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GoingDutch
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posted November 08, 2014 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoingDutch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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next to neptune
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posted November 08, 2014 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GoingDutch:

Your Libra is different, next to neptune.How was his upbringing? Normal right? Your the lucky girl, not sure about me.
My Libra have a bio-father who was in and out of jail, and dead. His mom was busy with getting her life back together, she didn't concentrate on teach him, he grow up roaming around the street.

I read your posts in the forum, you said your Libra is like a prince, and romantic, and didn't have much sexual exprience before you. ---That is a keeper right there, husband type.

My Libra said all his one night stand are PURELY PHYSICAL, and he doesn't even stay after sex, he leave right away after he finished the 'sex'. === and yes, this is his own words. I asked if he next day at least text to say 'thank you' to those girls, he say No. No text, no keep in touch. smh. I'm sure your Libra is not this irresponsible. Right?
I know my Libra isn't into poly stuff, but he sure can sleep around. I'm right in his own hood, so he gonna have to skip 2-3 hoods over to find girls, lol.

Does anyone here think 'sleeping around',or 'one night stands' things to be considered as Poly?


Thanks, yeah I really hope so too! My boyfriend seems very emotional stable for a pisces moon boy... I thought he would be more insecure, but when it goes worse he just talks about traveling and his dreams, and then I let him, though it's hard sometimes (feels like I'm not involved in his future plans lol) but I guess it's just some form of escapism (a trait for pisces moon)

But yeah, I must admit that if a guy once had this tendency, and he knows it's easy to get something, then it just sounds realistic that he could do it again, once the "escapism" kicks in. There is different forms of escapism (running from reality) and if your guy found sex to be one, then he really needs to change it into something else. Does he like travellin, or does he have some kind of hobby?

I think "sleeping around" with a partner who knows about it is just an "open relationship". If both partner see another person on the side and both are aware of it then it's a poly... but cheating around with no awareness of the partner, that is just what it is, cheating

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posted November 08, 2014 07:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
I think it would be more accurate to say, within the modernist/post-modernist framework, that, through colonization, the West was attempting to indoctrinate into Arab societies Western ideologies, culture, language, and ideals; all the while, the main agenda was the exploitation of their resources for economic prosperity. They couldn't give a rats a$$ what those "indigenous, base, barbaric animals" believed.

I just wanted to clarify this as both a Muslim and an Arab... I think there is enough misinformation in this world about Muslim identity and Arab identity, as concepts both mutually exclusive and conjoined.

Polygamy in Islam is a rather complicated issue that I'd rather not get into seeing as this is not a topic important to the thread...


Please understand I agree with this 100%, I was being sarcastic and have a twisted sense of humor but was actually mocking Christianity/Western ideologies...

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DeepFreeze
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posted November 08, 2014 07:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So it's OK to mock.... But if I even remotely LOOK like I disagree, WWIII breaks out.

Just pointing out a double standard.
I don't even care about the mocking...it's holding me to one standard and yourself to another. Which I didn't even mock or anything. Had nothing to do with religion whatsoever and look what I got.

Your apology meant nothing.
Carry on.

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DeepFreeze
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posted November 08, 2014 07:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PD

Sorry, "that very thing" being sabotage.

But you know what? I've thought about it and it's kind of a blur. (what I talked about yesterday)
I don't know what to say. I not sure what to think about it.
I feel that I did do that but I also suddenly feel like I want to keep it to myself. I felt more open yesterday and today I'm closing up on this topic.

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FireMoon
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posted November 08, 2014 07:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not worth it.

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DeepFreeze
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posted November 08, 2014 08:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trust me. I have no problem having the "balls" to say anything. Ask Ami what she thinks about Mars conjunct Mercury. You waste your time reading between lines that don't exist.
I was accused of attacking based on religion.
If it were about that, I would have said so.
Your reaction tells me that you still believe that is true.

I attacked character because her character SUCKS. She's attacked myself and many many others countless times (without provocation!!). She also has double standards. Attacking others and not expecting to get attacked. If I attacked her character, then why was I attacked for religion?

You all attack religion, and attack those who disagree with your view.

This is the truth, right here.
I attacked because she deserved so.
I attack you because you also deserve so. (Because of making wrong accusations of me, then, and even now, and attacking me for it - at least then you did)

Something you will learn about me as you go on, if you haven't already.

I NEVER forget (in threads far gone, even from a year ago involving other members)
I rarely forgive
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posted November 08, 2014 08:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PD


Another time.
Sorry.

