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BellaFenice
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posted April 21, 2015 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vajra, I think I know whose chart that is, but I'll just stick to the aspects.

What sort of comparisons are you looking for? Or what I should focus on-similarities and differences I assume?

Edit: no, this person does not have sociopathic tendencies, they used their powers to selflessly help others and won a Nobel Peace Prize I believe. The aspects in the chart actually match what is known as the preacher's pattern along with the Pluto in Taurus gave it away.

@Midnightvenus

Ok, so obviously I am not a psychiatrist, so I can only state her behavior seems to meet/match sociopathic diagnostic characteristics. I'm not the only one in the department who feels this way either.

But yeah, some examples include:

-verbally abusing students who question her knowledge; she has irrationally snapped at students a few times to the point of people feeling threatened. It was kind of scary, tbh. But if you agree with her, then she will never stop praising you

-sabotaged someone's ability to get tenure by taking credit for their project and lied about incessantly. She is going to court with the PI over this. Basically she stole data, published it without the PI's permission, which was their main project. Has not apologized or shown remorse.

-told a diabetic student they couldn't eat or drink in the class because it offended her and to get over it. Also told a student whose family member died that they couldn't make up the final because it was a inconvenience to her and wasting her time.

- gave way lower grades to students who wrote assignments that challenged her viewpoints. Two people turned in the same quality of work and got way different grades. When asked about this, she responded: do not question me. Then went on a rant about how she has worked so hard to get here and that we are just biased against her.

-has lied about funding sources several times and blamed it on students. Had several grants going and mismanaged the money herself. Tried to blame it on other people, and went as far as threatened students unless they bent to her. Needless to say she doesn't have any students anymore.

-is extremely rude to faculty members unless they tell her how great she is. She has a superficial charm to her and will be nice to your face. My mentor had a meeting with her a few months ago and was shocked at the vitriole she said about other faculty members. She went on a tangent about how she hated this one lady everyone loves without a solidified reason, and this same lady she was kissing up to earlier. The only reason I can think of her disliking the other faculty member is because she is so popular and well-received.

-fabricated parts of her educational background. Claimed to have a MPH and MS when really she only had an MS. Fabricated some awards as well.

-tried to seduce a male student at her old institution (allegedly). This is hearsay and happened over 15 years ago, but confirmed by someone at her old institution. Didn't see the problem with what she had done and claimed he tried to seduce her and it was not her fault. Student countered with a different story, and she was dismissed from her old institution

-told her old grad student unless she ran her study for her she would complain to the chair and get her funding cut, threatened her again after the student complained, and never apologized or felt remorse for racially profiling a student (blamed the student for being a 'thug'), has literally manipulated and then lost all faculty friends for either publications, funding, or both.

-took someone’s name off a manuscript without telling them- they didn’t find out until the paper was published and this person contributed a lot to this paper (has to do with the fact the person got a student over them) has a very cold and emotionless stare, is paranoid that everyone is going to 'take her down,' so to speak, and blames everyone else for her academic failures

There is more but that is the gist of her personality. I don't blame the chart because I am firm believer the environment triggered her neuroses, and the chart only explains it.

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Janah
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posted April 21, 2015 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Janah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RAHU!

AKA The North Node. It's conjunct his moon exact in the 10th house opposite Pluto in the 4th!!!!!!

According to Vedic astrology, Rahu is the head of Ketu (South Node/headless body) and is known for losing its mind, feeling wanderlust, always WANTING IT ALL. Having the north node touch the moon can show one having taboo fantasies or a high sex drive, and just being pretty violent. The dark side of this aspect is one being a great instrument for lower astral beings, being extremely charismatic with very little to NO feelings on the inside, and harsh north node aspects to the Moon, Mars and Saturn are usually found in the charts of serial killers, sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, bipolar disorder patients, etc. Another way this aspect could play out is having issues with the mother and feeling disconnected from the emotions/major depression.

Moon in Aquarius: Feeling the need to join social groups and taking progressive strides to prove their cause IN THE...

10th house: which is ruled by Capricorn/Saturn. Hitler had Moon in Capricorn. They like to take control of situations and can be detached from feelings, or take a cool and delayed approach to them to really process everything. Very few Earth signs can be a bit prejudice, as is he. Same with fixed signs, i.e Axl Rose (Aquarius), but Charles' moon is...

Opposite Pluto in the 4th. I guess it shows that when Charles feels, it is intense, it is dark, sinister, suffocating, perverse (because Pluto is squaring Uranus in 12th), neurotic, paranoid, nostalgic, resentful, and there is definitely an agenda going on. Harsh Moon/Pluto aspects can indicate sexual abuse.

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posted April 21, 2015 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@BellaFenice I'm no expert, of course, but from what you wrote she seems more like a NPD type.

Symptoms taken from Psychcentral:

quote:
Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
Requires excessive admiration
Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

The sense of entitlement could also include acting like she's entitled to other people's things.

Maybe someone with more knowledge in this can give some insight.

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BellaFenice
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posted April 21, 2015 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is a good point, it fits NPD more! Either way, her behavior is not normal and quite destructive towards others. Just glad I do not have to deal with the insanity much longer!

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