posted August 03, 2015 06:24 PM            

Here's mine:

16 Aries Jupiter
16 Gemini Mars
11 Libra Pluto
12 Sag Neptune

A while back, I asked LL member Xiiro's opinion of it, as he's a highly gifted astrologer, generous with his time, and he was kind enough to help me decipher it. Perhaps his interpretative strategy will inspire others?

He said the following, and I'm putting in bold the parts that resonate with me the absolute most...

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A Mystic rectangle combines two oppositions, two trines, and two sextiles. It is said there is great potential for elevated learning experiences. This is because both oppositions can rely on their easy aspects to help each other flow together.

In your case the opposing lessons are:
GEM MAR 11H/SAG NEP 5H - Being driven to participate/communicate as an every day person, while simultaneously dreaming of being an unimpeded/undefined spiritual force.

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ARI JUP 9H/LIB PLU 3H - Respecting your personal/spiritual evolution while attempting to respect your close relationships.

Oppositions -

When these energies are at odds, you can feel torn between being ordinary and extraordinary. You see value and sentimentality in humanity, but struggle with religion's vilification of our nature. You can see the good and evil in both humanity and spirituality, but instead of pursuing both circumstantially, you experience conflict and guilt for pursuing either. You may find yourself seeking answers from regimented/structured sources, because when left alone to decipher the finer points, it all just seems to unravel into hypocrisy or corruption. Too much emphasis on someone else's spiritual philosophy can draw you away from discovering your own. No one can tell you how to be a "Faith", that is ultimately up to you to quilt together from your own experiences.

You can also find great opposition between your spiritual evolutionary needs and the needs/judgments of those who are close to you. You experience a great balancing act after great spiritual/personal discovery. This is because you are on the fast track to spiritual/personal discovery, while those you surround your self with require you to remain unchanged. Being shut up, especially spiritually, is a great injustice to you, but so is forcing others to accept/respect drastic transformation. So slowly but surely, like a caterpillar meticulously constructing a cocoon, you must edge your relationships into accepting your eventual butterfly-hood.

Trines -

"Being driven to participate as an every day person (aka celebrating your humanity)" and "respecting your close relationships in a way which is fair for all involved (aka respecting the humanity of others)", are aspects of your personality which work easily together. You are driven to comprehend and associate with the humanity in people/situations. Because of this you are well equipped to tailor your own transformation with respect to the needs of those you keep close.

also

"Evolving your self spiritually" and "aspiring to unleash your spiritual creativity", are aspects of your personality which also support each other. You feel creatively stifled if you are not free to pursue spirituality and as a result, you seek the unconditional meaning of life, eventually growing into a more spiritually unique being.

Sextiles -

If you apply your comprehension of humanity toward spiritual growth (Mars -> Jupiter) and conversely apply your spiritual experiences toward deepening your understanding humanity (Mars <- Jupiter); use your sensitivity to those who you care for as a gauge for keeping yourself spiritually grounded (Pluto -> Neptune) and conversely use the desire for spiritual freedom to deepen your respect for the desires of others (Pluto <- Neptune); you will automatically solve the question between your oppositions:

How to discover and celebrate your spiritual nature while remaining grounded, responsible, and useful to the world?

That's how I would read it. =)

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posted August 03, 2015 07:36 PM              

Mars and Pluto are opposite and Venus and Uranus/Neptune are opposite.

Mars/Taurus 4th house
Pluto/Scorp 10th house (I think Juno is involved as well)
Venus/Cancer 6th house (chiron is involved)
Uranus/Neptune/Capricorn are in my 12th house

I don't know what to say about this placement because Im still learning it. I hear that its rare and doesn't show up often in a chart but i hear different things about it. i know Angelina Jolie has it, and Mozart. Pharrell Williams has it as well.

One thing I can say is that I'm very creative and intuitive. I love writing as well as music. My Sag MC helps me focus this in my life and I TRULY want to invest this in the world, I don't care about money. But I do go through periods when I question and doubt what I'm doing.

posted August 03, 2015 07:39 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
^^ Will you tell us your placements and your thoughts about it?

Here's mine:

16 Aries Jupiter
16 Gemini Mars
11 Libra Pluto
12 Sag Neptune

A while back, I asked LL member Xiiro's opinion of it, as he's a highly gifted astrologer, generous with his time, and he was kind enough to help me decipher it. Perhaps his interpretative strategy will inspire others?

He said the following, and I'm putting in bold the parts that resonate with me the absolute most...

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How to discover and celebrate your spiritual nature while remaining grounded, responsible, and useful to the world?

That's how I would read it. =)

posted August 03, 2015 08:16 PM            

Like other great mystics through time.

I'm going to think about yours a little more and see if I brainstorm anything.

For now, just wanted to say...

