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Topic: Saturn - Ties That Bind
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Aquacheeka
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posted June 10, 2015 09:16 AM
  
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The point is (statistical conclusion) hard aspects are much more binding.
Another thing that matters a lot: Saturn in long-term marital relationships is not just an aspect, it's an entire theme. It usually is richly aspected; the aspects are either predominant (major theme; Saturn to luminaries, angles, nodes, Venus or Mars is a major theme) or many. That's why you usually see at least one hard + one soft aspect.
I have noticed Saturn in multiples in many synastries (I've done somewhere around 60 in the last 3 months), though certainly not all (one hard aspect seems to be enough many times), but it's oftentimes one Saturn aspect to a personal planet and one or more to an outer planet, or a neutral planet like Mercury or Jupiter. It's not always one hard to a personal planet, and one soft to a personal planet. I don't know if this dynamic would count in the theme.
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Aquacheeka
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posted June 10, 2015 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
I got the impression from Lisa Niemi's book that they loved each other with a passion but fought like crazy, too. They separated at least once that I can recall. She complained that he would break his promises to her to take care of himself, and he'd take risks far beyond what she could handle. He was very self-destructive at some points, and she resented him for it. But they did pull through that, and I think he died with them on peaceful, loving terms.
Faith, do you and your husband have any Neptune in your synastry mix?
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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 10, 2015 09:34 AM
Some aspects from my thread, luminaries only (for DWs, I always include wider aspects as well, when it comes to luminaries/Saturn)"Famous long-term couples and the "dreaded" Saturn lol (number 7) Liz/Richard Burton Sun/Saturn conjunct Moon (1)
Sun trine Saturn (9)
Sun quintile Saturn (0)
Composite Moon quintile Saturn (1)
Davison Moon sextile Saturn (3)
Princess Lillian/Prince Bertil
Sun trine Saturn
DW Moon conjunct Saturn (0 and 2)
Composite Sun/Moon conjunct Saturn (6 and 1)
Davison Sun/Moon opp Saturn (8 and 2)
Elizabeth/Robert Browning
Moon square Saturn (2)
Napoleon/Josephine
Moon square Saturn (5)
Moon trine Saturn (7) Lauren Bacall/Bogie Sun square Saturn (2)
Sun sextile Saturn (2)
Moon trine Saturn (1)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (7)
Davison Sun conjunct Saturn (5) on DSC trine Moon (2)
Linda/Paul McCartney
Sun trine Saturn (3)
Sun semisextile Saturn (1)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (1)
Davison Sun square Saturn (5) Moon trine Saturn (7) Joanne Woodward/Paul Newman Sun trine Saturn (4), also Saturn on ASC/Venus
Composite Sun quintile Saturn (1)
June Carter/Johnny Cash (TOB unkn June)
Sun quincunx Saturn (1)
Composite Sun trine Saturn (8)
Davison Sun sextile Saturn (4)
Brangelina
Sun trine Saturn (4)
Moon opposite Saturn (4)
Composite Moon sextile Saturn (1)
Davison Moon trine Saturn (4), Sun trine Saturn (8)
Wallis Simpson/Edward Windsor
Moon conjunct Saturn (1)
Moon trine Saturn (8)
Composite Sun trine Saturn (0), Moon sextile Saturn (2)
Davison Sun conjunct Moon trine Saturn (0 to 4)
Camilla/Charles
Moon sextile Saturn (3)
Moon square Saturn (8)
Davison Sun sesquisquare Saturn, Moon semisquare Saturn (0)
Eva/Juan Peron
Sun opp. Saturn (7)
Composite Sun sextile Saturn (1)
Davison Sun trine Saturn (2)
Rita Wilson/Tom Hanks
Sun sesquis Saturn (0)
Moon trine Saturn (5)
Moon trine Saturn (7)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (6)
Davison Moon trine Saturn (5)
Goldie Hawn/Kurt Russel
Sun sextile Saturn (0)
Sun trine Saturn (1)
Moon square Saturn (2)
Moon conjunct Saturn (6)
Composite Sun quincunx Saturn (1)
Davison Moon sesquis Saturn
Marie/Pierre Curie
Sun opp. Saturn (1)
Sun square Saturn (6)
Composite Moon square Saturn (8), in Davison too, plus Sun semisquare Saturn (0)
BTW, a majority of couples from the previous post have Saturn square NN in synastry.
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Faith
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posted June 10, 2015 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Faith, do you and your husband have any Neptune in your synastry mix?
My Neptune is widely conjunct his Saturn, almost 5 degrees. His Neptune is square my Saturn. In composite we have a Mercury-NN-Neptune conjunction in Scorpio, part of a tight kite formation that includes Cancer Mars-Juno-ASC, Virgo Pluto-Uranus, and Chiron in Pisces at the apex, tightly conjunct my moon. If you are looking for longevity, kites and other rigid geometric structures in the composite can help.  Not that I knew anything beyond sun sign astrology when I got married...it's just weird how symmetrical and fitting our charts are, and how we sensed that enough to get engaged after one date. I mean it looked haphazard and crazy to others but it made perfect, orderly sense to us.  IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted June 10, 2015 10:12 AM
I posted that little list to underline my observation that in important love stories/marital couples, there usually is at least one aspect from Saturn to Sun and/or Moon, in particular. Usually more than one. Even wider, but it still IS there which is very interesting, IMO.
