posted June 10, 2015 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Life paths are broader than that. Some people have a life path of being homeless and going on pilgrimages. You don't get paid for these things or have a salary. Many astrologers base the MC on things that deal with social norms.

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Some situations are hard to describe, and often misunderstood. It's not always 'what you think' it looks like on the outside. There are many persons in these kind of circumstances that did not bring it upon themselves, but were more a 3rd party to it by fate.

Count your blessings if it's "that easy" for you to see the solutions there. Some people have been so broken in life that they genuinely have no idea 'how' unless someone takes an interest and steps in to "show them" from 'the easy' vantage point~~ especially when dealing with extremely limited resources. Until you have an intimate look-see that goes beneath the covers of social lies, and false perceptions and built-up nonsensical notions and warnings, "how" can you really really know?

Some things are available to 'certain' types of people that are unfairly withheld from certain-others in society~ because of prejudices they think 'appear' ...

There is sooooo much we don't know that we-don't-know, until we're personally in the throes of discerning such a thing.

For some people, it's their choice.

For others, it's ultimately the "society's choice" whether others are to survive or not.... How much awareness do ppl at large have about their decisions on the ultimate-fate of others' lives, based on simple black-white split-hair decisions that are not even part of the overall quotient.

WHO... really 'gets a choice'? (-oy, chiron transits all over the place for me here today!)

{I'd appreciate some healing energies on my behalf right now.... things are in sensitive balance~ pardon the punning my Libra MC!}

very early Libra-MC .... I have intercepted houses, so 'I think' mine is from the 9th house... {{*heart*}}

*bheart* *This has been a 'Public Service Announcement'*
Appreciating what Belba said.
To "totally" judge a person by their chart-only (as some corps are hiring people to coldly do right now, like a machine). This does SUCH a disservice to free-will and those who wish to 'go against' the odds stacked against the chart, and the people who 'want' to support them.

With 'certain accomodations' and support for what are considered 'weak' in some circles, you 'personally' can never know the Gift inherent.....

Furthermore, perhaps the Greater Test is for 'that' Society... We are deciding many things right now, as a whole. What are the options and decisions that Society-today make in their efforts to improve the Lot for "Many Persons" who don't deserve 'the trap' they're in, at all.

There has to be a way to discern 'who' is coasting, and 'who' are treading water as hard as they can and 'getting lost' in the crowds of coasters~ for whatever reasons that can't be completely understood unless there is DIRECT involvement. This is Society's task right now....

Again, it can 'look' like one thing to you (speaking generally), and without peeking under the paper-chart, and seeing them 'as a person and sentient-being' who may just need a tiny bit more understanding than most, then Society can sorely miss their blessings.

posted June 11, 2015 04:24 PM            

I heard a while back that the 2nd house shows how a person makes their money and the talents they have to gain wealth. The 6th house shows everyday life, and the career would be included, and the 10th is your imprint on this planet. Your identity. Of course the 4th house rules the home, the subconscious thoughts, feelings, and behavioral patterns passed on by ancestors/genetics. When you leave your home (4th), you enter the world (10th).

North Node is a whole 'nother story. South Node to me is where one has already been in the past, it is something they have mastered and can easily use in this life to see results. North Node is the reallllly amazing desert you cannot stop gorging on because it makes you feel so good, even though you know too much of it is SO bad. It's something one cannot get enough of, to the point where they let it control them.

Maybe the difference between the 10th house and the North Node is that others can recognize your 10th house as something that is useful for improving society, while most will recognize one's North Node as an energy that pushes the person to fanaticism. I've also heard mastering the North Node is easy if the person embraces the South Node energy and utilizes it.

posted June 12, 2015 12:28 PM            

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i don't think you're making a strong point. for many people a "life path" is a career. even, if your example (like a creative person) wants to be on a path that is oriented to personal fulfillment they often find that through career. perhaps you are taking the word career too strictly; when an astrologer mentions the MC as a career point in the chart that could, easily enough be considered a life path. it doesn't mean "go be a banker because your mc indicates that." it can (and probably should) be more loosely interpreted as "your life path is to work with money." it's essentially the same, as i see it.

