posted April 09, 2015 04:57 PM            

I'm sorry as much as I enjoy astrology, there is no astrologer that knows me better than I know myself. Not one.

I have my personal challenges but one of my strengths is that I'm quite self aware. Always have been.

posted April 09, 2015 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
wtf just happened to my thread????
i was enjoying the discussion

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posted April 09, 2015 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
shhhh... new page, new discussion

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Don't fight it.... just let it happen.

posted April 09, 2015 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Don't fight it.... just let it happen.

(No idea why I just said that)

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posted April 09, 2015 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
shhhh... new page, new discussion

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Yes!

posted April 10, 2015 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I'm a 12th house Sun, Moon, Mercury and Jupiter. Mercury is the only planet conjunct my Asc. Jupiter is conjunct my Sun and Moon.

I'm incredibly extroverted and assertive. Very happy. I'm called "smiley" by everyone who knows me or meets me. I'm not gloomy or depressed (I had severe depression in my teenage years). I do get exhausted after hours of being around large numbers of people but wouldn't a lot of people lol. I love getting to know new people, not at all shy or get weirded out talking to strangers.

The 12th house is not responsible for introversion! It isn't gloomy or sad. It's one of the most selfless houses aside from having that very personal side. I can't stand people that have never personally experienced something talk the most crap about the thing they've never experienced. Like can you open your mind or nah?

I'm not at all inward or into myself. I care much more for other people and would help another person anytime before helping myself. I'm very selfless and take pride in that quality about myself. My back isn't against any wall. I don't have a hard time expressing emotions I have a hard time caring enough to talk about them. I'd rather talk and help someone else. I feel like that sounds arrogant which is not what I meant. I can handle my emotions and don't need help or empathy unlike Cancer/4th.

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Really? An extroverted 12th house?? Wowza!!

posted April 10, 2015 04:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I'm a 12th house Sun, Moon, Mercury and Jupiter. Mercury is the only planet conjunct my Asc. Jupiter is conjunct my Sun and Moon.

I'm incredibly extroverted and assertive. Very happy. I'm called "smiley" by everyone who knows me or meets me. I'm not gloomy or depressed (I had severe depression in my teenage years). I do get exhausted after hours of being around large numbers of people but wouldn't a lot of people lol. I love getting to know new people, not at all shy or get weirded out talking to strangers.

The 12th house is not responsible for introversion! It isn't gloomy or sad. It's one of the most selfless houses aside from having that very personal side. I can't stand people that have never personally experienced something talk the most crap about the thing they've never experienced. Like can you open your mind or nah?

I'm not at all inward or into myself. I care much more for other people and would help another person anytime before helping myself. I'm very selfless and take pride in that quality about myself. My back isn't against any wall. I don't have a hard time expressing emotions I have a hard time caring enough to talk about them. I'd rather talk and help someone else. I feel like that sounds arrogant which is not what I meant. I can handle my emotions and don't need help or empathy unlike Cancer/4th.

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posted April 10, 2015 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
is a 12th house sun person always an introvert?

Or is it possible for them to want to be in the limelight?!

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I have sun in libra in 12th. Saturn in scorp and Pluto in lib on my libra asc.

I have Venus conj mars in Leo on thrthe 10th and mc leo.

Im shy and bit introverted but I do end up getting attention. I like it but at the same time I don't. I do like praise but I want to be left alone. Im complicated lol. I do like socialising but I need time for myself. I don't think one placement alone makes someone introverted. I have gem moon and virgo merc

posted April 10, 2015 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Really? An extroverted 12th house?? Wowza!!

Do you believe in progressions?

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Somewhat, I guess. My progressed chart makes sense with how my life's turned out the last 5-6 years. It was very intense with lots of change. My Sun is 4 away from Scorpio. My Moon (in which I'm counting down the days for😫👏🏼 is 5 from Leo. My Mercury, Venus and Asc are in Scorpio. Mars still in Cancer. Progressed Mercury, Venus and Pluto are in my 1st. Moon and Mars in my 9th.

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Incredibly extraverted and not at all inward, really? Are you certain of your time of birth?

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posted April 10, 2015 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
12th house planet expression isn't cut and dry. I don't really agree with the idea that a planet is repressed in the 12th house. That's only taking into consideration the sorrow half of the 12th house. I identify the 12th house moreso with things that are hidden. Example I have a 12th house Mars but I am not afraid of expressing my angry or showing my temperament. The same goes for my sexuality and sexual relationships, I choose to not overtly express it to the world that doesn't mean it's not occurring.

I do agree with the idea of selflessness being a aspect of the 12th house. I've seen and met more Venus in 12th people who are more concerned with making others feel beautiful,beautifying the world, and working in service careers where they can express that love and compassion to people who may be in institutions or confined in some manner either self imposed or forcefully. As opposed to those making secret relationships or cheating.

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posted April 10, 2015 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
12th house planet expression isn't cut and dry. I don't really agree with the idea that a planet is repressed in the 12th house. That's only taking into consideration the sorrow half of the 12th house. I identify the 12th house moreso with things that are hidden. Example I have a 12th house Mars but I am not afraid of expressing my angry or showing my temperament. The same goes for my sexuality and sexual relationships, I choose to not overtly express it to the world that doesn't mean it's not occurring.

I do agree with the idea of selflessness being a aspect of the 12th house. I've seen and met more Venus in 12th people who are more concerned with making others feel beautiful,beautifying the world, and working in service careers where they can express that love and compassion to people who may be in institutions or confined in some manner either self imposed or forcefully. As opposed to those making secret relationships or cheating.

