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PisceanDream
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posted August 10, 2014 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
@Pisceandream I didn't mean it aggressively I just made a question out of what you said.

That doesn't really answer my question though. Why is it just Pisces and not both as in Neptune and Pisces that are dominant? The only logical explanation that makes sense is the one that I said.


I'm confused because your question does not necessarily follow from the point I was trying to make. However, this will answer your question:

Planetary dominants

A planet becomes dominant when it meets one of the following conditions:

It is posited near an angle of the natal chart (one of the angular houses, the most important ones, as we have explained in our article on houses).

It is posited in a sign of its rulership (in the case of a fast-moving planet).

It rules the Ascendant or the Sun.

It is the only planet tenanting a hemisphere (please check our article on planets' distribution).

It forms numerous aspects with other important points of the natal charts.

In general, natal charts have two or three planetary dominants, and sometimes, sub-dominants. For instance, the astrologer would talk about a Mars-Jupiter dominant with a Saturn background when Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are prominent, but Saturn is less powerfully highlighted than the former two planets.

Dominant signs

In their common practice, astrologers very often talk about dominant signs. Like with dominant planets, a set of rules is used to identify outstanding signs:

The solar sign,

The sign where the Ascendant is posited.

The sign where the Ascendant's ruler is posited.

These signs are already prominent.

In addition, there are other factors which give special emphasis to a sign, such as:

The sign where a stellium is found,

The sign where a planet is in conjunction with an angle of the natal chart, thus naturally highlighting the sign where the conjunction is found, etc.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 10, 2014 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Ok SSS I get what you're saying but I don't like being told what I'm feeling and how I'm feeling it, it makes me really angry quite honestly. I'm me and you are you.

BG you can't get so aggravated just because someone answers a question someone else posts. If you only want one answer tell people the answer you want and then tell them don't post if that's not what they have to say.

Say something like, "I feel like Venus in Pisces tell me why that is" and people will just talk about that. Leave Venus in Virgo out of it completely.

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posted August 10, 2014 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by WarriorPrincess7:
because pisces is your descendant, an important angle. Voila. is it? or occupying your 7th?

No.

Dsc is Aries and a tiny bit of Taurus finishing my 7th.
Pisces is my 6th and a tiny bit of my 5th, with nothing in either house.

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Doux Rêve
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posted August 10, 2014 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The method of calculation sucks and is inaccurate? lol

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Barbiegirl19
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posted August 10, 2014 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
BG you can't get so aggravated just because someone answers a question someone else posts. If you only want one answer tell people the answer you want and then tell them don't post if that's not what they have to say.

Say something like, "I feel like Venus in Pisces tell me why that is" and people will just talk about that. Leave Venus in Virgo out of it completely.


I'm not talking about that. I appreciate answers, I like to learn. It annoys me when people tell me how I am and how or what I feel. I know who I am and how I feel, not you. I don't give a crap what astro says.

Your responses are confusing. You say one thing one day and another the next day. So it's hard for me to ever understand.

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posted August 10, 2014 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's hard for me to see. It's like other people are the mirror.

But it's interesting.

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Doux Rêve
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posted August 10, 2014 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Typically Virgo Venus is quite critical and expects a lot from their SO. They get annoyed easily by mess and nonchalance, especially.

On the positive side they want to get to know their SO's likes and dislikes, what makes them tick. They'll pay attention to details and show practical care, OR they will want their SO to do that for THEM, so THEY can feel loved and appreciated.

So, if you feel cared for and loved when someone cleans after you or takes care of every day stuff, and asks you what you ate, or what you're up to (daily stuff), that points to Virgo energy.