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^^This!!

Career:

A career is an individual's journey through learning, work and other aspects of life. There are a number of ways to define a career and the term is used in a variety of ways.

posted June 12, 2015 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:

Some situations are hard to describe, and often misunderstood. It's not always 'what you think' it looks like on the outside. There are many persons in these kind of circumstances that did not bring it upon themselves, but were more a 3rd party to it by fate.

Count your blessings if it's "that easy" for you to see the solutions there. Some people have been so broken in life that they genuinely have no idea 'how' unless someone takes an interest and steps in to "show them" from 'the easy' vantage point~~ especially when dealing with extremely limited resources. Until you have an intimate look-see that goes beneath the covers of social lies, and false perceptions and built-up nonsensical notions and warnings, "how" can you really really know?

Some things are available to 'certain' types of people that are unfairly withheld from certain-others in society~ because of prejudices they think 'appear' ...

There is sooooo much we don't know that we-don't-know, until we're personally in the throes of discerning such a thing.

For some people, it's their choice.

For others, it's ultimately the "society's choice" whether others are to survive or not.... How much awareness do ppl at large have about their decisions on the ultimate-fate of others' lives, based on simple black-white split-hair decisions that are not even part of the overall quotient.

WHO... really 'gets a choice'? (-oy, chiron transits all over the place for me here today!)

{I'd appreciate some healing energies on my behalf right now.... things are in sensitive balance~ pardon the punning my Libra MC!}

very early Libra-MC .... I have intercepted houses, so 'I think' mine is from the 9th house... {{*heart*}}

*bheart* *This has been a 'Public Service Announcement'*
Appreciating what Belba said.
To "totally" judge a person by their chart-only (as some corps are hiring people to coldly do right now, like a machine). This does SUCH a disservice to free-will and those who wish to 'go against' the odds stacked against the chart, and the people who 'want' to support them.

With 'certain accomodations' and support for what are considered 'weak' in some circles, you 'personally' can never know the Gift inherent.....

Furthermore, perhaps the Greater Test is for 'that' Society... We are deciding many things right now, as a whole. What are the options and decisions that Society-today make in their efforts to improve the Lot for "Many Persons" who don't deserve 'the trap' they're in, at all.

There has to be a way to discern 'who' is coasting, and 'who' are treading water as hard as they can and 'getting lost' in the crowds of coasters~ for whatever reasons that can't be completely understood unless there is DIRECT involvement. This is Society's task right now....

Again, it can 'look' like one thing to you (speaking generally), and without peeking under the paper-chart, and seeing them 'as a person and sentient-being' who may just need a tiny bit more understanding than most, then Society can sorely miss their blessings.

*heart* Peace to All

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I think I love you. LOL.

posted June 16, 2015 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
I think I love you. LOL.

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posted June 17, 2015 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I'm curious now, NYCdodger...

What is your Midheaven and its aspects, if you don't mind me asking?

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Sag MC/Gem IC in the 11th/5th house

1) Lilith is conjunct my MC by 0 degrees. Its EXACT. I never realized how strongly Lilith was affecting my life and now it makes sense.

2) Eros & Psyche is conjunct my IC by a few degrees.

posted June 17, 2015 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
I agree, great thread!

It's praising NYCdodger, every time someone comes up and warns about dangers of generalizing... And I get your critiques about our society overly concentrated on career. And I've seen you write that we should rather focus on ourselves more. But that for me couldn't be further of the truth, no society has ever be so individualistic as contemporary western, I mean if you just look at all the handbooks, all centered on personal growth, healthy eating, new age beliefs, yoga etc. etc. Anyway that's too off topic, I won't go any further. I just wanted to say that word career has a very negative connotation in lot of ways very rightly so, because career as in money grabbing, climbing the ladder no matter what, immoral greediness and unlimited hedonism, that explains our poor world right now... but career as in doing something worthwhile for the society, making yourself a man/woman of honor, respect, an admirable person that people can look up to, that doesn't necessarily mean something greedy and "ambitious". You can make a career in social work, teaching, non profit counseling etc.

