posted April 11, 2015 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
So you're saying because I'm no longer depressed and unhappy (like so many assume us 12th housers all are), no longer the severe alcoholic I used to be, the fact that I enjoy talking and getting to know new people, that I'm completely selfless when it comes others, that my birth chart is wrong?

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I see what the problem is. No, Barbie, that's not what I said, I couldn't have because I don't know about anything you disclosed in your response. So, you're putting words in my mouth.

This is what I said:

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I think you and other people who have commented about their 12H placements are saying what's true for you. Maybe you're right. But, I find it difficult to believe that an outgoing, highly social, predominantly extravert personality corresponds to a packed 12H.

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I'm not saying your chart is wrong, but evidently that's what you thought I meant. You confirmed the birth time is accurate and I accept that your chart is correct.

I think some of the things you ascribe to your 12H planets I see as your Venus in Libra in the 1st house, which is also your chart ruler. I'm referring to your self-description as not being inward at all and being very social.

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I personally believe once you've overcome the battles that can destroy you with the 12th house it flourishes beautifully. I've openly talked about my own personal battles here proudly. I'm happy with how far I've come and have absolutely no reason to be anything less than happy and content with life. As my hubby said, we conquer things, we grow and we change.

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Absolutely! What a great accomplishment.

posted April 11, 2015 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
But it's not!!!

Being an introvert isn't negative. Bring private isn't negative, etc. etc.

It's just some people are telling other people they are in denial about who they take, they are in denial or their birth time is wrong because they do not fit in those people's small minded view of the world and astrology.

Some people are so ignorant, arrogant, presumptuous and delusional to think they can tell another person they don't know themselves. The level of arrogance it takes to do that is mind boggling.

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posted April 11, 2015 10:10 PM            

Truth: there's a whole chart to look at and as far as the 12th goes; it's as dynamic as any other house/sign/placement/aspect. I personally like to think of astrology as potential, like voltage. It's energy but is static unless put to work in some way. Then you get current/heat/action. Not everyone is going to embody every trait of a placement. Example, Venus has certain behaviors that always happen and others that come out when activated by a relationship. Modified by things outside the chart as well as it's condition within the chart and personal growth, etc.
In this way, it's ridiculous to confine anything into such narrow boxes. In our pursuit to take this incredibly complex thing called astrology and trying to put into more simple, easy to understand terms. We get carried away and forget just how dynamic it all really is.
If you look at the whole, not just your birth chart, but progressed, Draconic, transits, and countless synastries/composites. How can we really understand or keep up with the speed of it all? If I truly tried then I would miss today by matching up yesterday's astrology with yesterday's life.
Live first. If the astrology matches, great. If not, there may be another astrological reason. If you don't find it, big deal. Be yourself regardless of your chart. Actually I believe this will reveal your chart to you more clearly than assuming you "are" a way because "you have such and such". You corrupt yourself. Live and let your life lead your chart. Truth be told, if we consider the many transits and types of charts, anything is possible.
But....

posted April 11, 2015 10:40 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Deepfreeze,
Are you blind son? Your girl has repeatedly stated that the 12th house has nothing to do with introversion.

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posted April 11, 2015 10:46 PM            

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posted April 11, 2015 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

Let it go...
What do you gain from it? "Winning?"
A Leo is willing to set aside his pride.
So what's your excuse?

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posted April 11, 2015 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Is this what you're looking for? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000626-4.html
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I really have no way of knowing if that

pertains to this:

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
I would link the thread, but I'm not really wanting to get sucked back into this insanity.

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posted April 11, 2015 11:50 PM            

The way someone wants to/chooses to MISINTERPRET it is not under my control.

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posted April 12, 2015 12:05 AM            

Again, it is really odd you are going to such (unsuccessful) lengths to defend someone who does not deserve it. Especially randomly dropping in a thread and ignoring the facts.

So how many times has Ami Anne emailed you today? Is your IP on the east coast- I would love to check it-and I am certainly not the first one who has thought about this.

Ami, I understood you loud and clear, and trying to persuade people otherwise will not work. You were acting like a bigot towards Muslims. It was an inflammatory use of the Bible scripture to establish Christianity superiority and degrade Islamic culture, just like you have done on your website:

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/amis-political-corner/islamic-domina tion-different-domination/

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/amis -political-corner/asteroid-named-beast-fly-earth-sunday-pope-allows-quran-reading-vatican/

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/amis-political-cor ner/why-the-muslims-will-never-be-able-to-get-rid-of-the-jews/

posted April 12, 2015 12:18 AM            

If you have angst with me, these astrology threads are not the place for it.

Thank you

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posted April 12, 2015 01:18 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Eirlys, first of all the quote you picked from my post was the least important thing to address.

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I addressed exactly what I wanted to address, within your post.

