posted July 01, 2015 08:35 PM            

People with strong 1st houses...
"Everything is simple. Just do it"

People with strong 8th houses...
"It's never that simple. Wait."

posted July 02, 2015 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Lol...my mind went to a dirty place as I read your comment! Maybe it's Pluto on my AC?

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Whatever works for you.

posted July 02, 2015 06:55 AM            

Aries...ruled...by...Pluto?

*laughs*

You gotta be kidding me.
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As for Pluto being overrated.

I think the problem here is that "descriptions" of Signs and/or Planets are bound to be modified and can never be found in pure form in any chart/individual because there are so many other factors.

From an advanced astrology point of view, those descriptions become almost useless and can be damaging, because they focus on one aspect of the chart/person, without taking into account all the other factors.

We all need to learn to synthesize the information in the charts, instead of singling one/a few part(s) out. That's completely unproductive because guess what, everyone is unique, and while it is true that there are similarities, you can never find someone who completely "embodies" any one energy/sign/planet.

That's why you'll find many Plutonians/Scorpians who don't seem to conform to the descriptions, because they'll have some strong Uranus or Leo energy going on somewhere, for example, or squares from Saturn and so on. It doesn't mean they don't *have* Plutonian energy - they do, but it's just heavily modified by other things, and therefore can't be expressed in a "pure" or "expected" manner.

Sign/planet descriptions are a start, they're good for understanding what the energy in itself is all about. But they can't be applied to real people in a simple manner. We're all way too multi-faceted for that.

So you're basically focusing on a detail here, and missing the big picture.
Now, I'm not saying it's your fault, because the cook-book descriptions do exist, and they can make people disbelieve in Astrology, which is a shame.

You gotta understand that this is 1st grade astrology. It doesn't have any depth to it, and anyone who studies astrology for some time should be able to understand that nothing is cut and dry, there are tons of factors co-existing with each other. Which makes it a not-so-easy field of study...

posted July 02, 2015 06:58 AM            

As far as not being fooled in the 8th house, paranoia and depth perception are mainly found thru trauma and it sounds like maybe she has never been thru the intensity of being fooled. If she ever goes thru a situation where her perception was built on a lie, then she may become less naive.

posted July 02, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
"...From an advanced astrology point of view..."

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~ Uuuhh...

posted July 02, 2015 10:41 PM              

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
A girl i know she has scorpio venus and asc with pluto in her first house and conj her asc and she`s not even half of what they tend to write about that placement like for example powerful, intense, profound etc. She concerns herself with more superficial stuff and puts value in ridiculous unimportant stuff and waste lots of time and energy on it and can be very shallow. She`s not a leader she is more of a follower and just follows the crowd she`s in even if she don`t want to do what they want. She also have an 8th house mars btw. Another girl i know with sun square pluto, mars sextile pluto, merc trine pluto and with a 8th house moon i mean come on when i read about those placements, aspects damn almost none of it matched well with how she is. She is easily fooled something an 8th house moon supposedly isn`t, her perceptions are way off and is easily manipulated. Even when she tries to manipulate its so obvious that it ends up not going in her favour, and aren`t scorpios/8th house/plutonian people the masters of manipulation? or it seems like they are the masters of everything..
Why are descriptions on scorpios/8th house placements and pluto aspects so overdone and overrated? I have even met and known naive (yeah, NAIVE) Scorpio moons WITH PLUTO CONJUNCT THEIR MOON EVEN.

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The whole person is barely represented by what we call a whole astrology chart and your picking parts so this whole concept is flawed, sorry to break it to you.

posted July 02, 2015 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
~ It never stops amazing me how one of the most introverted Zodiac influences, always reveal what they are by trying to prove what they aren't.

I guess, your deductive qualities actually failed in this case.
Mentioning that Pluto should Rule Aries instead of Scorpio, makes actually more sense than what you Ms Doux, have written.
Because if most people believes Scorpio is ruled by Pluto and Mars (which not even Mythologically speaking coincides, because Scorpio is actually very sensitive about topics as "Death, Pain and being alone". When Pluto/Hades was never affected by this, logically )

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I don't know... it could be argued that Hades may very well have

identified with that, after kidnapping Persephone and tricking her

into eating the pomegranate seeds, so she could never really leave

for good.

Even though he later worked out a deal with her mother to *share* her...

ultimately, she WOULD come back to his dungeon.

And that is very Scorpionic, indeed.

Quite the grip.

posted July 03, 2015 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
So, I'm baiting myself?
If Pluto conjunct asc makes me plutonian.
There's so many strong things in my chart.

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posted July 03, 2015 06:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Sorry, not directed at you

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posted July 03, 2015 12:18 PM            

Sorry to see you misunderstood my post entirely.

posted July 03, 2015 03:14 PM              

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Originally posted by GemBird82:

Scorpio rules fanatism, big corporations, big crowds, majorities and also obsession too.

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I've always thought scorpios are so obsessed with themselves and Scorpio traits because of this. They overhype the cookie cutter Scorpio traits. And the fanaticism carries them away into a kind of delusional version of themselves and other scorpion. Of course Scorpio is also the sign of transformation and rebirth and willpower so they very well may remake themselves to fit this image conciously or subconsciously. A lot of scorpios are simply extroverts because they have all that inner friction which harnessed means inner power, and if you observe people usually very powerful, and even manipulative people are extroverts. 8th house people don't try to sugarcoat their version of what they see as opposed to like libra or Pisces or Aquarius. So they are really aware of how the world works and aren't opposed to selling out to be powerful in it.