He got jealous, he spoke his mind about it.

To think of it, Sag Sun is supposed to be... ehm, softer than double Aries?
But we have that classic Mars square Venus, too. He was hitting on me so hard since the very first moment, I think a more sensitive woman would have been scared off. But at the same time, yes, social and fun, smooth operator.

posted August 01, 2014 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by babybull82:
you're probably not going to get any sag to admit to being jealous. BUT the reality is you know & I know they exist

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This implies to me that you're saying anyone who doesn't agree with your assessment based on 2 Sags (whose chart we don't know anything other than their sun sign, or what the rest of the people you know are like) is lying or ("SHOCKED") ignorant. Maybe it's not how you intended it so I'm pointing it out for that reason. I don't mind your contribution other than what I think I see you implying about everyone with different experiences.

posted August 02, 2014 05:04 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Typical. Cheaters typically are jealous regardless of their sun sign. It comes with the extreme selfishness and/or believing others have just as weak impulse control as the cheater does.

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posted August 02, 2014 05:17 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
This implies to me that you're saying anyone who doesn't agree with your assessment based on 2 Sags (whose chart we don't know anything other than their sun sign, or what the rest of the people you know are like) is lying or ("SHOCKED") ignorant. Maybe it's not how you intended it so I'm pointing it out for that reason. I don't mind your contribution other than what I think I see you implying about everyone with different experiences.

Thing is the rest of us know Sags quite well, too. I've known several Sags well, had a father for one, grew up with a close friend who was a Sag (and had plenty of other Sag friends), dated both Sag boy when I was a teen (not that serious but we were around each other a lot for me to have noticed) and a Sag woman as an adult, and been close to many others and my experience doesn't matches yours at all. And it's not that I'm holding back or that I turned a blind eye to them (I can list plenty of other flaws), it's just my experience was different and your experiences aside I'm not going to assume that they're all prone to 2-faced jealous behavior simply based on their sun sign when I've yet to meet a Sag as you describe (though I'm sure they exist--what I'm not sure about is if it's their Sun sign that does it, or if they're serial cheaters which I can see turning into that regardless of their sign).

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posted August 02, 2014 05:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
Sag males I don’t know well enough, but I can definitely confirm that for Sag women.
All that I know are extremely jealous… Especially the one that is hardcore Sag: Sun, Mercury, Venus (all disposited by Leo Jupiter), all is flamed by Moon/Mars and probably also Capricorn Descendant. Others have Capricorn Venuses and their jealousy stems from self-consciousness. I think Sag’s are often jealous, because it’s likely they have either Cap or Scorpio Venus. In my opinion even Sag Venus is a jealous one, contrary to the common belief it’s free spirited etc., in the end it’s still a fiery Venus, that can’t help but burn in the intensity of it’s feelings.

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posted August 02, 2014 09:11 AM              

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Originally posted by babybull82:
Well apparently we're the only two people in the world who see this though... *shrugs*

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posted August 02, 2014 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
My cap sister with sag Venus and Scorpio Mars has displayed jealousy even in front of me but I don't think it's that bad honestly. Her Libra - aqua moon husband shrugs it off. lol

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posted August 02, 2014 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
People why did we connect jealousy with cheating now? They totally different things

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My experience is that the biggest cheaters are also expecting everyone else to cheat which they can't stand. Granted, those who aren't jealous would then instead be in polyamorous or open relationships (in which case it's no longer cheating, not unless they broke any conditions).

I've only had one person obsessed with jealousy over me to an absurd degree and found out (very slowly, I was such a trusting fool) that she was a serial cheater. And even after that traumatic experience I still don't get jealous myself because I expect better from people (however, my benefit of a doubt is less, but if I feel I can't trust someone then they're simply not allowed to be that close to me, you'll never see me making a habit of spying on a partner's phone or secretly following them, any breakup will happen before it reaches that point, and I've never spied on anyone's phone or secretly followed them even once as yet--and I have a Sag stellium, btw).