For me, MC is connecting with the world, the universe, doing something for it.. I can find a lot of parallels with North node, if they work in symphony one can really make a stamp on this world. It might be just my chart talking, because I have NN and MC aspected, but I've always compared NN/MC and SN/IC.

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If you mean western society is individualistic because they are selfish then I agree. But what I am saying is that people have lost connections with their true selves and what they are here to bring to the world.

posted June 17, 2015 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Can anyone tell me then, if the MC is the lifepath, then what is the difference between this path and the path of the NN?

P.S. the word "soul" is not allowed!

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posted June 17, 2015 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:
NYC, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on my MC/IC if you were willing?

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posted June 17, 2015 11:31 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
NYC, do you do chart readings? I love your writing style, it really resonates with me!

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posted June 17, 2015 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Perhaps it doesnt decide your career or your day job, but "how" you do it and your drive and passion. Your motives for doing what you do. You can have 2 completely different priests for example. The one with midheaven in Aquarius may throw all the rules out the window and change the foundation of his church. The one with Pisces midheaven may give a lot more of his time than required helping people out or going out of his way to visit the dying.

My midheaven is in Aquarius while my north node is in Aries. I guess my lifepath is to be a leader of something rebellious and unconventional!

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Go for it!! :-) All i am saying is that the midheaven transcends beyond what people assume a "career" is. There are so many different qualities to a sign that can be expressed.

posted June 17, 2015 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
^^This!!

Career:

A career is an individual's journey through learning, work and other aspects of life. There are a number of ways to define a career and the term is used in a variety of ways.

Career is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as a person's "course or progress through life (or a distinct portion of life)". In this definition career is understood to relate to a range of aspects of an individual's life, learning and work. Career is also frequently understood to relate to the working aspects of an individuals life e.g. as in career woman. A third way in which the term career is used to describe an occupation or a profession that usually involves special training or formal education,[1] and is considered to be a person’s lifework.

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posted June 17, 2015 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
Me too, seriously. Your level of insight, a rare diamond to see
I haven't noticed you around mirage29. Where have you been hiding?

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Thanks Belba!... Big distractions in the home & 'hood here that I can't seem to escape (for the time being). I only get spurts of time. And when I have it, I try to make those Count!

posted June 17, 2015 02:57 PM            

Some people don't have careers, but vocations/trades, or engage in various types of lesser skilled work, all of which belong to the 6th house.

Some people's charts show information or placements that seem somewhat contradictory, which requires you understand the person in overall context before any 'career' advice can be given. Example: a person's chart shows ambition with Saturn and Pluto factors, ruler of MC in 9th, and expresses interest in law. However, high sensitivity and highly individual needs shown by the Moon/aspects and Sun sign lean the better choice in the direction of another expressed interest: psychology.

You cannot simply apply cookbook equations of signs with groups of occupations without being wrong a large part of the time. If one's personality and personal needs (Asc/1st, Moon) don't match with the demands of a particular profession, then the client should be told. Young people often fall short in understanding the demands or day-to-day reality of a particular profession, though they may desire the prestige of it.

For happiness, we have to live in the reality of our personal needs and what is required to keep ourselves in balance -- at or away from work. There is not enough money or job prestige to cast that aside.

posted June 17, 2015 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Can anyone tell me then, if the MC is the lifepath, then what is the difference between this path and the path of the NN?

P.S. the word "soul" is not allowed!

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The word 'soul' is not required to explain the Nodes.

The North Node is a point in the horoscope that shows the future point of unity between your Sun and Moon energies. It cannot be understood without a positive look at the South Node and understanding it.

The Nodes are often referred to as the 'lunar nodes.' Half right. They are the places (north/south) where the Moon's path crosses the Sun's path (ecliptic).

