posted February 22, 2015 03:55 AM            

With a CHIRON/LILITH opposition, essentially forming a 0º Fixed Cross, the CHIRON 'solution' is the SNODE, while the LILITH's resolved by the NNODE.

Conversely, and something I find fascinating, is that my Guardian's SNODE last conjoined LILITH (prenatal). His skipped step is JUPITER/OSIRIS -- the former is NNODE-resolved, while OSIRIS' solution is SNODE.

My OSIRIS is also 0º conjunct my NNODE.

posted February 22, 2015 08:46 AM            

People, people, get your karmic lives together it's very embarrassing.

posted February 22, 2015 09:03 AM            

I'm just an amateur who knows little of astrology. Viri do think that skipped steps should just be read as srnsituve pints triggering nodal issues and not something more past live related.

posted February 22, 2015 09:29 AM            

That would be a skipped step wouldn't it?

And it would mean that he has something to solve in terms of Karma with me.Which is ironic given it's my asteroid karma squaring his nodes.

posted February 22, 2015 04:15 PM            

This makes my chart somewhat...more like a puzzle that's starting to come together, I suppose.

My Sun is Chart Ruler (conjunct BML), and so Leo is in 12/1h.
NN is in 5H conjunct Neptune.

My Sun and Moon are both in intercepted houses (or my Sun and Moon are both intercepted, I'm not sure how to word that). In 8h and 2h, respectively.

I realize that I don't have the in-depth understanding of astrology that many of you do, so please try to bear with my posts.

posted February 22, 2015 07:08 PM            

Re natal Saturn-Uranus square the nodes, a possibility as to its meaning is that because Saturn and Uranus are conjunct, it may mean the skipped step has to do with not integrating these two archetypal principles. What can happen when these planets are in major aspect, particularly the hard aspects, is that we identity with one planet, and reject and split off the other. The latter is then projected on other people who represent that planet in our life and it can trigger conflicts.

When Saturn is unintegrated or unconscious, Uranus can manifest negatively as ineffective rebellion, stubborn eccentricity, rigid nonconformity, unreliability, erratic cheageability, conflicts with authority figures, or problems with money or handling the material plane. Saturn dominant and Uranus unintegrated or unconscious can manifest as accidents.

It is my opinion that when two planets are conjunct, they are inseparable. You can't have one without the other. If what is being said applies, it may be that you are being asked to find a way for these two planets to work together, rather than against each other. Whether this configuration means this is a "skipped step" or not, the conjunction suggests the kind of work to be done in the current life.

posted February 22, 2015 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
It is my opinion that when two planets are conjunct, they are inseparable. You can't have one without the other. If what is being said applies, it may be that you are being asked to find a way for these two planets to work together, rather than against each other. Whether this configuration means this is a "skipped step" or not, the conjunction suggests the kind of work to be done in the current life.

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posted February 22, 2015 11:07 PM            

The rest is a bit muddled. Okay, quite a bit muddled. -__-

Also, my NN/SN are on the very cusps of my 4/5h and 10/11h (respectively). So that's a bit odd as well.

posted February 23, 2015 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
DeepFreeze, I have the same placement and can definitely see a skipped step when it comes to discipline. I'm the kind of person who always leaves things for the last moment, I procrastinate both things I find enjoyable and not-so-enjoyable. I've been working on it lately and when I have better control of how I manage my time, I feel truly empowered. Saturn is in my 11H so I think this is telling me that the key to achieve my goals (which are big, I have a stellium in the 11H) is through discipline.
Do you resonate with any of this?
I think it could be connected with authority as well - for example, I've conformed with authority a lot despite a rebellious streak in my nature, and in past years have been embracing a tendency to question structures and look for / build alternatives. This might be Uranus squaring my nodes though. (If we assume that this whole thing about 'skipped steps' is true, of course ).

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posted February 23, 2015 08:02 AM            

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I'm not sure about how much of the skipped step is karma related but considering that nodal points are sensitive points, anything transiting the "skipped step" planets would trigger a t-square considering of the planets and the nodes, withheld eros being the balancing point.

I'm just an amateur who knows little of astrology. Viri do think that skipped steps should just be read as srnsituve pints triggering nodal issues and not something more past live related.

Like there a thread in interpersonal astrology forum that I don't know how to feel about (how to know someone is past live partner) and IMO you can conjecture but how do you even know. Yes there's a sense of familiarity it that's about it...

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posted February 23, 2015 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Aurora_girl1990:
I have my karma square the nodes of a dear friend of mine.

