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Topic: I REALLY wish people would stop associating the Midheaven with "Career"
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Aunt Anomalia
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From: Pandora's Box Tech
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posted June 08, 2015 10:41 AM
  
My MC is Gemini and in equal it falls into the 9th house. Kind of confusing. But it seems to make sense when I look at the big picture.------------------
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the89freespirit
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posted June 08, 2015 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Guys, i never said that the MC has nothing to do with your career. I said it is not DEFINED by your career. Its deeper than the limiting viewpoint of what a "career" is especially in THESE TIMES.If you want to use your MC to pinpoint what your "career" will be, then by all means. But there are so many other important factors being left out
I see what you're saying and it makes sense. You're right about society being career-obsessed nowadays, which is why the Midheaven can be a great guiding factor for your profession. I still interpret it that way. But, I definitely agree that it can be a personal compass in many other ways. Again, as I said before, it's the mark you want to make but that can translate into lots of different areas. Because, you're still showing your Midheaven when you interact with the world. I'm showing mine right now and this has nothing to do with my career. ------------------
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NYCdodger
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posted June 08, 2015 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I see what you're saying and it makes sense. You're right about society being career-obsessed nowadays, which is why the Midheaven can be a great guiding factor for your profession. I still interpret it that way. But, I definitely agree that it can be a personal compass in many other ways. Again, as I said before, it's the mark you want to make but that can translate into lots of different areas. Because, you're still showing your Midheaven when you interact with the world. I'm showing mine right now and this has nothing to do with my career.
When people stop becoming career-oriented and more SELF-oriented, their Midheaven will be expressed in infinite boundless ways. Paycheck or No paycheck. We forget that there is no midheaven without the IC. Which represents our internal universe. IP: Logged |
aleenaxo
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posted June 08, 2015 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I never said that the MC is limited to the 10th house. The MC could be in the 8th house depending on the chart. What I was saying was that the MC is a FOCUSED point of expression and should not be confused with the 10th house which is completely different.
I know you said that but I wanted to let you know that it was originally otherwise  IP: Logged |
aleenaxo
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posted June 08, 2015 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Guys, i never said that the MC has nothing to do with your career. I said it is not DEFINED by your career. Its deeper than the limiting viewpoint of what a "career" is especially in THESE TIMES.If you want to use your MC to pinpoint what your "career" will be, then by all means. But there are so many other important factors being left out
But your title says "I REALLY wish people would stop associating the Midheaven with "Career" That implies that you don't want people to think of career when they think of MC... Maybe a better title would've been "There's more to the MC than just a career" IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted June 08, 2015 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by aleenaxo:
But your title says "I REALLY wish people would stop associating the Midheaven with "Career"That implies that you don't want people to think of career when they think of MC... Maybe a better title would've been "There's more to the MC than just a career"
Did you read my first original post when i explained my intentions? The title I chose is the title I chose and i chose it for a reason. IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted June 08, 2015 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by aleenaxo:
I know you said that but I wanted to let you know that it was originally otherwise
oh ok. I'm sorry IP: Logged |
aleenaxo
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posted June 08, 2015 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Did you read my first original post when i explained my intentions? The title I chose is the title I chose and i chose it for a reason.
Yes I did it was just contradicting the title IP: Logged |
aleenaxo
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posted June 08, 2015 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
oh ok. I'm sorry
It's okay! I'm actually interested in what you are saying about the MC so I hope you don't think it's the other way around I only mentioned it because I saw that you mentioned astrology in earlier times IP: Logged |
Peluches
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posted June 08, 2015 12:48 PM
Great thread.  IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted June 08, 2015 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Great thread.
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Seimei
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posted June 08, 2015 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by aleenaxo:
Certain house systems don't use the highest point in the sky as their 10th house cusp The MC is defined as that point if it's not used as the tenth house cusp
To me highest point is Zenith regardless of whether MC is there of not. whole sign and equal are not really house systems at all. ------------------
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Belba
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posted June 08, 2015 01:52 PM
I agree, great thread! It's praising NYCdodger, every time someone comes up and warns about dangers of generalizing... And I get your critiques about our society overly concentrated on career. And I've seen you write that we should rather focus on ourselves more. But that for me couldn't be further of the truth, no society has ever be so individualistic as contemporary western, I mean if you just look at all the handbooks, all centered on personal growth, healthy eating, new age beliefs, yoga etc. etc. Anyway that's too off topic, I won't go any further. I just wanted to say that word career has a very negative connotation in lot of ways very rightly so, because career as in money grabbing, climbing the ladder no matter what, immoral greediness and unlimited hedonism, that explains our poor world right now... but career as in doing something worthwhile for the society, making yourself a man/woman of honor, respect, an admirable person that people can look up to, that doesn't necessarily mean something greedy and "ambitious". You can make a career in social work, teaching, non profit counseling etc. For me, MC is connecting with the world, the universe, doing something for it.. I can find a lot of parallels with North node, if they work in symphony one can really make a stamp on this world. It might be just my chart talking, because I have NN and MC aspected, but I've always compared NN/MC and SN/IC. IP: Logged |
the89freespirit
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posted June 08, 2015 02:19 PM
I'm curious now, NYCdodger...What is your Midheaven and its aspects, if you don't mind me asking? ------------------
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LionFish
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posted June 08, 2015 02:56 PM
I've always felt that the MC/IC axis deserved as much attention as a personal point in your chart as the Asc/Dsc axis! The impact people who aspect both points have a lasting impression on me, and apparently always have. Interesting for my particular case though is that my MC and my Sun/Moon midpoint are conjunct about 1 degree. I've always felt that it was the reason I wear my heart on my sleeve. The most personal part of me set at the most visible place in the chart. For your topic, my MC/IC axis is 9/3. I've never considered the MC in the houses, only in the signs (because of habitual placidus usage  ) My MC is Aries. It shares the 9th house with Venus and my Taurus NN. It trines it's ruler 5H Sag Mars exactly. Infact, if I'm not mistaken, it's the most exact aspect in my chart, that trine.
