posted September 14, 2014 06:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Freesia:
Hi,
what aspects show that HE is in love with YOU?
I know the question is too simple. But I'm a bit confused. I was seeing a person I had my Venus trine to his Sun and I thought I would love him but there are allmost no feelings from my side. Yes I like him but that's it.
He is deeply in love, his Venus is sesquisquare to my Sun (and no Pluto involved).

Basically I would like to ask you, what aspects show which one is in love, the Sun/Moon person or Venus person ... or maybe without Pluto there are never any strong feelings there...

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Its individual from person to person, and you need his correct birth time to figure out. The rulers of his 5th and 7th house tells about partnership/romance, and any planets he got in these houses.
If you put your planet in these houses in his chart, it is very likely that he sees you as an ideal romantic partner or spouse (and it will spike his romantic and loving feelings for you)

the 8th house could also be an indicator… but it is more about lust and sex than actual love (I think)

His sun, moon and venus aspect to your planets in synastry will also tell you about how "involved" he is. If his moon and venus isn't aspected it is likely that he doesn't feel the relationship in a deeper level. But if his 7th house ruler is his mercury and his mercury is deeply aspected, then it's likely he could be very much involved emotionally anyways.

posted September 14, 2014 07:23 AM            

Thank you for sheding light. Ok, so basically without birth time there is allmost no way to tell if he is truly in love or just having a flirt

posted September 14, 2014 07:56 AM            

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the 8th house could also be an indicator… but it is more about lust and sex than actual love (I think)

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posted September 14, 2014 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]the 8th house could also be an indicator… but it is more about lust and sex than actual love (I think)

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But there is some degree of "possessiveness" when the 8th house is involved. the 5th house also shows which partner we find suitable for romantic relationship - not necessarily long-therm though. So yeah, the 5th house is not a house that shows someone is deeply in love…

posted September 15, 2014 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Freesia:
@next to neptune

Thank you for sheding light. Ok, so basically without birth time there is allmost no way to tell if he is truly in love or just having a flirt

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posted September 15, 2014 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I don't buy that it's useless to look at a chart without an exact birth time. It's not ideal, and you'll be missing stuff, but you can still glean basic information. Obviously, you won't know the ASC and other angles, or the houses. But you can still see most planetary degrees and aspects (the Moon being the most likely to be off, if I remember correctly).

The figure I've seen is that a non-birth time chart will be about 70% accurate.

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posted September 15, 2014 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
70% accurate? that is aka inaccurate. synastry relies on house positions, simple as that. without TOB you cannot generate the natal correctly, which you also need to see what impact the planets might make on someone. it is also (usually) the case that when someone does not know TOB they are just investigating a "crush" or someone they actually don't have an existing relationship with. most people in a relationship will be able to ask for a TOB from their partner. so lots of wasted time and effort go into helping people who are just messing about :-)

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Starmoon, as usually hitting the nail

Delilah, I agree with you, you can tell a lot from the aspects, however there's no way of telling how the other person is impacted: for example you can have romantic aspects hitting their non-romantic houses, it's very unlikely they'll perceive you as a romantic partner: the energy of the aspects will be sublimated/transferred into those houses. For example having a Venus/Mars conjunction with your female boss will not make anyone gay: it will be feeling close and sometimes even aggressive with each other.
Without knowing the rulers it's hard to establish someone's preferences, their type. A Cancer Sun in the 8th may be completely different from a Cancer Sun in the 3rd.

Without TOB, you don't know the position of the Moon, you just have a range for it. No Vertex either. No angles, so you don't have angle connections, always present in connective synastries.

Plus, the composite is practically useless without the houses, there's no way to interpret the meaning of the composite aspects, you just have a Sun conjunct Venus or Sun square Pluto millions of composites have. You can only say generalities without the houses in the composite.

Of course, you can tell these generalities about the aspects without TOB, but I agree with Starmoon here, the houses are crucial.

posted September 18, 2014 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Houses are crucial but to what extent can they give us a glimpse of what "deeply in love" is? The reason why I say it won't tell us much about the depth of love is because there is no house placement that can indicate that. A combination of the 5th, 7th, 8th are only meaningful in conjunction with aspects, and if there are no potent aspects and house placements then we have a situation where feelings are harvested in a native without there being a real and substantial connection. Why is it that there are romantic synastries that have conjunctions with rulers of houses and no "romantic" house overlays but the feeling of being deeply in love still exists? I'm not arguing that house overlays aren't crucial just that can never signify true love alone, while certain aspects might just do that without house overlays. I speak from experience and analysis...

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posted September 18, 2014 09:21 PM            

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