That would be a skipped step wouldn't it?

And it would mean that he has something to solve in terms of Karma with me.Which is ironic given it's my asteroid karma squaring his nodes.

Which would mean what exactly?He did something to mean in a past life and he has to pay it back now?but asteroid karma is not clear on what it is.

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posted February 23, 2015 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SaturnFan, there seems to be some confusion here, but if I understand you correctly, you're asking about natal configurations squaring the NN and SN, not transits.

Re natal Saturn-Uranus square the nodes, a possibility as to its meaning is that because Saturn and Uranus are conjunct, it may mean the skipped step has to do with not integrating these two archetypal principles. What can happen when these planets are in major aspect, particularly the hard aspects, is that we identity with one planet, and reject and split off the other. The latter is then projected on other people who represent that planet in our life and it can trigger conflicts.

When Saturn is unintegrated or unconscious, Uranus can manifest negatively as ineffective rebellion, stubborn eccentricity, rigid nonconformity, unreliability, erratic cheageability, conflicts with authority figures, or problems with money or handling the material plane. Saturn dominant and Uranus unintegrated or unconscious can manifest as accidents.

It is my opinion that when two planets are conjunct, they are inseparable. You can't have one without the other. If what is being said applies, it may be that you are being asked to find a way for these two planets to work together, rather than against each other. Whether this configuration means this is a "skipped step" or not, the conjunction suggests the kind of work to be done in the current life.

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Hello peony!

As usual, amazing analysis.

Is it possible though, to have made certain aspects of a planet conscious while others are unconscious, rather than have only 1 of the 2 planets be dominant?

Let me give you an example with myself: I have been having issues managing my money since I can remember, regardless of how much I earn (= Saturn unconscious), but I've always had good relationship with authority, even though sometimes I feel I should have rebelled against certain things. Regarding Uranus, I have thankfully not attracted many accidents in my own life, but my line of work for the past (almost) decade has been crisis and incident management. Does this mean Uranus is only partially conscious?

posted February 23, 2015 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by lisalisa:
I resonate with what you write, though i have only mars squaring my nodes, moon trine/sextile and uranus trine/sextile. My mars is my chart ruler and is in capricorn

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What is Saturn doing in your chart? It might have more to do with Saturn rather than the square to the Nodes. Or, the discipline/authority team is important, but only compliments your life's purpose (NN) rather than define it?

Although, Mars (representing action) squaring the nodes could represent a skipped step in terms of taking action when needed, or directing your energy properly.

posted February 23, 2015 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Uhm...I'm still a little perplexed about this. I understand entirely how my Sun and Moon (and BML), and also my 2h/8h stuff all get in the way of my NN. That much is pretty clear at times.

The rest is a bit muddled. Okay, quite a bit muddled. -__-

Also, my NN/SN are on the very cusps of my 4/5h and 10/11h (respectively). So that's a bit odd as well.

If anyone has some simplified insight, please share!

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posted February 23, 2015 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Okay, this is clicking.

With a CHIRON/LILITH opposition, essentially forming a 0º Fixed Cross, the CHIRON 'solution' is the SNODE, while the LILITH's resolved by the NNODE.

Conversely, and something I find fascinating, is that my Guardian's SNODE last conjoined LILITH (prenatal). His skipped step is JUPITER/OSIRIS -- the former is NNODE-resolved, while OSIRIS' solution is SNODE.

My OSIRIS is also 0º conjunct my NNODE.

Wow. That's quite a bit of resonance.

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posted February 23, 2015 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Wow, fascinating placements there! I'll need to think/ research more, but as I'm a novice I encourage other more experienced people to chip in

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posted February 23, 2015 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Is it possible though, to have made certain aspects of a planet conscious while others are unconscious, rather than have only 1 of the 2 planets be dominant?

Let me give you an example with myself: I have been having issues managing my money since I can remember, regardless of how much I earn (= Saturn unconscious), but I've always had good relationship with authority, even though sometimes I feel I should have rebelled against certain things. Regarding Uranus, I have thankfully not attracted many accidents in my own life, but my line of work for the past (almost) decade has been crisis and incident management. Does this mean Uranus is only partially conscious?

I do feel this conjunction is highly important for me. Apart from squaring my nodes, it midpoints my Venus-Pluto square, and is part of my 11th House Stellium (along with Sun, Mercury and Neptune). Definitely a lot to explore there!

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Hi SaturnFan!