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FruityLlama
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posted June 08, 2015 04:07 PM
I suppose generally speaking the MC is what you become in the world if you get me. Like, the IC is the roots and the MC is the tree it grows into.
But it depends on what you're asking an astrologer- if you have career related questions, they'll look at the MC. But they'll look at the MC if you ask about destiny, life path, legacy anything like that.
But you're right with what you said about 1000 years ago careers weren't really established. However I would add that as times change, astrology does too in what it represents or encompasses. That's why a lot of the time you must take into consideration things like environment if you can when interpreting a natal chart. IP: Logged |
Gracha
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Registered: Jan 2013
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posted June 08, 2015 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Any contact between the Sun and the MC is a big deal. 10th house deals with our environment (don't confuse the 10th house with your MC. The 10th house is a house, but the MC is a personal expression that deals with that reality and it can be influenced by another house as i mentioned before) while the 4th house deals with home stability (don't confuse IC with the 4th house either)What are the signs associated with this?
This all very interesting. What if your MC is in the same sign as your sun/mars (Aries) but sun falls in 9th house? IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted June 08, 2015 04:22 PM
Can anyone tell me then, if the MC is the lifepath, then what is the difference between this path and the path of the NN?P.S. the word "soul" is not allowed! IP: Logged |
ReeseC
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posted June 08, 2015 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Any contact between the Sun and the MC is a big deal. 10th house deals with our environment (don't confuse the 10th house with your MC. The 10th house is a house, but the MC is a personal expression that deals with that reality and it can be influenced by another house as i mentioned before) while the 4th house deals with home stability (don't confuse IC with the 4th house either)What are the signs associated with this?
My Sun is 9'3 and MC is 9'27, in Gemini. IP: Logged |
LionFish
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posted June 08, 2015 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Can anyone tell me then, if the MC is the lifepath, then what is the difference between this path and the path of the NN?P.S. the word "soul" is not allowed!
What if the MC is the lifepath of this current lifetime and the NN shows the overall path we are trying to achieve in all of our incarnations. Like a chapter in a book. IP: Logged |
Swift Freeze
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posted June 08, 2015 07:00 PM
NYC, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on my MC/IC if you were willing?------------------
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Belba
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posted June 09, 2015 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by LionFish:
What if the MC is the lifepath of this current lifetime and the NN shows the overall path we are trying to achieve in all of our incarnations. Like a chapter in a book.
But what if you don't believe in incarnations? I'm also really interested in what NYCdodger thinks about comparing NN and MC IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 09, 2015 05:10 AM
All the interpretations that talk about my career have NEVER been accurate. Now this explains it. What about the traditional housewives who never had a career? I'm so glad I saw this. It's so big in my synastry with this guy and it's very helpful to have this explanation.IP: Logged |
athenaia
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posted June 09, 2015 07:20 PM
NYC, do you do chart readings? I love your writing style, it really resonates with me!IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted June 10, 2015 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Can anyone tell me then, if the MC is the lifepath, then what is the difference between this path and the path of the NN?
I think the NN represent the soul's urge. While the MC also represent your soul's urge. I'm one who believe there are redundancies in Astrology. For example; I have Sun conj MC. If you didn't know my TOB, I also have Sun ruler @ 0 Cancer - the natural MC. In conclusion, The NN represents the soul's urge. While the IC/MC shows the material/societal/reality urge. Traditional definitions of NN/SN have never resonated with me because I have Asc/Dsc across the NN/SN axis. So those definitions could very well be describing my Asc. For me, the NN/SN is an axis of Give & Take. And perhaps, a stand-in for those whose TOB is unknown. Don't know if I agree that the MC isn't about career. I believe the IC is a start & the MC is an end, materially. IP: Logged |
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