There are many people who come to an astrologer and say: "we have Moon sq Saturn, how awful, what are we gonna do?" whilst these aspects are actually common and a very good sign.IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 10, 2015 11:52 AM
LeeLoo, Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem have moon square Saturn exact at 22 degrees.You can add them to your list IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 10, 2015 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I agree with Nadia. She's exactly right about softer synastry aspects needing multiples usually to equal the effect of a conjunction, for example.In synastry, [b]the strongest bonds are created by parallels and conjunctions. Squares, oppositions, and parallels also. However, the principle goes the other way with the latter group if it is Mars-Saturn, Saturn-Pluto. For many people those drive you away instead of enhancing bonding between people. [/B]
I agree so much with this. I have 9 squares with my S.O. and several conjunctions as well. It is the closest and most intimate relationship I have ever had. There are certain squares and conjunctions I really want, like those to Jupiter and Venus. But it depends on the planets involved. Moon-moon squares or any hard aspect (including the conjunction) between Mars and Saturn or Mars and Pluto I think can push people away if they escalate into violence or verbal abuse. I agree with CafeAstrology's analysis to take care with that aspect (Mars/Saturn). IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted June 10, 2015 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
LeeLoo, Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem have moon square Saturn exact at 22 degrees.You can add them to your list
really?? then I am happy for them hahahaha mommy and daddy, this aspect IP: Logged |
peony
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posted June 10, 2015 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Moon opp Saturn DW...
His Saturn and other planets completes a grand cross for her
Her Saturn completes a grand cross for him...Stronger than crazy glue, welds, cement... Survives the couples divorce, second, third breakups, marriages to others, kids, family, friends begging them not to get back together... Ugh! There simply is no escape. Its the event horizon of a black hole. All you can do is adjust your orbit and accept it. Sat opp moon DW, winner and still champion!
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peony
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posted June 10, 2015 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I think 15-20 years of widowhood is a bit more tragic than dying months or even minutes in some cases, apart. One is beautiful; the other is just depressing.
That's interesting. I see it more in terms of the gift of being in a loving union with someone, and being grateful for having the time together, but I don't see the separation that comes with death as a tragedy, because I don't see the connection as ending when the person leaves their body and this world.
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peony
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posted June 10, 2015 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
I got the impression from Lisa Niemi's book that they loved each other with a passion but fought like crazy, too. They separated at least once that I can recall. She complained that he would break his promises to her to take care of himself, and he'd take risks far beyond what she could handle. He was very self-destructive at some points, and she resented him for it. But they did pull through that, and I think he died with them on peaceful, loving terms.
Faith, thank you for weighing in! I haven't read the book yet but what I have read gave me the impression they had a very deep love for each other, even though he probably wasn't easy to live with at times. Also, thanks! for your comments on Venus-Saturn and sharing the synastry aspects with your husband. I have similar ones with my partner, so I really appreciate your perspective being further down the road. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted June 10, 2015 06:00 PM
curious to know about saturn sesquiquadrate aspects in synastry. do they count much?IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 11, 2015 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by peony:
Faith, thank you for weighing in! I haven't read the book yet but what I have read gave me the impression they had a very deep love for each other, even though he probably wasn't easy to live with at times. Also, thanks! for your comments on Venus-Saturn and sharing the synastry aspects with your husband. I have similar ones with my partner, so I really appreciate your perspective being further down the road.
I agree I have the hard aspect in my synastry too so it was really insightful. IP: Logged |
peony
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posted June 11, 2015 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I posted that little list to underline my observation that in important love stories/marital couples, there usually is at least one aspect from Saturn to Sun and/or Moon, in particular. Usually more than one. Even wider, but it still IS there which is very interesting, IMO.
There are many people who come to an astrologer and say: "we have Moon sq Saturn, how awful, what are we gonna do?" whilst these aspects are actually common and a very good sign.
Thank you, LeeLoo for doing this. This is OT, but do you include biquintiles in synastry or just major aspects? IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 22, 2015 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
really?? then I am happy for them hahahaha mommy and daddy, this aspect
Britney and her man have it too, it seems! Her Aqua moon is square his Saturn in Scorpio within 2 degrees. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted June 22, 2015 05:03 PM
The key is that Saturn aspects not overwhelm the Venus and Jupiter aspects in a relational synastry. The key in long-term relationships may not be the synastry as much as the work both people are willing to put into it. I'm assuming that everyone wants a happy, long-lasting relationship. My parents celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary this month. Their synastry is practically devoid of Jupiter interaspects and heavy in Saturn. However, they have lots of 'hard' aspects involving Asc/Moon/Sun, etc. I admire their commitment, but I never wanted a relationship like theirs the way I experienced it or view it now. Therefore, I have a relationship with looser bonds in synastry, more Venus, Jupiter, less Saturn. Its still work. The work comes from the effort to overcome human ego and know clearly your needs in the direct face of anothers' ego and real human needs. ------------------
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Aquacheeka
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posted June 28, 2015 08:21 PM
LeeLoo, turns out Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn also have Venus square Saturn at 0 degrees.
So do Mark Hildreth and Kristen Kreuk, they've been together since 2004. In both cases, as someone said, Saturn is a theme. They have other Saturn aspects too (all squares).IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 28, 2015 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The key is that Saturn aspects not overwhelm the Venus and Jupiter aspects in a relational synastry. The key in long-term relationships may not be the synastry as much as the work both people are willing to put into it. I'm assuming that everyone wants a [b]happy, long-lasting relationship. My parents celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary this month. Their synastry is practically devoid of Jupiter interaspects and heavy in Saturn. However, they have lots of 'hard' aspects involving Asc/Moon/Sun, etc. I admire their commitment, but I never wanted a relationship like theirs the way I experienced it or view it now. Therefore, I have a relationship with looser bonds in synastry, more Venus, Jupiter, less Saturn. Its still work. The work comes from the effort to overcome human ego and know clearly your needs in the direct face of anothers' ego and real human needs. [/B]
I can see the wisdom here. Uranus helps a lot too, I think, to also make things fun and keep it from being too heavy. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted July 01, 2015 03:12 PM
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