The Nodal axis shows the general direction one's life can take to achieve maximum unity of the inner/outer, feminine/masculine principles within oneself. There need be no 'should' associated with this and no 'must.' Nothing gets specific here until you locate the Nodes within a chart with a correct, validated Asc degree, or at least taking into account aspects to the Nodes in both longitude and declination.

South Node = starting place with which one is familiar; a keyhole to one's past or to the related, relevant collective wisdom.

North Node = a peephole to your future where you can achieve maximum unity and integration in the course of growth and development; a target.

NYCDodger is right in saying the Nodes move too slowly (1 sign/1.5 yrs) and are not specific enough to reveal a lot -- when taken by sign -- and that the MC/10th (assuming an accurate chart/Asc) gives far more specific info. However, a lot of the confusion comes not from astrology, but from the myriad of choices in our modern world. It is more important to have a general orientation by understanding your Nodes generally than to pounce upon a 'career' as THE 'right one.'

The astrological birth chart is not an airtight set of personal commandments for how to live your life. All learning comes through experience, and through experience all learning is owned. Yes, I could waste my time in a line of work that doesn't suit me, but I could also glean learning that goes outside of just the arena of work or my service in the world. I might learn a much needed lesson in how to get along with others, or teamwork, or business, even in that stint in a job that was not my 'ultimate' career. I might even need to learn that lesson before I can be successful elsewhere.

It is important not to squeeze the birth chart too hard for specific answers well ahead of our life understanding.

posted June 17, 2015 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
I think I love you. LOL.

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I loved that comment, too.

mirage, you're spectacular

posted June 17, 2015 04:12 PM            

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You cannot simply apply cookbook equations of signs with groups of occupations without being wrong a large part of the time. If one's personality and personal needs (Asc/1st, Moon) don't match with the demands of a particular profession, then the client should be told. Young people often fall short in understanding the demands or day-to-day reality of a particular profession, though they may desire the prestige of it.

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So true.

In my case...I'm almost positive I have an Aries MC, disposited by 11H Gemini Mars. So one might think...public relations?

But....with an 8H Pisces moon squaring Mars, I really can't stand dealing with that many people on a regular basis. Other people with an Aries MC might thrive in a hectic and competitive office culture, but I got bogged down with all the vibes I was picking up around me in that environment, and it was hard to just focus and enjoy work.

posted June 17, 2015 04:59 PM            

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]Then I stand corrected. Would you consider a career being homeless, traveling the world to study different cultures without being paid a dime? If so, then I'll make another thread with this info you have provided. Serious :-)

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Yes. Going by the OED definition of the word, those things would be considered careers. As would; student, homemaker, socialite, volunteer-firefighter...

I think your definition of MC is spot on. The issue is you're using a narrow definition of the word Career, while ignoring its other applications. Career, it turns out, is a pretty broad term and is used in a variety of ways.

posted June 17, 2015 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
And thanks for your wisdom, Kannon.

So true.

In my case...I'm almost positive I have an Aries MC, disposited by 11H Gemini Mars. So one might think...public relations?

But....with an 8H Pisces moon squaring Mars, I really can't stand dealing with that many people on a regular basis. Other people with an Aries MC might thrive in a hectic and competitive office culture, but I got bogged down with all the vibes I was picking up around me in that environment, and it was hard to just focus and enjoy work.

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Yes, that is exactly the point I'm making here. People with greater sensitivities, more sensitive 'antennae' are generally better off working in smaller, more personal environments or one-on-one. People with big energy/big ego/ambition may need to choose a profession that opens up many doorways for their ambitions.

A single chart factor, even the MC's ruler/sign/house cannot be relied upon to indicate everyone's profession. Lots of people are restless and don't want to get stuck in any one profession. The chart as a whole must be taken into consideration, not just the MC/10th.

posted June 18, 2015 08:44 PM            

What can u tell from my MC? Does It Fall in 9h or 10th ?
Has valentine conj by 1 degree but Venus and NN are also close

How tight/wide do you keep the orbs?

The man I love has his DSC cj my MC by 1 degree
Does that make a relationship "meant to be"?