posted April 11, 2015 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I can't believe I spent all afternoon in this futile conversation

I am crazy

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posted April 11, 2015 05:17 PM            

The 12th, like anything else, is different for different people. I meant all, not just me. Some will struggle, some won't. Some may struggle first but not later, etc.

posted April 11, 2015 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
Just out of curiosity...

If you don't subscribe to astrology, why participate in an astrology forum?

*puzzled*

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Eirlys, first of all the quote you picked from my post was the least important thing to address. I am well aware of what the context of those lines come from, but the manner in which Ami used them does not meet what you think. She used that quote to justify her religious bigotry, and went on to say because she was a Christian, she could do whatever she wanted to. I would link the thread, but I'm not really wanting to get sucked back into this insanity.

Because you are new, it is very understandable that you do not know all of the facts and details. The person you are defending has a history of shaming rape victims, made Isalmophobic comments in the pilot suicide thread that had nothing to do with the event, has said homophobic, sexist, and racist remarks, and has a history of trying to rile people up, email her 'friends' on here to defend her, and then pretend to be an innocent victim. Do you really want to defend someone like this? I hope not.

As far as Barbie goes, she clearly likes astrology- I do not think she would be a mod if she didn't want to spend time on the site. Just because she doesn't agree with Ami's beliefs, does not mean she doesn't subscribe to astrology. I have no idea where you got this from, and how it is relevant to the conversation. Ami's type of astrology is the not the "only" type of astrology, which is a very good thing. I wouldn't subscribe to something lacking evidence and objectivity.

posted April 11, 2015 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

You are contradicting yourself in your own post. You say that the 12th house doesn't have to contain doom and gloom but then you say that the 12th is as much hidden talents as much as self undoing thus acknowledging the duality (good and bad of the 12th house). You are correct in saying that the 12th house has some good aspects to it, but it definitely has some bad too. For example, every single 12th house sun I've met (without fail) has had some sort of pain in regards to the relationship they have/had with their father. This can manifest in alot of different ways such as: their father being abusive, their father died at a young age, their father had a substance abuse problem and wasn't fully there as a parent,flat out abandoned them, or worked a lot and wasn't really around. These are just a few of the stories I've heard from 12th house suns... All of the stories and circumstances have been different but there is a common theme of 12th house suns having a painful relationship of some sort with their fathers. Does that all have to be doom and gloom? No! It can end up being a good thing. It can lead one to complete self reliance or a close relationship with God. But.... That pain is still there, that experience is still apart of the person. You seem to be suggesting that one can divorce themselves from the bad parts which isn't true. You have to own it all, the good and the bad,and be aware or you're just sabotaging yourself. You stated that you have no fear or shyness in an earlier post. You said those things are stupid. If you say those things you are obviously in denial. Everyone has fears and insecurities and everyone has experienced shyness. You are just lying to yourself when you say that.

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posted April 11, 2015 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
What benefit would anyone gain from lying or "denying" such insignificant things?

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Speaking only for myself, it's not a matter of accusing you or anyone of lying or denying something. I think you and other people who have commented about their 12H placements are saying what's true for you. Maybe you're right. But, I find it difficult to believe that an outgoing, highly social, predominantly extravert personality corresponds to a packed 12H.

There are a number of unknown variables to consider. Biographical info and life experience, how self aware a person is, a person's level of discernment and accuracy of knowledge about correlations between their chart and their own personality. So, I'm inclined not to take people's word for it at the outset anyway. And, this isn't personal.

posted April 11, 2015 05:56 PM            

Is your Sun within 10 degrees of the ASC, in which case it would count as a 1st house Sun and would have the nature of the 1st house which is very different.

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posted April 11, 2015 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Coteau

Is your Sun within 10 degrees of the ASC, in which case it would count as a 1st house Sun and would have the nature of the 1st house which is very different.

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posted April 11, 2015 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Speaking only for myself, it's not a matter of accusing you or anyone of lying or denying something. I think you and other people who have commented about their 12H placements are saying what's true for you. Maybe you're right. But, I find it difficult to believe that an outgoing, highly social, predominantly extravert personality corresponds to a packed 12H.

There are a number of unknown variables to consider. Biographical info and life experience, how self aware a person is, a person's level of discernment and accuracy of knowledge about correlations between their chart and their own personality. So, I'm inclined not to take people's word for it at the outset anyway.

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posted April 11, 2015 06:05 PM            

I have never seen a 12th House Sun without father issues in thousands of charts. That is all I can say, my Friend.

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posted April 11, 2015 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Eirlys, first of all the quote you picked from my post was the least important thing to address. I am well aware of what the context of those lines come from, but the manner in which Ami used them does not meet what you think. She used that quote to justify her religious bigotry, and went on to say because she was a Christian, she could do whatever she wanted to. I would link the thread, but I'm not really wanting to get sucked back into this insanity.

Because you are new, it is very understandable that you do not know all of the facts and details. The person you are defending has a history of shaming rape victims, made Isalmophobic comments in the pilot suicide thread that had nothing to do with the event, has said homophobic, sexist, and racist remarks, and has a history of trying to rile people up, email her 'friends' on here to defend her, and then pretend to be an innocent victim. Do you really want to defend someone like this? I hope not.

