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Topic: Can you find Narcissism in the natal chart?
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I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 9541
From: Mordor
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posted February 01, 2015 03:51 PM
  
Blind loyalty is worse than no loyalty.------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 01, 2015 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Blind loyalty is worse than no loyalty.
Are you a Libra Moon 
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I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 9541
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posted February 01, 2015 04:34 PM
Yes, and if we were friends you wouldn't get applause for everything you do and say, I'm so sorry  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 01, 2015 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Yes, and if we were friends you wouldn't get applause for everything you do and say, I'm so sorry
Well, I have a few articles on loyal Moons, which I may put up. I realize that I only want to get close to certain Moons, like really close, true heart friends. They would be Cancer, Cappi, Taurus, and Leo. I think Scorpio would be in there, too, but I never attract Scorpio moons, for some reason. They may be too intense for the Gemini placements. Loyalty is THE most important value to me. I won't invest my heart in people who don't see loyalty as I do ------------------
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SoujiroSeta
Knowflake Posts: 46
From: Nothingness
Registered: Oct 2013
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posted February 01, 2015 05:43 PM
Yes, I'm a libra moon.I agree with I'm so cappy. I think what you're looking for ami anne is blind loyalty. There is a difference from loyalty and blind loyalty. I'm also a sun/merc/mars in cancer as well. I have sun/merc/venus in 7th house. I can never act only on emotion or logic. Either side disconnects you from the other. I have to understand both sides of the story before making a move. Speaking or narcissism, I don't think astrology can show that, but if we were just going on astrological stereotypes here, then I'd say a mixture of aqua/11th house and leo/5th house. Aquas can have the whole "I'm right and you're wrong", "My way or the highway" type thinking. You mix this in with leo/5th house, which is the cliche "look at me. Stop what you're doing and simply LOOK AT ME" sign, then you have someone who not only thinks they are above everyone else (aqua), but who also wants everyone to know that they are above everyone else (leo). I hate to point fingers but lets take a look at
the human ken doll Justin Jedlica, who has had surgery after surgery to look like ken [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2289952236/image.jpg[/IMG]
and human barbie doll Valeria Lukyanova, who has also had surgery after surgery to look like barbie
 Surprisingly (coincidentally?), they both 2 personal planets in leo, and 1 personal planet in cancer. They could also share a personal planet in virgo depending on the ken guys moon. Valeria Lukyanova has uranus in her chart too. Don't know if their birth times are known, so houses IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 01, 2015 06:29 PM
Yes, there is a real difference in loyalty with the signs. To me, if someone I love needs me, I don't ASK what happened, I am on their side. I don't try to "figure out" if they are right or wrong. I jump in and I defend them. That is what I want in a friend. If the person has to take the time to figure it out, they are not worth being my friend lol
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DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 4117
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 01, 2015 06:47 PM
That's the kind of thing that gets you into trouble and stunts personal growth for both you and your friend.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 01, 2015 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
That's the kind of thing that gets you into trouble and stunts personal growth for both you and your friend.
NOPE
It is my value and the friends I have share it. If not, they are not my friends. Period End lol
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DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 4117
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posted February 01, 2015 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
NOPEIt is my value and the friends I have share it. If not, they are not my friends. Period End lol
Well then obviously I'm not your friend.
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 01, 2015 07:06 PM
Casual "friends" are one thing but DEEP, heartfelt friends are another.
I don't expect the kind of loyalty I am talking about from casual "friends", just deep heartfelt friends.
In those cases, if you can't have someone's back, you are not a friend imo ------------------
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PixieJane
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posted February 01, 2015 08:03 PM
My mom who has a lot of narcissistic qualities (and am pretty sure she'd be diagnosed with it) shares some traits: She's a Leo ASC (and 1H Leo Mars) along with 4H Scorpio sun (with other placements including Venus) conjunct IC. Yet as an adult I could see how her life made her the way she is, especially as the first major event that would so twist her was on a visionary (but very obnoxious) hippie commune (and Mom has 8H Pisces along with Pisces Jupiter) in which she not only endured abuse but transformed by all the touchy feely philosophies gone bad...and Pisces can pick up a lot regardless of whether it's good or bad (and her brain was still developing back then). It wasn't the only thing that made her that way but I do believe that had she not ever been on that commune that she wouldn't have become a narcissist despite all the other events she endured and would be a different person today. IP: Logged |
Iced8Ace
Knowflake Posts: 141
From: CA
Registered: Aug 2014
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posted February 01, 2015 08:25 PM
I'm mildly surprised no one has said Sun Leo combust Venus. I know a man with that placement and he is too into himself, putting it bluntly. I have strong 7th house (in water) and feel the need to cut in... Water moons are not loyal at all, quite selfish actually. If they become insecure (they do not even need physical proof sometimes) they will have no problem hurting you. I, in good conscious, cannot support someone like that because when we reach a fork in the roads and I take my own path, I know they will reach out and stab me in the back sooner then remembering their so called "loyalty". If you need me to serve yourself, there is something very wrong there. Saturn is also conjunct my moon-mercury... any water sign who meets me knows they cannot sway me to baby their caprices. I don't support dogma or dependence. If you were truly right, there would be a firmness and independence about you.. you would not require any help and yet you would draw people towards you then. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 01, 2015 08:50 PM
I never thought of the Venus combust in terms of this. I do think the Merc/Sun combust is a very important factor and especially if it is exact or close to exact.------------------
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goatcat
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posted February 01, 2015 10:39 PM
What do the doll people have to do with narcicissim?IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted February 01, 2015 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, there is a real difference in loyalty with the signs. To me, if someone I love needs me, I don't ASK what happened, I am on their side. I don't try to "figure out" if they are right or wrong. I jump in and I defend them. That is what I want in a friend. If the person has to take the time to figure it out, they are not worth being my friend lol
That is what people are referring to when it comes to your favoritism on this board and how what matters to you is who does or says what (and to whom) rather than what was actually done or said (that is, how you react is based entirely on how you feel about the individuals involved rather than any objective sense). Next time someone calls you on that then don't deny it, just explain your views on loyalty as you did in this thread, and you'll at least be in agreement about what's happening and can explain away the disagreement on whether this is a good or bad thing based on the moons. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 01, 2015 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Casual "friends" are one thing but DEEP, heartfelt friends are another.
