posted November 13, 2015 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm sure this statement was made in ignorance. I'm sure you have no idea what you've just said or you wouldn't have said it. You're celebrating this thread but you were just lead into a trap and made a serious, very serious mistake. I would withdraw that statement and do a more in depth study of history before commenting on it.

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No, it wasn't. I know what I said, and I stand by it.

posted November 13, 2015 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Ohhhh I've got stories (even from just last summer) to prove this wrong.
Just one tiny example. I spent a week in a nearly entirely black neighborhood and was told point blank by everyone that I was with to NOT EVER go walking alone, day or night. I must have gotten that warning daily, I swear. I was told that I could be robbed and assaulted because I'm white and therefore likely an easy target. So then I had to grab a buddy or two (who were black) to walk two blocks to the convenience store?
Ridiculous.

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posted November 13, 2015 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Refer to Pixie's post.

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posted November 13, 2015 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
So rather than neutralizing, we should just turn the tables right?
Because that's what's happening.

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posted November 13, 2015 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Is there a way to neutralize?

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posted November 13, 2015 10:38 AM            

For everyone else, I would also kindly like to ask everyone to stop the arguing. I understood when posting this that this would be a hot button issue, and I will always listen to your concerns and take suggestions if they are for me. However, I will not tolerate this purposeful mean behavior to other users. I would also like to respectfully ask that if you do not agree with this post to read all of the previous responses, and to please respect that your experience does not delegate everyone else's experience. With such a hot issue it is easy for people to lose tempers, but this needs to be handled with care and respect for our fellow human beings.

Also, as a note, some may truly not agree with that post and that is fine since everyone is entitled to their opinion and I welcome challenging ideas, however some really do like it. I would ask that people be respectful of this, some people really do struggle with prejudice based on their ethnic looks and enjoy seeing diverse posts like this. Please keep that in mind.

posted November 13, 2015 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by goddessinworld:
I don't understand the outrage at this post. This post is not actively excluding white people, it is pointing out the fact that people of color are not represented well and is trying to represent them.

There is nothing wrong with it, why does it make everyone so uncomfortable to see people of color being the topic of discussion based on the fact that they are very very much underrepresented or misrepresented.

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I am glad you see my purpose for this thread. When I first posted, it was a little rocky so I did appreciate the feedback because it did need some editing. However, now I feel like most people are just having a knee-jerk reaction to just the title of this and are not taking the time to look at all of the responses before posting.

posted November 13, 2015 11:03 AM            

PS This icon configuration was Randall's, so don't want to use it without proper credit to the source.

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posted November 13, 2015 11:07 AM              

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I am glad you see my purpose for this thread. When I first posted, it was a little rocky so I did appreciate the feedback because it did need some editing. However, now I feel like most people are just having a knee-jerk reaction to just the title of this and are not taking the time to look at all of the responses before posting.

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Thank you, Orange.
It's not just the title, it's also the list, which makes no sense when it comes to a "racial' discussion, and the whole approach.
You can't minimize your thread and its impact. Just like this thread today, there will be a thread tomorrow celebrating "pure" 100% whites. As an astrologer, I don't care if Jane Seymour is half Indian or not, I'm not gonna celebrate or non-celebrate that.
Over-identification with a race, ethnicity, religion is equally racist as discriminating them. It's a form of requesting privileges, a special treatment, because we are part of certain race or ethnicity.
The only way to eradicate racism is promoting indifference towards the concept of race, while at the same time promoting equal rights and enjoying diversity.
Astrology, the way you presented it here, has no place in this battle. It's a place of union, where it doesn't matter what your origins are.

EDIT: first of all, there are only 3 races in the world (and 4 if you want to include Native Americans, but no, since it is an extension of the Mongoloid race): Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid. Middle Eastern people (of Jewish, Arab, Iranian etc descent), Indians and "hispanics", all belong to the "white", Caucasian race. Not that it matters, but the list itself is a wrong categorization of "non-white".
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posted November 13, 2015 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:

Don't worry about it.

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posted November 13, 2015 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
HAHA I love that meme! Can I use it? This is my new favorite thing

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Absolutely. It's not mine. Just one that I have stashed away.
I really should leave this thread alone. Regardless of your post or how you word it, it's just a time bomb type of topic. There's nothing much that you can do about it no matter how nicely you try. That's why I say not to take it too personally. It's just a sensitive subject for a LOT of people.

posted November 13, 2015 12:39 PM              

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Originally posted by amisha121877:
Oh my gosh Mergoatsun!!!!! So happy to see this list and your ascendant list, as well! Hardly ever see many of these individuals, in regards to astrology. Awesome! Thanks so much! Appreciate ya! XO

"Imagine if the reverse were true."

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posted November 13, 2015 12:39 PM            

Sw Peas just started. I, literally, did not know how to get out of the fight, without leaving LL.

