posted March 23, 2020 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

When you tap into your anger it leads to insight and higher awareness? opens doors to your spiritual side?

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posted March 23, 2020 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
Nah, I don't think so. My anger slumbers for years then erupts like a volcano for a few seconds, then it's gone again. I've never reached any insights or had any spiritual experiences as a result, I've simply not had the time, lol!

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Well what house does your mars fall in ? What does your Mars rule and what sign is your mars in? Same questions for chiron...

Perhaps this will give you clues to how your vigintile manifests but chiron and mars would be working together if they are vigintile and chiron is the wounded healer....

But if you dont let yourself feel anger then it seems to me like you are also not allowing yourself to heal, I am thinking that in your case owning your mars and allowing yourself to feel those darker emotions is how you are able to heal and this will lead to valuable insight and spiritual growth.

posted March 23, 2020 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well what house does your mars fall in ? What does your Mars rule and what sign is your mars in? Same questions for chiron...

Perhaps this will give you clues to how your vigintile manifests but chiron and mars would be working together if they are vigintile and chiron is the wounded healer....

But if you dont let yourself feel anger then it seems to me like you are also not allowing yourself to heal, I am thinking that in your case owning your mars and allowing yourself to feel those darker emotions is how you are able to heal and this will lead to valuable insight and spiritual growth.

I could be wrong but is worth exploring this...

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My Mars is tightly conjunct Midheaven and Mercury, In Cancer. Rules 7th house. Chiron is in Gemini 9th house.

I communicate my anger much more than I feel it. It's like I give voice to what might make me angry before it turns to anger. My Sun is also in Gemini, and Moon in Virgo, so I'm rather Mercury dominant. They say that Cancer Mars tends to swallow their anger, but I don't think I do... Putting my anger into words, even if it's often only in my own head, disperses my frustration and helps me handle whatever situation caused me to feel frustrated in the first place. Sometimes it's as simple as openly pointing out what about a situation feels wrong or unfair to me. Other times it'll be a deep introspective conversation with myself, analyzing why something makes me feel hurt or frustrated, and what I can do about it. Or it might be me internally writing a letter to a person who has hurt me... not that I'll ever actually write and send it, but it'll help me face what hurts and let it go. The only time I do get angry is when simply voicing my thoughts and feelings doesn't help. When thinking my way through the problem doesn't solve anything..

posted March 23, 2020 07:38 PM            

COOL! Lovely, I feel you deciphered this mystery

The vigintile to chiron helps you release your anger in a positive way by using your words and been assertive, is your gift and it allows your mars in cancer conjunct mercury to act in a very evolved way and not like is in detriment as mars in cancer has a tendency to be more passive aggressive and then explode, you are right they tend to hold it in and then BAM, fireworks .

posted March 24, 2020 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
WOW I was about to say with Mars in cancer your anger and emotions should be quite powerful actually but maybe this speaks to the power of Mars in Cancer vigintile Chiron in Gemini as you nicely put it "I communicate my anger much more than I feel it. It's like I give voice to what might make me angry before it turns to anger." Maybe this is the mars vigintile chiron for you at work and yes I agree that you been mercury dominant is also playing a role but with mars conjunct mercury on the MC you could be super hurtful and violent with words potentially and also extremely nourishing with them and mindful with what you say, I mean it can go either way I feel, it can be like a weapon with words were you feel strongly your emotions and then hurt with words but you are describing a totally different pattern of dealing with anger which I feel is bc your mars vigintiles your chiron giving you the wisdom and ability to use your words calmly and let out your frustration in the moment addressing it sooner than later instead of letting it build up.

COOL! Lovely, I feel you deciphered this mystery

The vigintile to chiron helps you release your anger in a positive way by using your words and been assertive, is your gift and it allows your mars in cancer conjunct mercury to act in a very evolved way and not like is in detriment as mars in cancer has a tendency to be more passive aggressive and then explode, you are right they tend to hold it in and then BAM, fireworks .

Thank you for sharing your insight with me! Means a lot. Super interesting actually.

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Thank you! Your question definitely helped me think this through!