As far as Barbie goes, she clearly likes astrology- I do not think she would be a mod if she didn't want to spend time on the site. Just because she doesn't agree with Ami's beliefs, does not mean she doesn't subscribe to astrology. I have no idea where you got this from, and how it is relevant to the conversation. Ami's type of astrology is the not the "only" type of astrology, which is a very good thing. I wouldn't subscribe to something lacking evidence and objectivity.

TBH, I find it a little odd for someone with minimal post counts to be reaching for excuses to defending Ami. I really hope what I am thinking isn't true.

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posted April 11, 2015 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
UOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[b]I read the first paragraph or whatever that was and quit, nor am I finishing reading it.
You and your mom can't see outside of your little boxed in minds.

The 12th, like anything else, is different for different people. I meant all, not just me. Some will struggle, some won't. Some may struggle first but not later, etc.

Jeez... you guys are something else.

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No, it's called mars conjunct mercury in Virgo that is annoyed by stupidity.
I was unimpressed with the beginning of your post so stopped reading. You clearly didn't comprehend what I was saying so why elaborate?

I'm hardly ****** my friend.
I don't like arguing with you. I might as well argue with brick wall. It'd be just as effective and THAT'S why I don't waste my time with a counter argument.
Show me ONE TIME... just one only... that you've ever been open minded about someone who disagreed with you.

posted April 11, 2015 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
it sounds like a deeply challenging placement to have So the reason for the love affair addiction one might have is to find that true source of love (unconsciously of course). As opposed to a quick fling?!

[QUOTE][b]Venus in the 12th longs for a soul mate, a love that is transcendent, boundless, and eternal.

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posted April 11, 2015 06:35 PM            

This has gone to $hit.

posted April 11, 2015 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
I'm a 12th House Sun, 12th House is in Leo.

I'm not exactly an introvert. But I get extreeeemely tired around people if I stay for a long time. I need to recharge my "batteries" often, even when we go out sometimes I step aside for a minute or just "zone out"

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wikipedia::

Introversion [ Edit ]
"Introversion" (engl. "Introversion") is the counterpart to extraversion. Introverts characters turning their attention and energy more on their inner life. In groups, they are more likely to act as a passive observation and are often described as "quiet," "cautious" and described as "quiet". Introversion is not necessarily equate with shyness .

A striking difference between introverted and extraverted people is that the introvert-energized "for himself" in contrast to the extravert and "sucked" feels without time after a long period of time. Therefore, introverted embossed people often prefer a quiet environment such. As one's own home, libraries, parks, forests, etc. Sometimes Introverts also use their weekends and free time to relax by, depending on the way as much time as possible spend alone or with close friends and acquaintances. They enjoy, contrary to popular belief by outsiders, this time because they can effectively recover only in this way and think.

posted April 11, 2015 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
12 the house unaspected virgo moon and that's exactly how I am to!!

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posted April 11, 2015 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
wikipedia::

Introversion [ Edit ]
"Introversion" (engl. "Introversion") is the counterpart to extraversion. Introverts characters turning their attention and energy more on their inner life. In groups, they are more likely to act as a passive observation and are often described as "quiet," "cautious" and described as "quiet". Introversion is not necessarily equate with shyness .

A striking difference between introverted and extraverted people is that the introvert-energized "for himself" in contrast to the extravert and "sucked" feels without time after a long period of time. Therefore, introverted embossed people often prefer a quiet environment such. As one's own home, libraries, parks, forests, etc. Sometimes Introverts also use their weekends and free time to relax by, depending on the way as much time as possible spend alone or with close friends and acquaintances. They enjoy, contrary to popular belief by outsiders, this time because they can effectively recover only in this way and think.

Mistakenly cancellations of parties, rejections of appointments or a lack of contact from friends and acquaintances introverted people to be taken in many cases as if from side of the introvert would be no interest or indifference of friendship or acquaintance. Introverts strive just as well extravert by social contacts, friendships and things, but not to such an extent as others. To avoid Introverts usually crowded parties and events, but on the other hand like to spend a few quiet hours with them already familiar friends, as long as the group is not more than 4-6 people.

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posted April 11, 2015 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Thank you!

You have described exactly my views and more or less both my 12H Venus and my 12H Mars.

Although I don't work in service, I would have liked to. Making other people happy really makes me happy. Even if it's just making them laugh a bit or see the loveliness around them.

Also as I said above there is a difference between secret and private.

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posted April 11, 2015 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Eirlys, first of all .....

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Link it.

posted April 11, 2015 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:

Link it.

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Is this what you're looking for? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000626-4.html

posted April 11, 2015 09:23 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
I have been reading the post and something surprised me.. the fact that being INTROVERT is perceived as negative.. Jung created this two categories and in my opinion they are not negative. being introvert is the opposite of extrovert.. i never thought extroverts were any better.. so not sure what is the point in DEFENDING not being an introvert.. I don't know if this is cultural issue in America, but where I come from, nobody would ever get mad or offended to be called introvert...

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But it's not!!!

Being an introvert isn't negative. Bring private isn't negative, etc. etc.

It's just some people are telling other people they are in denial about who they take, they are in denial or their birth time is wrong because they do not fit in those people's small minded view of the world and astrology.

Some people are so ignorant, arrogant, presumptuous and delusional to think they can tell another person they don't know themselves. The level of arrogance it takes to do that is mind boggling.