I was like a deer in the headlights.

One girl, Popcorn, came and helped me out.

I left the fight and moved on.

You don't realize you can simply walk away from fights.

I say this to anyone who is in that position, now or at any time.

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posted November 13, 2015 12:44 PM            

Dr. Sebi
Saggitarius Sun

Rosa Clemente
Aries Sun

Femi Kuti
Gemini Sun

Loretta Lynch
Gemini Sun

Sonia Sotomayor
Cancer Sun

Lisa Left Eye Lopes
Gemini Sun

Sean Levert
Libra Sun

Gerald Levert
Cancer Sun

Nas
Virgo Sun

Kelis
Leo Sun

Floyd Mayweather
Pisces Sun

Manny Pacquaio
Saggitarius Sun

posted November 13, 2015 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yeah, right, we hardly see astrologers discussing the charts of Mandela, Einstein or Gandhi, they're envious on their inherited, not-of-their making skin tans.
This is offensive towards the astrologers community everywhere I've never noticed something like this in astrology. It's really sad. Time to be someplace else.

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It really is. And it's not just influential people, it's celebrities, too. I can't find much on black celebrity couples, but I'm not short on Justin and Selena. Very sad.

posted November 13, 2015 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by goddessinworld:
I don't understand the outrage at this post. This post is not actively excluding white people, it is pointing out the fact that people of color are not represented well and is trying to represent them.

There is nothing wrong with it, why does it make everyone so uncomfortable to see people of color being the topic of discussion based on the fact that they are very very much underrepresented or misrepresented.

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Yes. If everyone could just take an honest, non judgmental look at the indignation they feel at having their race brought up, and consider what it feels like to be discriminated against on a daily basis because of the colour of their skin, you'd know how silly it sounds to be so very angry at somebody who's perceived a note of white-centrism and called our attention to it. It never happens and so it's uncomfortable, but it's a necessary discomfort to feel because addressing white privilege is the other side of the coin when it comes to addressing racism against people of colour.. Simply not discussing racism is not sensitivity, it's shame and censure.. We need to be able to discuss these matters openly and respectfully. Merely hearing the words 'white privilege' is understandably difficult for some but it's something to get used to. Nobody is trying to shame anybody else, just point out that an imbalance exists.

Mergoatsun has been nothing but respectful, understanding, and gracious in fielding these defensive remarks and that's commendable. If people are really interested in uniting against racism/for respect for all, then respectfully acknowledging somebody else's experience on the topic is a very important act. We may not agree with every point, but if we are seeking peace and respect for all, and we acknowledge that it doesn't yet existacross the board, perhaps we can sit with our discomfort at having our privilege addressed and let that work itself through and thus become better allies to those who experience the censure and discrimination of racism on a daily basis in a society which favours white people implicitly:

Although I have indigenous blood and a difficult socio-economic background on my mom's side, as well as generational post traumatic stress, I present white and in the place and time that I live this gives me an advantage over others who appear to be cree/indigenous. If we both go for a job interview, the first impression we make will be hugely coloured by the shade of our skin. I live in the city with the highest population of indigenous people in Canada, and racism here is explicit, people get seen as robbers, welfare bums, alcoholics, and judged for it very harshly... no matter who they are... if they're indigenous presenting.

White people don't get the same treatment. In acknowledging my privilege as a white person i can leverage the power i have in society for the good of those around me, to some extent. Do i experience mistrust and difficulty in some ceremonial and community contexts when I'm with indigenous people? Yes. Do i react angrily? No! Because it's a very rare experience for me it can be uncomfortable but imagine what it would be like if I were looked at like that everywhere I went! i Accept that some people are where they're at and hope we can ALL start to see one another as valuable and unique and precious and worthy of love and respect.

posted November 13, 2015 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
When I first came on in my first year, I was in the middle of a fight and I was DEVASTATED.

Sw Peas just started. I, literally, did not know how to get out of the fight, without leaving LL.

I was like a deer in the headlights.

One girl, Popcorn, came and helped me out.

I left the fight and moved on.

You don't realize you can simply walk away from fights.

I say this to anyone who is in that position, now or at any time.

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posted November 13, 2015 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by amisha121877:
Let me see if I can add some people - not comfortable putting the Asc signs since it was a matter of 'guessing' them. I'll come back with some more.

Dr. Sebi
Saggitarius Sun

Rosa Clemente
Aries Sun

Femi Kuti
Gemini Sun

Loretta Lynch
Gemini Sun

Sonia Sotomayor
Cancer Sun

Lisa Left Eye Lopes
Gemini Sun

Sean Levert
Libra Sun

Gerald Levert
Cancer Sun

Nas
Virgo Sun

Kelis
Leo Sun

Floyd Mayweather
Pisces Sun

Manny Pacquaio
Saggitarius Sun

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