posted November 12, 2015 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Jordan Sparks is a Capricorn, and Ben Carson is a Virgo.

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Yes I am much familiar with Jordan being a cap, her song One Step at a Time is so very capricorn.

posted November 12, 2015 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
Orange, in the USA I believe that we will not be past that for a long time. Our culture is so deeply ingrained in white privilege ...

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I'm sorry. I just quit reading this thread at this point because my head exploded.

White privilege. Which I'm guilty of because I'm white. Guilty by birth because of my skin color. I can never be free of the sins of my fathers so to speak. Will I be at least partially forgiven if I spend a lifetime of self hatered and voting for Democrats?

I won't argue whether my life is "privileged" or not. Plenty of folks have it better but there's many that are doing worse too. And how many more when you consider world wide. My first thought of those is rarely the color of their skin.

posted November 12, 2015 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I'm sorry. I just quit reading this thread at this point because my head exploded.

White privilege. Which I'm guilty of because I'm white. Guilty by birth because of my skin color. I can never be free of the sins of my fathers so to speak. Will I be at least partially forgiven if I spend a lifetime of self hatered and voting for Democrats?

I won't argue whether my life is "privileged" or not. Plenty of folks have it better but there's many that are doing worse too. And how many more when you consider world wide. My first thought of those is rarely the color of their skin.

As long as we allow ourselves to be judged by the group, there will always be those who will profit by dividing us.

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Why is white privilege a bad thing? No one is supposed to feel quilt because of this just be aware of how other people don't benefit from their skin color. I'm not sure why you are acting like there is guilt and self hatred attached to white privilege? Why are you trying to compare others struggles? Everyone has their own battles in life and their own privileges/disadvantages.

posted November 12, 2015 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Thank you Orange You're an amazing astrologer with a great mind who's provided so much food for thought for all of us on LL

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ahh thank you for such lovely words, dear athenaia

posted November 12, 2015 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
Why is white privilege a bad thing? No one is supposed to feel quilt because of this just be aware of how other people don't benefit from their skin color. I'm not sure why you are acting like there is guilt and self hatred attached to white privilege? Why are you trying to compare others struggles? Everyone has their own battles in life and their own privileges/disadvantages.

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posted November 12, 2015 09:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Indeed, everyone does. I object to the notion that others are denied their privileges or are somehow forced to have more disadvantages simply because I was born white.

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posted November 12, 2015 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
MergoatSun, I appreciate what you're doing here. Thank you. Your humility and strength are commendable.

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No thank you! You're kind words mean a lot to me

posted November 12, 2015 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I don't think anyone here has actually stated or implied that in this thread.

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Then I apologise. I was under the impression that such was the very definition of white privilege. Somehow, I'm white, therefore I'm privileged. And it's unfair.

posted November 12, 2015 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:

Can I just say also that I found this incredibly offensive?{/b]

[b][I]Also were you referring to me that it's time to go forward?

I just want some clarification.

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No. I was speaking 'generically'..... And you didn't recognize the Obama ref...???? Forward.

I didn't live with the rich in GrossPoint. I was in Detroit itself, near the slummier parts, and within walking distance of that church, which is the reason I chose it........... I wasn't trying to BUST IN on anything "private."

~Anyways.....

I'm entering my OWN Mars Square Mars right now too.

I'm sorry you've been ill.

posted November 12, 2015 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
No. I was speaking 'generically'..... And you didn't recognize the Obama ref...???? Forward.

I didn't live with the rich in GrossPoint. I was in Detroit itself, near the slummier parts, and within walking distance of that church, which is the reason I chose it........... I wasn't trying to BUST IN on anything "private."

~Anyways.....

I'm entering my OWN Mars Square Mars right now too.

I'm sorry you've been ill.

Thank you for your kind comments, Orange, and Liliya.

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posted November 13, 2015 12:33 AM            

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Then I apologise. I was under the impression that such was the very definition of white privilege. Somehow, I'm white, therefore I'm privileged. And it's unfair.

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I'm not sure I understand you. What I meant was that it wasn't stated or implied that you are personally responsible, that no one claimed all white people are engaged in a conspiracy to oppress all nonwhites, carrying on a tradition of their fathers (what you'd posted before, which I presumed you were referring to in what I quoted in my first reply to you).

However, white privilege does indeed exist. It's not your fault, but it's there all the same. It's very easy for white people to miss, normally we only notice the most obnoxious and outrageous displays of it which are pretty rare (at least when it can become public knowledge), but not the much more subtle social forces at work every day which mean certain people have to work harder and are likely to see less rewards for their efforts, which are quite complicated and actually hurt all of us, not just nonwhites. And people (not just whites) also exploit it for their own purposes.