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
You wanted mud, well here is a landslide...

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I'm not getting involved in mudslinging, thanks.

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
I am well aware of what the context of those lines come from, but the manner in which Ami used them does not meet what you think....

Because you are new, it is very understandable that...

TBH, I find it a little odd for someone with minimal post counts to be reaching for excuses to defending Ami. I really hope what I am thinking isn't true.

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How ominous.. and patronizing.

I'm not sure you know what I think.

I've explained how I interpreted it, but no comment from you other than I'm

"... defending Ami" (who is someone you clearly have a problem with, personally).

I've got no dog in that fight.

If you'd like to comment on the content of my post to you

(as I'm addressing your post *to me*), I'll be happy to expand on it.

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To EmGem:

I have a 12th House Taurus Mars.

I also have a Pisces moon, so I'm not sure if Mars has a Neptunian

vibe in and of itself.

I would classify myself as an ambivert.

I identify with this, as well:

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
^^^
I have NO problems asserting myself if I feel it's necessary.

Mercury, Venus, mars

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And no, I don't tend toward secrecy unless I feel it's needed

(i.e. self-preservation).

Like DeepFreeze, though, my Mars is conjunct the Ascendant so

that may be a mitigating factor.

posted April 12, 2015 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Eirlys, seriously? What else I would I be referring to there? Would you like me to screenshot the thread as well? No offense, but it pretty clear from the text and DF's link that the comment comes from there.

Again, it is really odd you are going to such (unsuccessful) lengths to defend someone who does not deserve it. Especially randomly dropping in a thread and ignoring the facts.

So how many times has Ami Anne emailed you today? Is your IP on the east coast- I would love to check it-and I am certainly not the first one who has thought about this.

[b]Ami, I understood you loud and clear, and trying to persuade people otherwise will not work. You were acting like a bigot towards Muslims. It was an inflammatory use of the Bible scripture to establish Christianity superiority and degrade Islamic culture, just like you have done on your website:

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/amis-political-corner/islamic-domina tion-different-domination/

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/amis -political-corner/asteroid-named-beast-fly-earth-sunday-pope-allows-quran-reading-vatican/

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/amis-political-cor ner/why-the-muslims-will-never-be-able-to-get-rid-of-the-jews/

You have made your point clear that you THINK you are right and are an innocent victim. Drop it and move on so that EmGem can salvage whatever is left of it.[/B]

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Wow.

From all appearances, you began this conversation (unnecessarily),

and I'm baffled at the tirade.

But more importantly, are you this rude to all newer posters

who don't *seemingly* kowtow to your opinion?

Am I permitted to identify with others, or have an opinion of my own?

This isn't about you.

And for the record, this post does not negate the one I just posted

prior to reading this nonsense.

posted April 12, 2015 06:05 AM            

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To EmGem:

I have a 12th House Taurus Mars.

I also have a Pisces moon, so I'm not sure if Mars has a Neptunian

vibe in and of itself.

I would classify myself as an ambivert.

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posted April 12, 2015 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The 12th house suppresses/turns inward. Hence, a planet there almost has it's back to the wall. If it is Mars, assertion is hard. If it is the Moon, expressing emotions is hard. If it is Venus, putting one's love out there is hard.

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I have Mars conjuct Neptune in my 12th house. Assertion has always been a challenge, I feel like people are always walking all over me. It can be hard.

posted April 12, 2015 09:13 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Interesting.
Would you say that your father was too lax and didn't provide discipline or structure? My mom is also a 12th house sun and her father was also very loving and present in her life when she was growing up. Unfortunately he died when she was 20. My mom has nothing but pleasant memories of her father. However, I would say that her relationship with her father still wasn't healthy and it ended up causing her pain. You see he was a golf pro and made lots of money. He spoiled his wife and kids and was very laidback and nice in general, too laidback. He was very generous with his money and spent it like it was going out of style.He was so bad at managing his finances that he didn't really have anything by the end of his golfing career and wasn't able to leave behind an inheritance when he died. The family went from living in a nice home on the beach in West Palm Beach,Florida to a small apartment here in East Tn. His lack of self discipline was transferred onto my mom and her siblings. All of them have struggled financially because their dad basically taught them to spend,spend,spend. This is especially true of my mom. As you can see my mom's dad was very nice,loving, and very close to his wife and kids but at the same time he wasn't a good father in alot of ways because he failed to teach his kids how to be responsible and manage money. He was more of a friend (like you called your father) than a father. I am being honest when I say that I've never met a 12th house sun (myself included) where there wasn't some kind of dysfunction or pain in the relationship with their father. Like I said earlier it manifests in different ways but it's always been there in my experience. Of course other aspects to the sun will play a role in all of it too but there is definitely a pattern there all the same.

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