posted October 12, 2015 04:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
^^^Actually, Law/corporate/finances are good fields with Saturn transits. So let me revise my predictions.

Keep steadily applying for jobs in your chosen field. I anticipate you finding a good job around January 2016.

Keep in mind that Saturnian things are never easy, no matter what they look like on the outside. You may start a little it lower than you want, but you can work your way up. This job will test you in ways you are not accustomed, and you have to make sure that your health does not suffer.

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Thank you very much, Belage.

I hope I will be finding a job or an internship in my field rather soon. The only alternative option I have is to be a customer service representative and I got rejected every single time I applied.

I wonder why I chose law to begin with. This degree has so far gotten me nowhere. I'm on the verge of thinking I made the wrong choice.

posted October 12, 2015 04:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Sven555:
I think you are missing some pointers.

Yes, Saturn will be there till January 2019, but what about Mars and Jupiter?

All the other planets don't stop for Saturn!

Honestly, keep trying, keep plugging away at getting jobs, within months you'll see some progress. Remember it's a test.

If i'm right, Mars will move into your 4th house very soon and Jupiter through 4th and 5th. These are points which could change your current view of life. Mars will especially give you a refuelling, because he is in your deepest house.

Jupiter in 5th is like harvesting the crops, planted when Jupiter was in your 10th. Seeing as you say you are over-qualifed, maybe that will be in your favour then.

Please don't give up MineAgain.

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Thank you, Sven!

I hope to find a position of some sort in my chosen field, law. Otherwise, I'll keep applying to customer representative jobs. All of my peers are working in top law firms and I can't even get an internship. I wonder what it is I'm doing wrong.

posted October 12, 2015 04:04 PM            

I have not read all the posts, but I think I left when all the discussion about how a transit can determine or no and your free choice.

I have not looked at the transits, but if we were to pick saturn as the bad guy, I guess we need to get into the function and symbol of each planet.

Saturn creates structures, solidify things, create bones, and of course it is not interesting into expansion and dreams. if transiting saturn is making your job life difficult listen to saturn. saturn is saying that whatever you have built so far is not working, needs revision. saturns makes things difficult as a test for strenghtening what is right (bones) and putting walls to whatever is not working. neptune-chiron midheaven is pointing to something that you have mentioned. you are intested in art and you have become a lawyer. HELLO!!! how saturn is making your life difficult? if law were your career, saturn would be paying off all the hard work and grades in the high level college you attended. instead, it is forcing you to think what the f...k are you doing with a law degree. neptune is making things confusing, but it is also indicating a less structured career, a more artistic and soulfull career? look any aspect of neptune, which ruler it is.

posted October 13, 2015 04:58 AM            

The problem that I have been facing is what was supposed to be a security blanket is failing completely as I can't even get an internship! I struggled a lot last year when I was looking for a placement. It took me about 4 months to find an internship. My former classmates has no problem finding multiple placements.

Back when I was applying to fashion internships in 2013, I was offered several ones in major fashion houses. I would be getting 3-4 calls a day for interviews in Paris and London. I ended up choosing the wrong internship, had an awful experience which shifted my perspective on working in any arts related industry. I reverted back to seeking legal internships which has proven to be a failure. I mean, I've been looking since August 2014 and I only got one interview and one offer in my chosen field! Something is obviously wrong. I have good credentials, good grades, internships, volunteering experience, college societies positions, speak several languages ... nothing, still nothing. My peers got training contracts with less than that.

Either it's not meant to be or it's not the right time.

These days, I've been obsessed with setting up my own business which would be arts related but I still need to find something in my chosen field as a plan B. I need income.

posted October 13, 2015 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
The truth is I have always been interested in the arts (fashion, acting, music) and I've always had this feeling that I would end up working independently in this field, however, I can't live in this imaginary of "maybe one day". Hence, I went to college and chose law instead. It was my security blanket.

The problem that I have been facing is what was supposed to be a security blanket is failing completely as I can't even get an internship! I struggled a lot last year when I was looking for a placement. It took me about 4 months to find an internship. My former classmates has no problem finding multiple placements.

Back when I was applying to fashion internships in 2013, I was offered several ones in major fashion houses. I would be getting 3-4 calls a day for interviews in Paris and London. I ended up choosing the wrong internship, had an awful experience which shifted my perspective on working in any arts related industry. I reverted back to seeking legal internships which has proven to be a failure. I mean, I've been looking since August 2014 and I only got one interview and one offer in my chosen field! Something is obviously wrong. I have good credentials, good grades, internships, volunteering experience, college societies positions, speak several languages ... nothing, still nothing. My peers got training contracts with less than that.