1) I wonder how to find the middle of the rectangle? Have you thought of that? I suppose you take the midpoint of each sextile pair, and then find the midpoint between those midpoints.

For me that is 16 Taurus/11.5 Scorpio, boiling down to 13.5 Leo, roundabouts.

2) I have the same mystic rectangle as Angelina Jolie except she has moon-Mars-Jupiter where I only have Jupiter, and her sun in Gemini is where I have Mars. Pretty clear that hers would be more potent or straightforward than mine.

3)

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I CAN DEFINITELY RELATE TO THIS..

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posted August 03, 2015 09:15 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks for answering...I think you may have said it all? That you have this great drive to make an artistic/spiritual impact, and you're willing to make other sacrifices, to enable that to happen?

Like other great mystics through time.

I'm going to think about yours a little more and see if I brainstorm anything.

For now, just wanted to say...

1) I wonder how to find the middle of the rectangle? Have you thought of that? I suppose you take the midpoint of each sextile pair, and then find the midpoint between those midpoints.

For me that is 16 Taurus/11.5 Scorpio, boiling down to 13.5 Leo, roundabouts.

2) I have the same mystic rectangle as Angelina Jolie except she has moon-Mars-Jupiter where I only have Jupiter, and her sun in Gemini is where I have Mars. Pretty clear that hers would be more potent or straightforward than mine.

3)

Me too!

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posted August 04, 2015 11:52 AM            

Note exact Venus-Uranus square (red) and exact Jupiter-Saturn square

Here's her heliocentric natal chart as shown by HPAT:

posted August 04, 2015 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Thing is, i never really thought there was any significance to this pattern. I'm still trying to figure it out lol.

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Same here ~ well it's difficult to get a grasp on this configuration because not a lot of people have it, so you don't have enough to go on, when you're looking to see the pattern of how it manifests.

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I guess the midpoint would have to be SAG/GEMINI being that the sextile occurs between Cap/Scorp and Taurus/Cancer?? Then that would mean that the midpoint between that would either be Pisces or Virgo. Im not sure lol

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Yes ~ Virgo, or Virgo-Pisces axis.

My thinking is, the center of the mystic rectangle must have significance...perhaps it shows where you "open the envelope."

For me, with a Leo-Aqua midpoint axis running through the center, I feel that I need to put myself out there (Leo) in an odd way (Aqua) to summon and apply the potential of the rectangle. Also Leo-Aqua turns the Rectangle into a Grand Sextile.

My whole rectangle is masculine, so it's an extroverted affair. I've joked before that I feel like I single-handedly have to lift everybody's spirits in any room I enter. Well it's not a joke, I FEEL that way, but succeeding is another issue.

Yours is feminine so there will be more emphasis on introspection, absorbing things from your environment and honing your own sensitivities a great deal, before venturing out. Or even changing people more through deeper, one-on-one encounters.

posted August 04, 2015 07:06 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes ~ Virgo, or Virgo-Pisces axis.

My thinking is, the center of the mystic rectangle must have significance...perhaps it shows where you "open the envelope."

For me, with a Leo-Aqua midpoint axis running through the center, I feel that I need to put myself out there (Leo) in an odd way (Aqua) to summon and apply the potential of the rectangle. Also Leo-Aqua turns the Rectangle into a Grand Sextile.

My whole rectangle is masculine, so it's an extroverted affair. I've joked before that I feel like I single-handedly have to lift everybody's spirits in any room I enter. Well it's not a joke, I FEEL that way, but succeeding is another issue.

Yours is feminine so there will be more emphasis on introspection, absorbing things from your environment and honing your own sensitivities a great deal, before venturing out. Or even changing people more through deeper, one-on-one encounters.

That's my guess.

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Yeah I agree with the absorbing the environment part. I just think its funny that part of me can be due to this pattern. Never thought of it. I was completely oblivious to it. The 14th Dalai lama also has this pattern.

posted August 05, 2015 03:46 PM            

You also have a Leo sun, Libra moon right? So there's another sextile maybe? I wonder if that midpoint, landing in Virgo, coincides with the rectangle's center?

That would be freaky. Especially because I have the same thing, with my sun-moon midpoint in Aquarius, opposing the Rectangle's center by 4 degrees. Wide enough to shrug it off as an "optional" puzzle to solve, but it still makes me wonder.

Re: soul evolution

No idea. But I feel like this gives me some kind of backbone (the box is a rigid structure, after all) that enables me to take risks that others wouldn't take.

posted August 05, 2015 04:39 PM              

Jupiter (Cancer) in 8th house SEXTILE Venus (Taurus) in 6th house.
Venus (Taurus) in 6th house TRINE Neptune (Capricorn) in 2nd house.
Neptune (Capricorn) in 2nd house SEXTILE Pluto (Scorpio) in 12th house.
Pluto (Scorpio) in 12th house TRINE Jupiter (Cancer) in 8th house.