I've also seen the 20th harmonic described, probably by Graham, as effort to create order out of chaos. So... Gemini Chiron and Cancer Mars working together to create order out of chaos... Both Chiron and Mars can have an element of chaos to them. Aggression is inherently chaotic, and Chiron is the maverick. But Mars is also practically oriented, and Chiron is the healer, so creating order can also come naturally. The nature of the aspect fits better with the energies involved than I first thought. The addition of Gemini/Mercury makes sense of the 'how' of this aspect... Chiron and Mars (hurt and anger, healing and assertion) making an effort to create order out of chaos through the power of communication... Yeah, it definitely starts to make sense.

posted March 24, 2020 10:13 PM            

I also noticed I tend to have astral travel experiences with people I have asteroid pairs with that are vigintile/septile and were endymion and selene are strongly featured.

I met with Boston Rob in the dream world, it was a very nice dream. We made out lol. I was not into him in real life, I have never had a crush on him but after this dream I feel something for him like I feel I care about him, we definitely connected on a soul level, it felt like we accidentally ended up going on a date and really connected. I decided to take the initiative to give him my number in the dream and told him something along the lines of "no rush but at some point we should hang out again," he acknowledge he had a beautiful time with me and that it was special in a surprising way.

Later on many hours after the dream in the middle of a busy day I thought of him again like this feeling he also remembers the dream and was thinking of me.

I don't think he is my other half, I don't really believe in twin souls to be honest but a soulmate yes, sure, why not.

Regardless it was a lovely dream and I am glad we met in the dream world, it was fun plain and simple.

Naturally as an astrologer I have to look at his chart and our composite and our davison to see why I felt a connection with him and what could have triggered this astral travel experience...

So here it goes ladies and gentleman....

His Psyche SEPTILES my EROS EXACT
His Eros sextiles my Psyche (by 1d)
Tr Pluto/Mars/Jupiter are on his Eros

His Isis conjuncts my Osiris EXACT
His Osiris tri-vigintiles my Isis (under 1d, 53.2/54)
His Osiris conjuncts my Moon (My moon septiles my Isis, my Isis septiles my Osiris)
Tr Southnode/Tr Pholus/Tr Osiris are conjunct his SUN

Natal Mars in Gemini in the 12H conjuncts my Northnode Exact
Natal Mars in Gemini is part of two yods in his natal chart

He has Selene conjunct Endymion exact on Regulus on his natal (he must astral travel a lot)
My Endymion SEPTILES his SELENE conjunct ENDYMION (yep this was indeed an astral travel experience)
My Endymion conjuncts his AC
My Selene conjuncts his Northnode

His DC ruler Saturn conjuncts my EROS exact

His Psyche is in Gemini and all my soulmates seem to have Psyche in gemini, I have DC in gemini. Is a very prevalent repetitive pattern in my life so worth mentioning.

I have chiron inconjunct saturn and his sun on my cupido completes a YOD. He has Sun inconjunct Saturn and my Chiron completes a Yod for him and it turns into two yods and the two yods are connected.

His Jupiter conjuncts my Serendip (e.g. happy accident) and Tr Endymion was on this. Tr Sun and Tr Serendip were right on my IC and square his SUN.

Now Davison:

Chart Ruler MERCURY conjunct VENUS square the Nodes (skipped step) and inconjuncts the moon, tr saturn in aquarius will eventually trigger a yod to this from the 5th and go on to activate our eros conjunct psyche in davison on the 5H (our mercury conjunct venus falls on my chart ruler Jupiter conjunct Uranus)

Valentine trine and sextile the nodes (point of thales)

Jupiter conjunct Northnode

AC conjunct Saturn (fall on my SUN)

Neptune falls on my Southnode

Mars falls on my Venus conjunct Mars

Eros conjunct Psyche 7 degrees wide but given our synastry eros/psyche contacts worth mentioning

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I am not attached to any outcome about this actually, I don't have any attachment to this in any way but quite frankly it felt like a psychic dream when I told him "No rush, but we should hang out again." The no rush was very strong, like I really meant it, and it was like take as long as you need to type of thing. I feel that was like a soul contract we made in that dream, I don't know if we will meet in this life or in the next but this is the sense I got from this astral travel experience.

Eros septile Psyche
Eros sextile Psyche
Isis conjunct Osiris
Isis tri-vigintile Osiris (very close to been a septile actually 53.2)
Endymion septile Selene

posted April 01, 2020 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I had a dream last night, it was an astral travel experience. I am starting to have those again I think bc Tr Neptune is conjunct my moon and Tr Neptune is tri-vigintile pluto right now. Vigintiles open doors to higher worlds.

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Hypatia, have you read Jane Robert's channeled material?
Lots about dreams there. You might find it interesting.
I am especially thinking of 'The Unknown Reality' in two volumes.