Either it's not meant to be or it's not the right time.

These days, I've been obsessed with setting up my own business which would be arts related but I still need to find something in my chosen field as a plan B. I need income.

I really envy those people whose career track has been easy and obvious from the get go.

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I understand you as I have been in same situation. trying the security blanket has been the worst decision for me. even if i have had jobs, they have been awful, and I have lost my job two times in an industry full of jobs and me not being the worst performer. however, i am trying to make the transition now as i understood after 5 years in the wrong career that no matter how long i stay and hard i try, i cannot be as good as i could be in something i was born to do.

if i were you, i would try to re-start internships in the fashion industry and not give up so easyly. if what you need is income, being a waitres can solve the emergency, rather than going into a career that has nothing to do with you. no matter the degree and progression you have made in the wrong direction.

posted October 14, 2015 05:00 PM            

Your post reminded me of when I was interning in corporate finance and during the 6 months in the company, I was often frustrated with the lack of creativity. I felt stuck in a tiny box. I would sometimes watch fashion shows or designer interviews online in between assignments because corporate finance is so restrictive, I got bored. I really enjoyed corporate finance/law, it's something I'm naturally good at but since I've always struggled to get work experience in any legal field, I'm not so sure this is the right path for me.

As I was writing the first paragraph of my post, I came across an article which said that 50% of the French population feels as though they've missed out on their true path because their preferred to choose the security blanket instead of following their dreams. Then, there were a few examples of people who dreamed of being XYZ and ended up working in a different industry because they felt as though that's what they were supposed to do. They stated that they choose the "wrong path" because they had to not because they wanted to.

Maybe the fact that I have been struggling to find experience in my "security blanket" or any related field is a sign I should pursue something else.

posted October 14, 2015 05:11 PM            

So yeah, Saturn in the 2nd. In this instance your SOLAR 2nd house.

posted October 14, 2015 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Can you combine the two, corporate finance/law and fashion and the arts? Surely, artists need lawyers and corporate minded people to help them. Usually creative minds are terrible at law and finances, and you happen to have an interest and abilities in both fields. That gives you an amazing advantage. You could actually do very well if you combine them. You may not have to choose, it doesn't have to be an either or type of situation. Just find a way to embrace both.

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You're right, maybe I don't have to choose. I just have to find a way to combine both these interests without sacrificing one of them.

Yeah, I tried looking at fashion law internships and they're rather rare in Europe. Legal internships in major fashion houses are rare too and usually require an internal contact. I thought about fashion buying instead since it combines business and creativity.

Alternatively, I've been thinking about maybe starting my own (online) business after some heavy reasearch. Actually, I have been thinking about this since my last placement finished in June. This idea crossed my mind before I even started looking for a new job. I started the research then dropped it because I thought it was too frivolious. Maybe I could take up a job for income while making this idea my primary focus ...

This is a confusing time for me, so I'm trying to find my way. It's hard.

posted October 14, 2015 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
OMG, I was going to say Saturn in the 2nd, then I saw you were a Scorpio.

So yeah, Saturn in the 2nd. In this instance your SOLAR 2nd house.

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posted October 15, 2015 04:12 AM            

Saturn entered his 6th house October 23, 2013. This date coincides with the day he had an altercation with someone related to his manager later causing him to get fired. He got fired in November 2013.

He then remained jobless for about a year and a half. He found a new job in March 2015 which only lasted a month. He was jobless for another 2 months. He now has been employed since June 2015.

He before getting fired in 2013, he was used to working in major establishments. When Saturn transited his 6th house, he ended up having to start from stratch at smaller establishments in smaller cities. The establishment he's currently employed in is a rather new one, most definitely not a fine one like those he was used to.

His Saturn in the 6th house ends in 2017.

Hence, Saturn in the 6th house doesn't mean you have to work "menial" jobs that aren't related to your qualifications. He managed to find jobs in his chosen field, except he had to lower his expectations and start from scratch with smaller establishments in smaller cities.

posted October 16, 2015 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
How about Saturn in 8th?

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posted October 17, 2015 04:36 AM            

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
You're right, maybe I don't have to choose. I just have to find a way to combine both these interests without sacrificing one of them.