I don't have any oppositions :-/ ???

EDIT: Actually, I lied:

I have Pluto (Scorpio) in 12th house OPPOSITE Venus (Taurus) in 6th house and also,
Neptune (Capricorn) in 2nd house OPPOSITE Jupiter (Cancer) in 8th house.

posted August 05, 2015 05:05 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
I don't know if it's rare, never saw statistics on it, but I haven't found it in many charts.

You also have a Leo sun, Libra moon right? So there's another sextile maybe? I wonder if that midpoint, landing in Virgo, coincides with the rectangle's center?

That would be freaky. Especially because I have the same thing, with my sun-moon midpoint in Aquarius, opposing the Rectangle's center by 4 degrees. Wide enough to shrug it off as an "optional" puzzle to solve, but it still makes me wonder.

Re: soul evolution

No idea. But I feel like this gives me some kind of backbone (the box is a rigid structure, after all) that enables me to take risks that others wouldn't take.

Positively and negatively I have this self-reliance. Maybe I earned strength in former incarnations or maybe just pigheaded stubbornness...I ought to read more Buddhist texts for clues about true advancement.

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Thats true, maybe it is in Virgo. :-)

And I don't know lol but i do think this is something we have manifested from previous lives and/or realities. Maybe we were healers or philosophers.

posted August 05, 2015 05:29 PM            

Personally, I call the MR the Flying Carpet; it's a configuration of potential excellence in the area described by the 4 planets, the configuration as a whole.

Very nice interpretation for yours, Faith

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posted August 05, 2015 05:36 PM              

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Well, I've got a Mystic Rectangle from hell posted over at IA in a recent thread if you're interested in an extreme example:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/003174.html

This one involves the Sun, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and Chiron and the story is not a pleasant one…

Seriously, there's nothing all too mystic about the person in that particular case, maybe because the oppositions in the rectangle are soooo harsh…. a Stellium of Sun conj. Chiron,Venus and Saturn opposing Mars conj. Pluto and Uranus.

I doubt this is a typical example of a mystic rectangle person, but you asked for personal experiences and it's a rather unusual case. If anyone wants to comment on that chart over at IA, you're welcome to do so!

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I don't think its called mystic rectangle because it makes the person mystic. I think its called the mystic rectangle because whoever has it may feel like they are being pulled in different directions and has a hard time understanding why. Its the mystery of hard and soft aspects associated with it that gives us a hard time until we find resolution. Like Faith said, the midpoint of the rectangle may be the missing piece we need to solve the issue.

My rectangle is dealt with the water (4 and 12) and earth (6 and 10) houses so you already know I'm having a hard time. I have a stellium in the 12th and 6th.

I read most of your post. Sounds like whoever that guy is has issues he needs to deal with

posted August 05, 2015 05:41 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
My most important one is part of a more complex config (a Water/Earth 6-pointed star, or the star of david) and it's made of my angles: ASC Cap 19, MC Sc 17. The interconnected one includes Sun/Venus/Jupiter/Saturn. Well, as a matter of fact they are both equally important, I don't know why I said the angles one is more important.

Personally, I call the MR the Flying Carpet; it's a configuration of potential excellence in the area described by the 4 planets, the configuration as a whole.

Very nice interpretation for yours, Faith

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posted August 05, 2015 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
You don't think its difficult to know what the outcome is going to be or what our potential is when dealing with 4 planets? Mine is in Venus, Pluto, Neptune/Uranus, and Mars. What I'm trying to understand is "where" exactly am i going to direct that energy towards. A Yod is pretty straightforward being that it points directly at the planet, but this pattern doesn't really have an apex

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You don't need an apex to fly

There are however two structures expanding a MR: one is the Castle, which gives you an apex, where you can direct the energy of the MR (some call it Envelope, I call it castle or house); the other is the 6-pointed star, a benevolent, zen, guru lol structure

Can you show me yours? I find it difficult to interpret lists. I can try to give you some clues in regards to what this flying is about, in your case.

Also, I have to say closed structures don't involve going in all directions, on the contrary; they are about INTEGRATION, integrated energies in the middle or the apex. The integrated energy works vertically.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 05, 2015 08:17 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You don't need an apex to fly

There are however two structures expanding a MR: one is the Castle, which gives you an apex, where you can direct the energy of the MR (some call it Envelope, I call it castle or house); the other is the 6-pointed star, a benevolent, zen, guru lol structure

Can you show me yours? I find it difficult to interpret lists. I can try to give you some clues in regards to what this flying is about, in your case.

Also, I have to say closed structures don't involve going in all directions, on the contrary; they are about INTEGRATION, integrated energies in the middle or the apex. The integrated energy works vertically.

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