I've witnessed people who bring up the importance of monogamy or how they can't stand cheaters turn out to be cheaters themselves who were either trying to hide the fact from atop a high horse or projecting their own qualities into others (just as is done in many similar ways, such as the closeted gay politician who legislates against gays while seeking gay bathroom sex). Over and over again.

Going to a PTSD group as well as women's self-defense courses I met plenty of women fleeing domestic violence...many were terrorized and beaten by men who thought they were cheating (and worse, like one woman was beaten by her husband because a man got an erection visible in his jeans while talking to her) and yet more often than not the insanely jealous men were themselves serial cheaters (sadly, some women tolerated being beaten in jealous rages and only left due to the infidelity).

posted August 02, 2014 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
sags are competitive. They always compare themselves to others

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Not really (key word being "always"). My dad never got into drinking contests. A Sag guitarist I knew never competed against others and was just happy playing as well as us getting each other to laugh. A Sag boy I dated was pretty laid back (though as bad as me for over the top pranks). One Sag I know tends to look down on others over something academic (but not entirely without reason, IMO) though I think it's the Scorpio her chart and sheer frustration at not being able to have an intelligent conversation about certain topics, but when she can it's very give and take and not trying to one up the other.

I did know some skaters always trying to outdo the others which included Sags, but that seemed to be more of a boy thing. I myself am very athletic (Sag stellium) but don't care much about competition (especially if it requires team sports, I hate being bound by firm schedules as competitive team sports demands, which is why I don't join teams).

posted August 02, 2014 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
My experience is that the biggest cheaters are also expecting everyone else to cheat which they can't stand. Granted, those who aren't jealous would then instead be in polyamorous or open relationships (in which case it's no longer cheating, not unless they broke any conditions).

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Though you are spot on about Scorpio placements. xD I've never cheated on anyone--but hey, triple Scorpio here with Sun-Pluto conjunction. I just *know* almost everyone is a cheater, and if not, they are having naughty thoughts, because this world is a dark and twisted place and so are people's minds... I always expect the worst from everyone. I have a few friends with emotional Sag placements (like Moon) and I learned not to say that in front of them and especially about them, because they get offended sometimes, when I'm like "yeah I'm sure deep down you are a horrible person... give me a reason to doubt that and better make it convincing."

I'm rather competitive, btw, and I have Sag Mars. Not sure if it's that, though, might be other placements at work.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Aries, OTOH...I knew an Aries deluxe who joined every sports team she could in school and also racked up all the trophies and ribbons she could which she displayed in what I called "the shrine."

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posted August 02, 2014 08:43 PM              

And what starrynight said.
Sometimes it's not with yourself. It's knowing the world in which you live.

posted August 02, 2014 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
What about insecurity? When a person expects or fears being cheated on because they feel unworthy, like an impostor? "I'm not awesome enough to be loved by such an amazing person, so I'm sure they are going to fall for someone else any moment now"--like this?

Though you are spot on about Scorpio placements. xD I've never cheated on anyone--but hey, triple Scorpio here with Sun-Pluto conjunction. I just *know* almost everyone is a cheater, and if not, they are having naughty thoughts, because this world is a dark and twisted place and so are people's minds... I always expect the worst from everyone. I have a few friends with emotional Sag placements (like Moon) and I learned not to say that in front of them and especially about them, because they get offended sometimes, when I'm like "yeah I'm sure deep down you are a horrible person... give me a reason to doubt that and better make it convincing."

I'm rather competitive, btw, and I have Sag Mars. Not sure if it's that, though, might be other placements at work.

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I'm on that boat kinda. More like, I know no matter how hot and amazing and perfect a girl is, her boyfriend will still stare at random girls just because they got boobs. I feel like no matter who you are, you are powerless to stop a cheater if they are going to cheat. Even if you are the hottest and most perfect personality girl in the world, if your guys the cheating type, he'll still cheat on you. I've had men who had a a much more gorgeous girl on his arm look me up and down. I've been hit on by people with girlfriends and wives. I dated someone for a little but until I found out he had a long distance girlfriend! And I've been cheated on too.

Also, I act so crazy in a relationship I know I'm bound to drive everyone away.