posted April 09, 2015 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
The 12th house is not responsible for introversion! It isn't gloomy or sad. It's one of the most selfless houses aside from having that very personal side. I can't stand people that have never personally experienced something talk the most crap about the thing they've never experienced. Like can you open your mind or nah?

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What if that person sincerely thinks a perspective they hold is valid? Also, don't astrologers, like any other profession, depend at least to some extent on the knowledge of others? We don't and can't know everything from personal experience. I don't agree with Ami, she's stating a classical interpretation of 12H planets. But, if I understood her correctly, she's saying if there's enough evidence that proves her wrong, she'd be willing to look further. I find that reasonable and indicates a willingness to be open minded.

posted April 09, 2015 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
What if that person sincerely thinks a perspective they hold is valid? Also, don't astrologers, like any other profession, depend at least to some extent on the knowledge of others? We don't and can't know everything from personal experience. I don't agree with Ami, she's stating a classical interpretation of 12H planets. But, if I understood her correctly, she's saying if there's enough evidence that proves her wrong, she'd be willing to look further. I find that reasonable and indicates a willingness to be open minded.

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Clearly I don't agree with her. She bad mouths every placement she herself doesn't have, doesn't like nor understands completely. Professional astrologers don't do such things especially when you have people that turn to you for answers. Amateurs sure do though. You don't teach people to hate certain things because you hate them or like what you like. It's about being objective not subjective. She is one perfect example of why astrology isn't taken as seriously.

She's been given tremoundous amounts of evidence on numerous occasions by many people and hasn't yet looked further. Take that atrocity of a Libra Moon "article" she made as an example. She didn't know when we were *friends* that I am a Libra Moon and wrote all those nasty, unnecessary, subjective things about it, stating them as facts, when she found out that I was indeed a Libra Moon, and not at all as she described, she couldn't believe it and blamed that on my Cancer Mars. Like are you serious? Her narrow-mindedness is in this exact thread. She's accusing people that disagree or haven't experienced what she claims to experience of being liars in denial. LOL if that isn't the most narrow-minded, ignorant things I've ever read in my life. That is a clear indication of a person incapable of being even slightly open or reasonable.

posted April 09, 2015 02:00 PM            

This is my philosophy on life. I want to be an authentic person.

That means showing what I feel and think.

I have over 4000 articles and I could go and make them all politically correct, such that I could put them on here and no one would argue.

I don't do that for a purpose. I want to be as I am.

That means I have points of view that people may not like.

Also, if I am not honest about how I feel, *I* cannot change and grow, either.

I do Astrology as I SEE it.

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posted April 09, 2015 02:02 PM            

I read a full page and came away with nothing but a blob!

It was a blob in which the person would not take a stand.

To me, that person, probably, knows Nessus is abuse but if he said it, he would get anger and disapproval.

Maybe, he does not see Nessus that way.

Either way, he covered his bases so much that the article had no meat.

It went in all directions and, frankly, was a waste of time.

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posted April 09, 2015 02:04 PM            

I TALK about it. If I am too afraid to talk about it, how can I learn more?

Some people get really angry if I say a negative thing about their placement.

That is their problem.

Usually, they have no faced it and hence want me to shut up or they want everything about them to be roses.

If someone accepts themselves, they should not be defensive.

If they are defensive, that is their problem lol

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posted April 09, 2015 02:05 PM            

Amen

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posted April 09, 2015 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I will not be a politically correct blob. If someone wants that, go fins someone else. Go read someone else.

Amen

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There's politically incorrect and then there's incorrect.

posted April 09, 2015 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I'm assertive and have plenty of confidence and my mars is well and truly in the 12th.

My issues are more personal/interenal. I'm not all that driven when it comez to 'me' things and i can be very indecisive because i can see both sides of everything!

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posted April 09, 2015 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
What if that person sincerely thinks a perspective they hold is valid? Also, don't astrologers, like any other profession, depend at least to some extent on the knowledge of others? We don't and can't know everything from personal experience. I don't agree with Ami, she's stating a classical interpretation of 12H planets. But, if I understood her correctly, she's saying if there's enough evidence that proves her wrong, she'd be willing to look further. I find that reasonable and indicates a willingness to be open minded.

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posted April 09, 2015 02:11 PM            

I have to respect a person to take what they say. If I don't, I don't.

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posted April 09, 2015 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My teachers are thousands of charts. If I see a pattern, I note that and make a theory.

I TALK about it. If I am too afraid to talk about it, how can I learn more?

Some people get really angry if I say a negative thing about their placement.

That is their problem.

Usually, they have no faced it and hence want me to shut up or they want everything about them to be roses.

If someone accepts themselves, they should not be defensive.

If they are defensive, that is their problem lol

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posted April 09, 2015 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have to respect a person to take what they say. If I don't, I don't.

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That's so nice of you! You sure go out of your way with said people trying to Friend them. This attitude is exactly why I'm done with you. You use people and dispose of them when you've had your fill. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

posted April 09, 2015 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My teachers are thousands of charts. If I see a pattern, I note that and make a theory.

I TALK about it. If I am too afraid to talk about it, how can I learn more?

Some people get really angry if I say a negative thing about their placement.

That is their problem.

Usually, they have no faced it and hence want me to shut up or they want everything about them to be roses.

If someone accepts themselves, they should not be defensive.

If they are defensive, that is their problem lol

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posted April 09, 2015 02:20 PM            

How can you know it is false info when you admit you hardly know more than your own chart

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posted April 09, 2015 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
I'm a 12th House Sun, 12th House is in Leo.