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themischievousone
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posted November 08, 2014 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for themischievousone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GoingDutch:
Yeah, and my Libra have a Uranus in 7th House, as well as a Saturn in his 7 House too. And His Moon/Mars opposition is at negative -2.5 degrees.
And a packed 5 House.

I can't find any clue to him being a cheater in person, so I am using astrology to criticize him.

I guess my Gemini Moon always at work, I'm obsessed with find faults in his natal chart.


Be lucky you cannot find a clue of him being a cheater in person! I think astrology only shows potential.

Unfortunately my ex repeatedly liked to pay for certain services (ahem) and never really broke up with some of his exes... He happened to have a packed 5th and 2 planets in 7th house.

Gemini moon? *high five* I don't look for faults in charts, I just like to look at them

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PisceanDream
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posted November 08, 2014 09:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by whaaat:
What about an art thread?

Hmm, what exactly do you have in mind? We need to manipulate LL well so they join in. I can't help that I have a Gemini Moon and neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed to know what everyone looks like. Sigh.

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PisceanDream
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posted November 08, 2014 10:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Please understand I agree with this 100%

Phew! Just wanted to clarify, no hard feelings

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PisceanDream
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posted November 08, 2014 10:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
PD


Another time.
Sorry.


Oh no, there's no need to apologize and no pressure at all. I understand. If you ever have a change of heart and decide to flesh it out in the open, you're more than welcome to do so. I'm all ears (or eyes )

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DeepFreeze
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posted November 08, 2014 10:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Hmm, what exactly do you have in mind? We need to manipulate LL well so they join in. I can't help that I have a Gemini Moon and neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed to know what everyone looks like. Sigh.

I already know what MANY people here look like, and names to faces. Including you! LOL

I have a very sharp memory.

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PisceanDream
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posted November 08, 2014 10:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I already know what MANY people here look like, and names to faces. Including you! LOL

I have a very sharp memory.


LOOOL! My pictures are still out there floating. I don't care enough to remove them. There are a couple of faces I know but many I still am very curious to see. Including yours!

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DeepFreeze
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posted November 08, 2014 10:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
LOOOL! My pictures are still out there floating. I don't care enough to remove them. There are a couple of faces I know but many I still am very curious to see. Including yours!

There's actually VIDEO out there of me - on LL
"Post a video - show your astrological energy."
Page.... 11 if I remember.
It's an older video. About... 5 years old. I've changed my look a little bit.

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PisceanDream
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posted November 08, 2014 10:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
There's actually VIDEO out there of me - on LL
"Post a video - show your astrological energy."
Page.... 11 if I remember.
It's an older video. About... 5 years old. I've changed my look a little bit.

*Runs at the speed of light to stalk*

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posted November 08, 2014 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GoingDutch:
And I was wondering, in a polyamory family, would it effect the children?

My Libra was in 11 grade, his teens years when his step dad come into the picture. Even till now, he can't seem to accept the step dad.
I heard that the older the child is, the harder it is to accept a step parent? This guy wants nothing to do with emotional issues that are difficult for him, so he just avoid facing it.

I know step parents are just part of polyamory, but if children growing up in a polyamory family, how should they be raise, how do they reacts when go to school with other children? Anyone have experience in this? care to share on how you teach your child?


That depends on those involved. Generally speaking if kids feel safe then they'll react positively to it (though you'll have to be careful of say one going to another for permission if s/he doesn't get the answer desired from the first person asked, or even try to use one against the other on what is allowed, what one does, etc...obviously, don't allow that to work). Kids don't recognize it as strange so aren't likely to treat it like a big deal unless others do.

I expect it's much like me with my extended family. I grew up with cousins like siblings, and knew my aunts and uncles and others before I even knew my mom and dad...mom taking me back (just to spite Granny) was one of the worst things to happen to me.

For documents, that would depend on the arrangement. Generally speaking the kids are labeled according to the mother, though paternal surname is used when possible, of course (or whichever name is put on the birth certificate for father). Only the mother and legal father would have rights to sign documents and forms for the school, just as only mom and dad could for me when I was with my extended family (when I was sent to live with Granny the school gave Granny a form that Mom had to sign that gave her guardianship over me and after that her signature worked as well as Mom's, though it was more of a formality).

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GoingDutch
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posted November 08, 2014 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoingDutch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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OMFG DF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear I'm being totally honest here... I was actually cracking up at so many of the things you said. YOU'RE HILARIOUS! Remember in that one post how I said Leo humor is the type I can't help but laugh at although I kinda hate to. Yupp. I was cracking up and shaking my head Absolute and total LEO! And that Gem Moon is flaring. Not a sense of the Virgo. Like not an ounce, even. Amazing how all your Virgo planets are 12th, and they truly are hidden! SUCH A LEO! Sorry, I'm rambling because I'm excited LOL. Ugh Gem Moon... But yeah, your energy is totally different in writing than it is in person. I get what you mean now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I need to calm down. LOL.)