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posted April 10, 2015 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
12th house planet expression isn't cut and dry. I don't really agree with the idea that a planet is repressed in the 12th house. That's only taking into consideration the sorrow half of the 12th house. I identify the 12th house moreso with things that are hidden. Example I have a 12th house Mars but I am not afraid of expressing my angry or showing my temperament. The same goes for my sexuality and sexual relationships, I choose to not overtly express it to the world that doesn't mean it's not occurring.

I do agree with the idea of selflessness being a aspect of the 12th house. I've seen and met more Venus in 12th people who are more concerned with making others feel beautiful,beautifying the world, and working in service careers where they can express that love and compassion to people who may be in institutions or confined in some manner either self imposed or forcefully. As opposed to those making secret relationships or cheating.

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posted April 10, 2015 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
12th house planet expression isn't cut and dry. I don't really agree with the idea that a planet is repressed in the 12th house. That's only taking into consideration the sorrow half of the 12th house. I identify the 12th house moreso with things that are hidden. Example I have a 12th house Mars but I am not afraid of expressing my angry or showing my temperament. The same goes for my sexuality and sexual relationships, I choose to not overtly express it to the world that doesn't mean it's not occurring.

I do agree with the idea of selflessness being a aspect of the 12th house. I've seen and met more Venus in 12th people who are more concerned with making others feel beautiful,beautifying the world, and working in service careers where they can express that love and compassion to people who may be in institutions or confined in some manner either self imposed or forcefully. As opposed to those making secret relationships or cheating.

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Thank you!

You have described exactly my views and more or less both my 12H Venus and my 12H Mars.

Although I don't work in service, I would have liked to. Making other people happy really makes me happy. Even if it's just making them laugh a bit or see the loveliness around them.

Also as I said above there is a difference between secret and private.

posted April 10, 2015 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
You read that correctly! I'm 100% positive. My 12th starts at the end of Virgo and ends in the middle of Libra. I am Libra dominant and Venus is my chart ruler. Mercury is conjunct my Asc. I'm super people-oriented, will do anything to help anyone. I care much more about other people, makes absolute perfect sense. Mix all that into to the 12th and that need is even more amplified. The planets in the stellium of my 12th conjunct one another. Aside from that the 12th house is not responsible for introversion. In fact, according to this awesome rulership book I have "introverts" are ruled by Saturn and Cancer. That makes perfect sense to me considering how Cancer and Saturn work.

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posted April 10, 2015 05:11 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Liliya:
[b] I'm a 12th House Sun, 12th House is in Leo.

I'm not exactly an introvert. But I get extreeeemely tired around people if I stay for a long time. I need to recharge my "batteries" often, even when we go out sometimes I step aside for a minute or just "zone out"

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Me too! I'm Libra sun, mars,mercury,pluto,uranus..Virgo Asc..Leo moon and venus both in 12H I'm mrs socialable, chatty and loves company but need time back in my cave to recharge...The introvert explanation fits!

The secret affair thing for me has been a no no too but I have been wondering lately why the guys I'm attracted to have all been unable to commit for some reason or not in a place to think about a relationship..I know I'm the common denominator so I just need to work out what I'm still working on! ;-)

I don't believe in one soul mate for each..I was married and he died..if there's only one for each of us I'm sort of stuffed and I can't be having that :-)I prefer the soul mates as teachers version, I've lots of people who have passed through my life including my husband who I can see were here to teach... but the longing for that impossible love is strong, I'm older now and have learnt it isn't the be all and end all and none of us are perfect but am still very picky..I thought that was the virgo/libra mix!

I'm definitely very much a beginner but am I right in thinking that if my 12H Starts in Leo and goes 10degrees into virgo I should be reading about 12H in Virgo too?

posted April 10, 2015 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
You read that correctly! I'm 100% positive. My 12th starts at the end of Virgo and ends in the middle of Libra. I am Libra dominant and Venus is my chart ruler. Mercury is conjunct my Asc. I'm super people-oriented, will do anything to help anyone. I care much more about other people, makes absolute perfect sense. Mix all that into to the 12th and that need is even more amplified. The planets in the stellium of my 12th conjunct one another. Aside from that the 12th house is not responsible for introversion. In fact, according to this awesome rulership book I have "introverts" are ruled by Saturn and Cancer. That makes perfect sense to me considering how Cancer and Saturn work.

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Okay, thanks for responding. That Venus in Libra in H1 really comes through in the way you describe yourself.

Cancer can be quite the party animal.

posted April 10, 2015 08:57 PM            

I on the other hand, am overall, very introverted. I always get strong introverted on the MBTI.
It goes beyond that but I'm too lazy to type it all out. I need LOTS of alone time... lots.
However, I can be extroverted and be good at it! I'm also outspoken if something bothers me. Around people that I consider friends then my Leo Sun sextile Gemini moon comes out. I'm creative, witty, supportive, generous, etc. I get "out there" a little bit. LOL I don't have any kind of shyness.
It's really like this, being extroverted for me takes effort only because I don't want to. Not because it intimidates me.
It's just much more natural to be alone. I really enjoy it perhaps more than any normal person should.

Libra asc
Leo Sun (11)
Gemini moon (9)
Virgo mercury (12)
Virgo Venus (12)
Virgo mars (12 - 8 degrees from asc)
Taurus Jupiter (8)