I'm not exactly an introvert. But I get extreeeemely tired around people if I stay for a long time. I need to recharge my "batteries" often, even when we go out sometimes I step aside for a minute or just "zone out"

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posted April 09, 2015 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I'm defensive about you spreading false information

How can you know it is false info when you admit you hardly know more than your own chart

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How can you when it's been proven elsewhere that you don't even know you're own chart?
Or from what I've been told in another post that you write articles on aspects that are impossible.
I believe I did a Pisces moon thread which was extremely well received and I don't have that placement.

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posted April 09, 2015 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Anyway, we are just throwing mud at each other. Time for a cookie and juice break

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posted April 09, 2015 02:42 PM            

I try to say something light and move on. I try to defuse the situation with humor and my light icons lol

That is my intention when I get attacked. Hopefully, the people will find some help.

Blessings to you all. I hope you all find peace xxx

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posted April 09, 2015 02:53 PM            

You talk about how you do astrology because you "love helping people," but you will only help people that feed your ego and serve some sort of purpose. What kind of professional astrologer will turn down a reader for being challenging? Everything is site hits, popularity, loving adoration, and number of people engaging in your "articles" which are no more than stereotypical garbage laced with self-praise. I called it MONTHS ago that you were just using Barbie, and well look where we are now.

A real teacher does their job without worrying about praise, material gain, and popularity. To me, you are not a teacher because you lack the objective ability to present a
unique canvas that allows for all ideas to flourish. It is all about establishing a sense of superiority by having people buy into your strange theories with no plausible evidence.

You seem to really write unjust harsh views on placements coincidentally that people here have that challenge you...but I'm asleep though.......

You feel a need as a victim of abuse to constantly prove your worth. You believe, just like your mother, that if someone is compliant and obedient, you can feel better about yourself. The victim mentality you hold sends the message that the “one with the most power wins” and that you can only “win” by pushing other people around. And because you develop your self-worth from this cycle, those you go after can never comply enough. It is never good enough, which reflects how you feel about yourself. Your actions do not come from a place of love, because as the abuser you need more control, more proof of love and acceptance, and more validation from the outside world. The empty hole inside of you is never filled so you constantly ask for praise and acceptance through the copious amounts of articles you write which really turn into a venting thread where you can gain sympathy for your mothers’ transgressions. The things you do and ask to posters become more and more bizarre as you push your victims father and farther for proof you are special and loved.

YOU REALLY THINK THIS BELIEF IS NORMAL?

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If you find a Christian who is always trying to be perfect( and we all hate this type) she does not understand the NT times. I will explain. In New Testament times, a person who has accepted Jesus as personal savior and lord can do ANYTHING and not break the law. That person can kill, steal, do terrorism, hate, rape etc and still have God's grace. Your eyebrows raise. You want to throw tomatoes at me but let me explain. In the NT Dispensation, Jesus has borne all our sins. That means that anything I do is forgiven by God. I can kill a hundred people with a machine gun and still be forgiven. I can hate and act like Hitler and still be forgiven. In fact, God will never cast me out for my actions. Man will punish me. However, Jesus sacrifice made me clean, holy and pure in God's eyes.

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That is me, is sociopathic logic.

Maybe, you should explain to everyone why you are banned from Global Unity and Divine Diversities. If you cannot get your point across without personally harming people, then maybe that is a sign to reevaluate your belief systems. God does not love ugly that is for sure, and the beliefs you throw around here are the epitome of ugly.

You THRIVE on drama because your self-esteem is so low that you require love and validation from everyone. You prey on everyone that is emotionally vulnerable and put on a false image so you can psychoanalyze them. And then you use it against them as collateral.

All it takes is skimming through the LL archives is to see that you have been spinning this same behavior for years. When people call you out, you rush to SP to make 3-5 posts about how depressed you are about being hated, having to deal with ‘haters,’ being a victim, and other pointless posts that prove you simply cannot ignore the need for outside validation. What happened to ignoring, that thing you are always telling people to do? To me this is not personal growth, this is major regression. The Internet will not help you, intensive therapy will. How will you grow as person as you continue to purposely seek out drama? Then you mention your mother as the bait, and all of your wrongdoings are masked because people who aren’t around long enough do not see it.

You will go beyond reasonable measures to protect your ego instead of facing your demons. Being politically incorrect, for one, is an excuse people use to justify their hate speech. it is always YOUR way that is right, and such false superiority is dangerous. You run around making threads crying about how wronged you've been when people try to help you stop saying harmful things, and use your mom as the ultimate excuse and scapegoat for anything you do. Let this be the year you finally look in the mirror and accept your own demons- until you do this, you will continue to harm people.

You wanted mud, well here is a landslide. But really, to the outside world, it is the truth.

posted April 09, 2015 03:17 PM            

This way no one is humiliated,
new posters don't form any wrong perceptions about members when they are slaying the dragon,
and it may slightly reduce attention being a reward.

I was once a member of a poetry workshop online, and they had a forum called "Outside" for these issues. It worked.

I feel this may be more effective than closing threads.
People need a place to work through things, rather than gagged.

posted April 09, 2015 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

What you just described is introverted behavior. You are confusing shyness and introversion. People often confuse the two but they are not the same thing. A person can be introverted but not be shy at all in social situations.

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Well, I said "not exactly intovert". I'm not completely disagreeing, but description of introvert doesn't fit me to 100% either. But perhaps, scales go more in direction of introvert, though

Definitely not shy

posted April 09, 2015 04:35 PM            

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Originaa posted by Liliya:
Well, I said "not exactly intovert". Isolitompletely disagreeing, but description of introvert doesn't fit me to 100% either. But perhaps, scales go more in direction of introvert, though

Definitely not shy

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