Yeah, I tried looking at fashion law internships and they're rather rare in Europe. Legal internships in major fashion houses are rare too and usually require an internal contact. I thought about fashion buying instead since it combines business and creativity.

Alternatively, I've been thinking about maybe starting my own (online) business after some heavy reasearch. Actually, I have been thinking about this since my last placement finished in June. This idea crossed my mind before I even started looking for a new job. I started the research then dropped it because I thought it was too frivolious. Maybe I could take up a job for income while making this idea my primary focus ...

This is a confusing time for me, so I'm trying to find my way. It's hard.

Thank you very much for your kind help, Belage. It means a lot, really.

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Dear Mine,

I see the point of Belage, but then again, this is settling for something that is not your dream. "combining" is not the same as living a true passion. I my dream is to play violin, is not working in the law of violiners or defending the rights of violin players that would make my heart pump. it is playing the violin. i have seen that trap as well.

if you like both finance law and fashion, then having two (in parallel) or one first for some years until you gain enough money and get tired of it (and then the other). nowadays is not so impossible to have careers in parallel. maybe there is something you need to learn about being in the finance industry, but dont give up any other fashion.

maybe you can work fulltime for 2-3 years in finance law and from them with more experience, you could cut to part time and start your fashion business. or you can just estar doing something in fashion as hobby to fullfill the need and start meeting people in the field until one day it happens...

but dont follow the COMBINE thing, unless the COMBINATION reflects your true interes. i have seen that a lot, and it is not much different that people who give up their dreams. it is just the sugar coated version.

I asume you are young (in your late 20s), so with life expectancy of 89 in europe.. you a life to start and try different careers. you dont have to follow any "old fashion" pattern of how career evolve. nowadays, you can start a career in your 50s if you make the right moves.

all the best and thanks saturn for its teaching. i am becoming a friend of him..

posted October 17, 2015 04:47 AM            

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Saturn in the 8th ****** my finances. But it was conjunct my venus. Anyway, I used to work at a big ass museum and then my contract was over and I worked at this tiny art gallery. I got a Job but it was smaller than what i was used to, the place and the money.

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Pluto is gonna conjunct my Venus starting Nov. But I'm having Jupiter return too. I'm just not sure any more

posted October 17, 2015 05:28 AM            

In the past, I looked into fashion law degrees but then I realized that in case I can't break into the legal branch of fashion, I won't be able to transition into another branch of law. It's too risky.

Fashion houses whether small or big don't often offer legal internships. I was on the hunt for such placements last year and there were a couple of offers which required you to have finished law school.

I think I can learn a lot from the financial, capital markets and corporate law industry. Working on them both at the same time is the most adequate combination I believe. I can't build my own business if I don't have sound knowledge of the market and the internal financial logistics. Hence, that's why I am still pursuing law and corporate finance, to learn so I can apply it to my own business in the future.

I believe that start-ups and small companies usually crash during their first year because of the lack of research prior to implementation. It's one thing to have a good concept, it's another to make it successful. That's why I would like to gain further on hand experience before branching into my own business. This is probably the wisest course of action.

posted October 17, 2015 05:43 AM            

I couldn't agree more about start-ups failing because of lack of understanding of the market or the a basic finance plan. so your skills are useful for any business and can prevent you to make the mistakes of others.

maybe some training into fashion industry-some afilitions into the industry associations and participation into industry events for small starts up can open the door to ideas, but also to network that can be useful in the future. I agree with you about not rushing into your own business until you are ready. and I can see how you need a money stream along the way. the only thing I would invite you to consider is the time you may need for that job. is having a job a finance so time consuming that does not let you time for anything else? can you sacrifice income or prestige for a while for the long term benefit of having your own business? i believe that this is the period for these evaluations. saturn ask us to think what is working and what is not. what deserves hard work and what does not and what is realistic and what is not.

I will try to look at your natal today and give my comments.

posted October 17, 2015 05:58 AM            

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let me understand. is it law what you would like to do in Fashion? or your interest in fashion is in design? or something else associated to fashion?