The astrologer's work is a little like dressmaking, which seems like a peculiar analogy. But, a seamstress starts with a pattern and then cuts the cloth and makes the necessary adjustments to fit the customer. Similarly, an astrologer starts with astrological archetypes or patterns which contain a whole range of meanings, and then must tailor the meanings that apply to the individual.

It sounds like you have integrated Saturn and Uranus to a large extent, while a certain aspect of Saturn relating to handling the material plane, i.e., money remains to be accomplished. Going out on a limb, money as a foundation or launching pad for the manifestation in the world in the physical dimension of a dream or vision. For people who have Saturn conjunct Uranus, it's not enough to be a visionary on a mountain top. Saturn requires that the vision be incarnated in tangible form. Because the conjunction is in the 11H, this vision or dream needs to encompass a collective or wider social benefit or objective.

In my opinion, the work you've been doing for ten years is a good example of Saturn and Uranus working together and its been good training in that regard, although I'm sure you wouldn't put it this way on your resume! (Saturn-Uranus = crisis and Saturn = management)

If you haven't done so already, I would examine what your attitudes and beliefs are about money. Being at the mid point between your Venus-Pluto square, see if there is a connection between money and self worth issues.

posted February 24, 2015 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Not sure whether asteroids carry the same weight with this aspect, but assuming they do this could represent karma he owes you from a few lifetimes ago. This can be either good karma or bad karma, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad sign

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posted February 24, 2015 06:22 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Hi SaturnFan!

The astrologer's work is a little like dressmaking, which seems like a peculiar analogy. But, a seamstress starts with a pattern and then cuts the cloth and makes the necessary adjustments to fit the customer. Similarly, an astrologer starts with astrological archetypes or patterns which contain a whole range of meanings, and then must tailor the meanings that apply to the individual.

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Hello peony Beautiful analogy, and this is exactly how it should be done - as we're all unique, and do not easily fit into templates.

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Originally posted by peony:
It sounds like you have integrated Saturn and Uranus to a large extent, while a certain aspect of Saturn relating to handling the material plane, i.e., money remains to be accomplished. Going out on a limb, money as a foundation or launching pad for the manifestation in the world in the physical dimension of a dream or vision. For people who have Saturn conjunct Uranus, it's not enough to be a visionary on a mountain top. Saturn requires that the vision be incarnated in tangible form. Because the conjunction is in the 11H, this vision or dream needs to encompass a collective or wider social benefit or objective.

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Wow, all of this is amazingly true, every single word. I've struggled with the concept of money (and my beliefs, as you mention further in your post) - I realised I find it difficult to keep money when it's for me or my comfort, I feel enormous guilt. I've lost so many expensive things (phones in taxis twice for example), which upon reflection later I realised was done deliberately on subconscious level. Whereas once I realised that making money will allow me to invest them outside of myself (donations, for example), I started viewing wealth as something good.

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Originally posted by peony:
In my opinion, the work you've been doing for ten years is a good example of Saturn and Uranus working together and its been good training in that regard, although I'm sure you wouldn't put it this way on your resume! (Saturn-Uranus = crisis and Saturn = management)

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Originally posted by peony:
If you haven't done so already, I would examine what your attitudes and beliefs are about money. Being at the mid point between your Venus-Pluto square, see if there is a connection between money and self worth issues.

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Absolutely. Have been working on this for the past few months, but it's been a challenge. There's so much negativity and guilt tied to money in my mentality and early-childhood conditioning. At least I seem to finally be looking at the right place!

posted February 25, 2015 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
SnowCatcher, what I read about the Sun making a square to the NN was that it did not indicate a skipped step in a former life. It seems that is only true of the Sun, however. I recall the article saying something about needing to incorporate all aspects of the Sun and NN/SN, or something to that effect.

I have Sun/Moon square my nodes, so I scrolled down to read about it.
Hopefully that helps...?
I'm sure there are people here who understood the article better than I did, or read it in more detail.

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Oh ok, thanks(: Sorry, I hadn't looked at the article yet when I saw the post, I was just reading the post here! But I do see in the article what they're saying about the sun;

"When the Sun squares the nodes it means that the soul could create skipped steps in this life."
"Thus, when this symbol is seen in the birth chart, it is necessary to understand this and counsel the person accordingly; i.e., the full development of all those archetypes. If this is not done, it will then manifest as skipped steps in the next life."

posted February 26, 2015 11:29 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Absolutely. Have been working on this for the past few months, but it's been a challenge. There's so much negativity and guilt tied to money in my mentality and early-childhood conditioning. At least I seem to finally be looking at the right place!

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All the very best to you, SaturnFan.