Also, how did you change your look?

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
OMFG DF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear I'm being totally honest here... I was actually cracking up at so many of the things you said. YOU'RE HILARIOUS! Remember in that one post how I said Leo humor is the type I can't help but laugh at although I kinda hate to. Yupp. I was cracking up and shaking my head Absolute and total LEO! And that Gem Moon is flaring. Not a sense of the Virgo. Like not an ounce, even. Amazing how all your Virgo planets are 12th, and they truly are hidden! SUCH A LEO! Sorry, I'm rambling because I'm excited LOL. Ugh Gem Moon... But yeah, your energy is totally different in writing than it is in person. I get what you mean now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I need to calm down. LOL.)

Also, how did you change your look?


I tell people! They don't listen! There's so much personality that simply CAN'T be expressed here.

Anyway, I'm probably a LITTLE thinner.
My hair is a little bit longer. That was pretty short.
Then I changed to "chin straps" instead of a goatee.
Right at the moment though I'm growing out full beard.

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LovelyKitty
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posted November 08, 2014 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So , my assume from your input for the polygamy chart could be ...

1. heavy Venus activity :
- square /opposed by Jupiter , which over- indulge the venus in love life.
- square /opposed by Uranus , needless to say .

2. Heavy load 5th house : especially personal planets in here and /or Jupiter , Uranus, neptune

3. Uranian character : strong uranian type ( Uranus aspect to any 4 angles, sun , in 1st House, vertex , Node ) and also uranus aspect to love planets ( moon, venus, mars) in natal .

In my personal idea , Heavy load in 7th H might not show as polygamy but multiple marriage could be consider .

I think for the awareness of the polygamy , should have 2 out of 3 from list above .

For me , I can accept polygamy as long as it's not cheating .

If one day my bf come to tell me he want to have another woman , I would be extremely deprived but I would give him the credit for his faithful manner . But after that , honestly , I just really don't know which road should I take ? Should I find someone else also or should I pack my bag and leave.

I have natal venus square mars , mars conjunct uranus , my NN -conjunct venus, square uranus (exact), square mars , mars/uranus sextile jupiter . SN in5th , empty 7th House . And I do think this polygamy might work but not for me when I am in relationship.

Thanks u for such an interesting discuss here
xoxo
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posted November 08, 2014 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GoingDutch:
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I can't find any clue to him being a cheater in person, so I am using astrology to criticize him.

I guess my Gemini Moon always at work, I'm obsessed with find faults in his natal chart.


Nope , your scorpio mars does !

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posted November 08, 2014 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, a nitpick.

Can we please begin by defining WHAT we're looking at astrologically?

Polygamy: man with many female partners
Polyandry: woman with many male partners
Polyamory: unisex nonmonogamy with commitment
Polysexual: unisex noncommittal nonmonogamy
Blended family: stepparents / children dynamics

That would really be a fine start. Otherwise I fear there will be a lot of talking in circles.

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GoingDutch
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posted November 08, 2014 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoingDutch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 08, 2014 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
You're right. There probably isn't much data on it. I have his chart and birth time to the minute. I can post it, if you're interested. I'll also be taking a look at Dossie Easton's chart and see if there's any similarity between the two.

Also, I'm surprised there's a book on polyamory that involves astrology as well. Super cool!

And, please, do post the guy's chart or fill me in on its details, if you don't mind! Thanks


It isn't rare. We have statistical data. In fact, a growing relational style is the 'monogomish' model, coined by Dan Savage. Think of it as open-marriage with strict rules; a husband may be allowed certain 'passes' from his wife, a wife may be allowed the same (or to engage in secondary relationships -- women are still, generally, more inclined to an emotional component, though there are plenty who are strictly polysexual).

Certain monogamish couples never have multiple partners; the option is simply allowed. Plenty are open both ways, (both partners can have secondary relationships / or encounters, given their negotiations) and many more open one-way. It's easiest to categorise the whole thing as 'nonmonogamy', since it can be defined SO many ways.

Being a therapist in the alternative lifestyles population, this is a large per centage of my clientele. Statistically speaking, it isn't rare any more. Are we open about it? Ironically, not very. As you've said, it's still considered societally taboo.

That doesn't mean it isn't happening. A lot.

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