I don't expect the kind of loyalty I am talking about from casual "friends", just deep heartfelt friends.
In those cases, if you can't have someone's back, you are not a friend imo
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DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 4117
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
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posted February 02, 2015 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Casual "friends" are one thing but DEEP, heartfelt friends are another.
I don't expect the kind of loyalty I am talking about from casual "friends", just deep heartfelt friends.
In those cases, if you can't have someone's back, you are not a friend imo
So hypothetically, I'm a very dear friend of yours. It's out of my character but I'm just freaking out. I want to pop this chick in the nose and make her bleed all over herself. You'd have my back? Not even ask why?
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 02, 2015 08:20 AM
This is not personal with you and me, DF. If I am close to someone, love someone and/or have let them into my heart, I KNOW their CHARACTER. Hence, if they have ANY problem, I am on their side. If I am wrong, I can live with that more than letting a friend down. So, yes, I would err on the side of being loyal, no questions asked than letting someone down and I have done that and screwed up but I can live with it more than the other way.------------------
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DeepFreeze
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posted February 02, 2015 08:48 AM
It's not personal. Just hypothetical. I knew you'd say that you know their character but the thing is. I've done things that I never thought I would or have seen others do that.
We all do things out of the norm sometimes or make huge mistakes. You're saying that you'd support them blindly.
I'm saying that I'd want someone to respectively set me straight. Man... I'd sure be thankful later I'm sure. But carry on. I just wondered what your response would be. Pretty much what I thought it would be.
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DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 4117
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posted February 02, 2015 09:13 AM
Anyway...
Derailed this enough. 
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Ami Anne
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posted February 02, 2015 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Anyway...
Derailed this enough.
Sorry!
No problem, DF! It is cool!
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Ami Anne
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posted February 02, 2015 01:14 PM
I am gonna do an article on it and will add some of the things you said. If there is anything else, add it to that when I post it, if you want.------------------
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theunknown
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posted February 02, 2015 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by goatcat:
How do you find narcissism in the natal chart? Can it be cured?
You can choose to see that the way your energy interact with others' bring out certain energy from them. We all have been in relationships where you are not usually easily irritated but a person brings it out from you.You can choose to think that a placement in one chart is only ONE manifestation of an energy and not a CONCLUSION of what that energy is like. I have troubles getting along with Libra but there's one very loyal Libr who has mentored me for a few years now. I could never have experienced her love, experiences and be a part of her journey if I chalk up that libra= a,b,c,d.
In this case narscism is how you experienced this person. But the YOU part is integral in this experience and you can choose to disengage or keep thinking you can "cure" someone. All of this doesnt mean astrology cannot predict. It predicts that someone with strong saturnian energy likes structure, it predicts that sun-pluto individuals more often than not have problems with the father. It predicts the likelihood of a person with certain placements to manifest certain energy. Astrology doesn't conclude anything. If you choose to chalk up that aspect A = problem B in a person, you will miss out a lot in life. Look at George Bush, the Cancerian president for empathy  You can find examples to contradict EVERY overly conclusive statement one wants to make.
But what to do if over-simplification makes people feel safe; they don't have to face their own illogical thoughts or their ego or their emotional patterns. I'm writing this because I'm tired of the responses on this board. If your experiences with someone make you think the person is narcissistic, you can choose to move on or to accept that such person's emotional needs are to feel admired, respected and reassured. But to wait here for all these members to tell you their own illogical conclusions from personal interactions with their one ex, or horrible mother, father, room mate is really unproductive. I know I have done it. I have chalked up all my experiences with someone to their placements so that the *I part in the relationship isn't responsible. But that's not the reality
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