I am sure there's a definite Neptunian vibe to your Venus though, DF. But I don't feel it's "Piscean" (yes, there's a difference). I like how PisceanDream described it.
But then again, we don't see that side of you on here much, so I could be wrong.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted August 10, 2014 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Supreme cT:
I have to agree that since your venus is getting double whammied by being in the house of pisces combined with the square of neptune that your love style is more venus in pisces especially the fact that you already have other planets in the 12th house so that pisces energy is really activated in your chart i firmly believe house placements/aspects can really change how a planet works, i dont know you personally but you dont seem like a venus in virgo you seem more watery in how you talk about barbie and love lol i can see venus in pisces especially with all the activity in your chart besides im sure its really hard for you and other people who dont kno you intimately to really see the difference considering your mars is in virgo as well

Exactly thank you hahaha. That's all that I was trying to say.

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WarriorPrincess7
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posted August 10, 2014 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarriorPrincess7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
smh lol

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posted August 10, 2014 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarriorPrincess7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
I would say a 12th house Venus in Virgo native is more Neptunian than Piscean. I think there's a difference here and that is to say that the person manifests Virgoan(Virgoic? Lol idk) energy through a Neptunian funnel. For example, their carefulness, precision, seriousness, and willingness to please in matters of love are done so privately, very ethereally, very sentimentally, magically even. You said he can be mushy and writes sweetly about you. That's his way of expressing his willingness to please and his observance in love, in Neptunian ways. Since, I've read somewhere, you guys have 12th house synastry that means that you tap into a side of him that isn't accessed by others which is why he is that way especially with/to you. And you have probably experienced the superlative of his Neptunian Venus in Virgo.

A Venus in Pisces nature is different. We are not precise, serious, careful, and detail-oriented when it comes to love. We look at the greater whole.. We want to fall in love with the world. At least that's how I feel... I want to merge with people unconditionally. Yes, we have an ideal partner and not many people fit our criteria but we are hard to pin down not only because of that but because we feel the need to spread this great transcendental love indefinitely which is why we have an "ideal" partner because we know that it is impossible to be in love with everything and everyone. So we want our ideal lover to be someone who literally feels like world consciousness to us. Someone who is just as transcendental as the love we want to give. We have many partners and can have feelings for more than one person because it is in our nature to do that. Finding ONE person who feels like planet earth, who feels like everyone is a task. That's why they would be considered "ideal".

Venus in Virgo nature is not like that which is why I say he expresses his Virgo love (focused, singular, careful) through Neptunian ways: unconditionally, poetically, deeply, spiritually.

All in all, there is some similarity due to the underlying themes between them but the nature in and attitude towards love is totally different.

Sorry for the long post. Hope this makes sense.


great analysis

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PisceanDream
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posted August 10, 2014 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SMH is an understatement.

@Doux: I appreciate it. Your response is 100% spot on and correct.

Someone whose Venus is in the 12th is *HIDDEN* and is only accessible to someone who has access to their 12th house. What ONE person may see, due to the access they have, so many others may not be able to see. Nobody is telling anyone what they feel or how to feel.

As for this thread, I don't know what answers people are expecting. I think some people here only want specific answers and are not keen on learning but rather keen on being right. I am so frustrated by this because it is getting personal, uneducational, silly, and selfish, and I would much rather stop contributing because I feel all the genuine effort I put has gone to waste. Thank you.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm not saying I'm more Venus Pisces or Virgo but seriously...

Why is Neptune lower rank and Pisces is higher rank?

I have three planets in Virgo in 12th and yes Virgo is #1 but why is Pisces #3?
I have no Pisces at all.
If the house is not playing even a moderate role in affecting the planets then why is pullen obviously considering it?

See what I'm saying? I have moon in Gemini but Gemini is after a sign that I don't even have anything in.

Get me?

Let's not act like we don't know what we're talking about. Explain that to me and then I'll give you your legit arguments that it can't be.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
SMH is an understatement.

@Doux: I appreciate it. Your response is 100% spot on and correct.

Someone whose Venus is in the 12th is *HIDDEN* and is only accessible to someone who has access to their 12th house. What ONE person may see, due to the access they have, so many others may not be able to see. Nobody is telling anyone what they feel or how to feel.