I couldn't agree more about start-ups failing because of lack of understanding of the market or the a basic finance plan. so your skills are useful for any business and can prevent you to make the mistakes of others.

maybe some training into fashion industry-some afilitions into the industry associations and participation into industry events for small starts up can open the door to ideas, but also to network that can be useful in the future. I agree with you about not rushing into your own business until you are ready. and I can see how you need a money stream along the way. the only thing I would invite you to consider is the time you may need for that job. is having a job a finance so time consuming that does not let you time for anything else? can you sacrifice income or prestige for a while for the long term benefit of having your own business? i believe that this is the period for these evaluations. saturn ask us to think what is working and what is not. what deserves hard work and what does not and what is realistic and what is not.

I will try to look at your natal today and give my comments.

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Thank you Nordic!

Well, I interned as a showroom assistant at two fashion houses mainly because I was interested in design, styling and products. However, I specifically recall that when I was working there, I was extremely frustrated because of the lack of "intellectually challenging" assignments. It was all about creativity and menial tasks but nothing that required me to put my business acumen or interest in law into practice.

Same issue arose when I was an intern in corporate finance. There was no creative aspect to the assignments.

I'm interested in both aspects. I enjoy styling, designing. These are my favorite aspects of fashion but it would be rather boring if it didn't involve any intellectually challenging prospects.

I'm fully aware of the fact that working in law or corporate finance can be very time consuming and weekends can't even compensate for the lack of time, but I am willing to slower the pace of my business research to focus on gaining work experience.

People may think I am ambivalent or rather indecisive, but it is all about making the right choice which will propel me into a long-term success.

There is a risk with every single decision you make. What if I pursue fashion only and miss out on having proper work experience only to realize that the fashion track doesn't lead anywhere?

I can't possibly rely on one industry or the other because at this stage of my life, it would be too risky. I want to have "regular" experience to show employers in case my fashion endeavour proves to be a dead-end. Besides, I will be getting expertise towards my own business so nothing is lost.

The problem comes from the fact that I cannot seem to get any interview in the finance or legal fields which makes me question my choice.

I'm sure that by the time Saturn leaves my 6th house in 2019, I will have everything figured out but my prospects are rather confusing.

Thank you for your help, Nordic. I really appreciate it!

posted October 17, 2015 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by MineAgain:

I can't take this anymore. I feel so useless and unworthy, it's frustrating.

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So THAT is where you start. Consider that this is a period in your life in which you are challenged to develop real self worth and assert it -- whether or not you currently have work -- and that this change of self-worth and change of self-image can be the growth that will get you out of your slump.

We all have slumps. Its nothing personal.

Besides, your worth comes from the fact that you ARE, not what you can do.

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
... I just checked. This Saturn transit ends in January 2019.

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Not so. Your chart's Asc is inaccurate, which means house lines are also inaccurate.

You are actually experiencing the difficult, negative thinking, and frustration of Saturn in transit parallel natal Mercury. Consider that such patterns taking hold are your worst enemy, perfectly capable of creating a self-fulfilling, self-perpetuating expectation. This transit can be used for serious thought for problem solving.

In our 20s we are still in a learning period about how the modern world works. Consider that some earnest application of your mind to the problem can produce results.

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Transit Uranus is right on your MC...

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If it were she'd have no trouble finding work. Uranus allows one to stand out, to appear distinct in a crowd or a long list of applicants. It can disrupt employment, but can equally assist in regaining it in a more exciting position. Uranus is nowhere near her MC.

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
... I'm not into marriage at all. The thought of it gives me hives, really. I find the institution archaic and rather unappealing. I don't like children, I find them annoying.

A lot of people I know want a family life, but I want to travel, explore new cultures, work on my creative endeavors and give back to society.

As for my mother's situation, I'm thinking of cutting her off. There has to be a point where one has to move on. This the time to close that door.

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Perfect proof you are not a genuine Cancer rising personality, but are in fact Gemini rising. The chart needs adjusting for it to read correctly.

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
The truth is I have always been interested in the arts (fashion, acting, music) and I've always had this feeling that I would end up working independently in this field, however, I can't live in this imaginary of "maybe one day". Hence, I went to college and chose law instead. It was my security blanket.

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The real dilemma: betting on material security instead of going with your passion.

Go with your passion!

It provides its own energy and it changes things!

Consider that giving up your genuine interests in order to play it safe may have injured your sense of self-worth, that it stamped into place in your consciousness and life patterns, 'I don't get to do what I love...' Imagine what that does...

So ... make a promise to yourself right now to:
(a) Follow your genuine interests and passions;
(b) Let go of what is no longer truly of use in your life.
Say these things out loud to yourself if you have to until you start to really FEEL it.