Before living in a minority neighborhood and having a black BFF, I missed A LOT of what they have to put up with. Most of it is quiet, but can become glaring in the right circumstances (which are unlikely for someone white). My eyes have been opened to it now, and ironically, I've said more about the unfairness of it because sadly, my BFF has simply come to accept that such is the way of the world and just learned to shrug her shoulders at it and adjust her goals accordingly. And my cardinal Libra and fiery Sag has done more to openly oppose the racism she endures (both overt and subtle) than her Pisces moon and Mars because she's my friend, and I don't like it when life is unfair to her, especially for so stupid a reason as the color of her skin. She does okay, but she'd have more money and better job with less effort than she puts out now if she were white (see the analogy on difficulty settings).

Though what actually annoyed me is when I was living in that minority neighborhood, I caught some young white girls tagging the garage. I ran out there (the girls running off back to their neighborhood) and saw they'd left a racial epithet (misspelled, of course) for my then partner. Sheesh, I was expecting to be the one to get harassed over my race (and accent) but she was still getting singled out more than I was. (There were a few who openly gave me a hard time over my being white, but even then I knew the cops and courts were on my side, and I could move to a better neighborhood easier, which I eventually did--but my BFF has not.)

posted November 13, 2015 01:28 AM            

Anyway, im having a problem with you continuously referring to white people as "privileged". Im white and poor as **** . Trying for jobs and getting turned down because Im not brown and speak Spanish and Im in Texas for gods sake. Just reminding you that there are under privileged WHITE people, too.

posted November 13, 2015 03:31 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
MergoatSun, I appreciate what you're doing here. Thank you. Your humility and strength are commendable.

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Yungang, I've really appreciated your words of wisdom in the past, so maybe if I hear you tell it I can understand what exactly is being done. The intention has been stated, but look at the fruit.

Why in a place where we can replace cultural, religious, and racial differences with the universal language of astrology is it more beneficial to use terms like non-white, and white privilege?

What does this add to my life and sense of value?

Help me cuz I'm annoyed. I've been addicted to this site for a year and always felt we could just be who we are in our charts..

...... And every color of the rainbow of disloyal Libra Moons could gang up on Ami together. Give me back the good ol' days.

posted November 13, 2015 03:46 AM              

Your thread is basically anti - Caucasian (of European origin) and anti Anglo-Saxon and Germanic, rather than about skin color. It's as if you're saying: "celebrate the sun signs who are not purely Caucasian!" Which makes it a racist anti-Caucasian thread. But none of us are of pure race, this is fascist bollocks, we are all mixed, we are all "non-whites".

This approach doesn't belong in astrology, IMO. You made me look at these people's skin color (wondering "why she said Tommy Lee Jones is not "white", for example) while I usually don't do it. Astrology is or should be free of this approach.

This is not how you fight against "white privilege" and discrimination, which exists, by building a "non-white" camp.

"White privilege" is in fact rich, dominant, or majoritary people privilege, it's not race or ethnicity related, it's economy/military/politics related. According to you, during Genghis Khan, there was a yellow privilege.

You also seem to confuse xenophobia with the "white privilege". In any majoritary population (and this happens everywhere on animal level) there is a degree of fear, mistrust, discrimination, scapegoating and even violence and sacrifice towards the minority or towards foreigners. We as humans are bound to rise above this animal instinct.

As astrologers, we don't care about people's skin color or ethnicity and certainly not about them having a drop of blood from another world region, ethnicity or race to "classify" their appartenance.

Racism met with racism only leads to more racism.

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posted November 13, 2015 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
Hey isnt Gavin Rossdale "white"? God, that man used to be so sexy.

Anyway, im having a problem with you continuously referring to white people as "privileged". Im white and poor as **** . Trying for jobs and getting turned down because Im not brown and speak Spanish and Im in Texas for gods sake. Just reminding you that there are under privileged WHITE people, too.

And if you want to bring up history, plenty of whites were discriminated against in the US during some point. The Irish, anyone?

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posted November 13, 2015 09:13 AM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
While the Irish were discriminated against, it was not to the extent that other races were.

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posted November 13, 2015 09:25 AM            

Make a thread interesting enough to keep my attention, and simple enough to keep my attention.

posted November 13, 2015 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Yes, we all struggle but there are certain things that you will never experience because you are white.

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