As for this thread, I don't know what answers people are expecting. I think some people here only want specific answers and are not keen on learning but rather keen on being right. I am so frustrated by this because it is getting personal, uneducational, silly, and selfish, and I would much rather stop contributing because I feel all the genuine effort I put has gone to waste. Thank you.


You can shake your head between my buttcheeks.
Don't treat us like we're stupid when you STILL fail to explain pullen's results.

You mentioned Stellium... Which would point to my Virgo. But why is Pisces 3rd in line?

Show some respect

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 10, 2014 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I don't see why it would say Virgo and Pisces when you have sun in its domain...that would make the sun very strong. You also have Venus in Virgo and that's in fall. So...your sun is the strongest one because it is in the sign it rules...

Virgo is definitely emphasized since you have Mercury there but the sun rules Leo and it is the focal point of the chart.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
SMH is an understatement.

@Doux: I appreciate it. Your response is 100% spot on and correct.

Someone whose Venus is in the 12th is *HIDDEN* and is only accessible to someone who has access to their 12th house. What ONE person may see, due to the access they have, so many others may not be able to see. Nobody is telling anyone what they feel or how to feel.

As for this thread, I don't know what answers people are expecting. I think some people here only want specific answers and are not keen on learning but rather keen on being right. I am so frustrated by this because it is getting personal, uneducational, silly, and selfish, and I would much rather stop contributing because I feel all the genuine effort I put has gone to waste. Thank you.



That's not true. What you guys are saying is only answering one part and not the whole thing. Please don't take it personally. As it's not that serious. We all have our opinions, that comes with the territory of being human.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
And I don't see why it would say Virgo and Pisces when you have sun in its domain...that would make the sun very strong. You also have Venus in Virgo and that's in fall. So...your sun is the strongest one because it is in the sign it rules...

I thought the same thing.

So it's down to two things.

People here are unreliable or pullen is.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Exactly. Why is it my second most dominant and I don't have any Pisces? It's because the house is the most influential!

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posted August 10, 2014 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say somewhat Piscean but not as Piscean as someone who has stuff going on in Pisces. Like, for instance, Venus in Pisces is stronger than Venus in the twelfth house so it would be more receptive and like I described than Venus in twelfth. It would be more pronounced in Pisces.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We know that and have said that... The answer that needs to be answered can't be because I've already answered it in the most logical way. It has to be.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You cannot discount Leo. This sign would make you managerial while Pisces is kinda more wishy washy and likes for others to decide stuff - kinda like Libra energy.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pullen is sh**.

Sorry but I don't think it's reliable, never have.

Check out the Color Horoscope instead. Not saying it's more reliable but to *me* personally it makes more sense.


Cheers.

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posted August 10, 2014 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
You can shake your head between my buttcheeks.
Don't treat us like we're stupid when you STILL fail to explain pullen's results.

You mentioned Stellium... Which would point to my Virgo. But why is Pisces 3rd in line?

Respect or gtfo


Your rudeness is impeccable. It is not my job to explain your Pullen results, I'm not your servant. I never even brought up anything related to Pullen in my posts nor was my idea headed in that direction whatsoever. You're the one who needs to be respectful and mindful of others. Everyone here has the right to an opinion and to rudely undermine people's ideas and to seek only to be right in a forum when everyone is trying to learn defeats the purpose of this entire website.

This hostile and sensitive behavior needs to stop immediately and you better watch how you speak with me. I'm not your friend.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted August 10, 2014 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@SSS No one is doing that. I said the house is the most potent, then the sign that rules that house and then your sign. It's the only way that makes sense.

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WarriorPrincess7
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posted August 10, 2014 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarriorPrincess7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can you post your chart? maybe we will find an answer if we see the chart.

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Doux Rêve
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posted August 10, 2014 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's not turn this thread into a mosh pit, shall we?

Please don't feed the conflict.

Thanks.

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