Then act on it.

Things will change. All astrological trends/transits/progressions are windows of opportunity, but you can't fit a square peg into a hole that wasn't made for it. If your transits block your old path, get on a new one!

Saturn in transit parallel natal Mercury, as I mentioned above, often means 'saying goodbye.' Consider what you want to say goodbye to.

Some good, energizing transits for you:

- Pluto conjunct natal Neptune; theme is 'spiritual rejuvenation' and 'powerful imagery' - there are no guarantees of warm-n-fuzzy stuff with this one, so guard the images that go through your mind and make sure they are constructive. If having difficulty try hypnosis or a new type of music that allows you to engage the imagination more effectively towards your future.

- Pluto sextile natal Sun; theme is 'empowerment through consciousness'.

- Pluto quinxunx natal Mars; theme is 'empowerment through shifting lines of action and routines'. If you don't make this shift this is one that can influence a person to self-harm out of desperation. Don't go there. Make the adjustments.

- Neptune sextile natal Uranus; theme is 'inspired awareness', 'spiritual awakening', and transcendence.

- Uranus will transit sextile natal Moon soon (2016-17).

- In December Uranus-Rx 16* Aries forms a 75* aspect to natal N.Node 1 Aqua. This will open a window of opportunity related to your future that you should expect and take advantage of. At that time ...

- Jupiter will square your natal Moon, and that alone is 'emotional fresh air', 'renewed confidence', and new opportunities for social connections that could prove very helpful. (At some point in this process as Jupiter also squares your genuine Asc in Gemini which can allow connections to people to form that aid in your forward momentum.)

So, you see, there are lots of good transits working for you right now, regardless of a couple negative ones. Transits and progressions work in aggregate, so that no one of them can dominate too long. If it feels like it is, then it is negative thinking that has set in place.

Good luck.

I want to hear your reports back, and I'm willing to bet that in 2-3 years your life is very different.

posted October 17, 2015 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
SOLAR 2nd? It's transiting my 6th house for sure, but what's the "solar house"? Is it different?

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2nd house from your Sun. Saturn in Sagittarius is in Scorpio's 2nd house.

posted October 18, 2015 05:53 AM            

First of all, thank you very much for your detailed analysis of the situation.

Before I reply to the rest of your post, I would like to point out that the ASC in my chart is correct. The chart was casted based on birth certificate details which are accurate. I got the chart done by a professional a few weeks ago and the houses weren't any different.

The fact that I am not family oriented isn't a good factor to consider whether or not I am a Gemini or a Cancer rising. I am rather sure I am a Cancer rising based on other traits of my personality. The lack of interest in marriage or the delayed interest in marriage is due to Saturn being positionned in my 7th house. I also have a Gemini Moon which absorbs a large part of my emotions.

I recently applied for a customer service representative position at a major fashion house through a recruitment agency. The recruitment agency told me I was over-qualified and talked me into applying for a Trading Assistant position in Bulgaria instead. I wanted to work as a customer representative to get my foot into the industry again and but I got redirected towards a finance related position. This is rather odd. I turned the Trading Assistant position down because of the location which will not allow me to make any connections or grow my social life.

I feel as though I am at a strange crossroads which is going to get me to start from scratch all over again despite my degrees and experiences. A part of me does not relate to any of those anymore.

The reason why I chose law is because my former high school was quite behind when it comes to career advice and I was too young to understand the consequences linked to my choice. I applied to a highly ranked program, got in, accepted the admission and studied it for 5 years.

5 years during which I repeated a semester despite my hard work. I only did well in corporate law & finance class without trying at all. In all the other classes which triggered my interest, I struggled to get good grades despite all the hours of work I dedicated. My friends had very active social lives and managed to pass. I dedicated my entire life to my courses and I ended up repeating a semester.

Things went south from that point on. After I repeated my semester, I gathered I was not made for law. Something my college tutor always told me. I then interned at fashion houses during that extra-semester. Again, I had a terrible experience, tons of bullying. I lost interest in the industry and reverted back to corporate law & finance as a shield.

When I was working there, my peers told me I should work in fashion instead (because we'd often hang out after work and they noticed my attires, I guess). They said I should pursue something in this industry because it's clear I love it.

Now, I'm not sure what to do. Part of me is indecisive and doesn't want to make a choice because I know deep down inside my true aspirations do not relate to the corporate law and finance industry although I am very interested in the field.