posted November 13, 2015 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ami, thank you, the OP and its message is still there though, the thread is ongoing, it's about races, which is catastrophic in itself, here, and from someone who doesn't even know the human races.
And we're all supposed to shut up and peacefully watch the lists of white non-whites.

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posted November 13, 2015 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm sorry to say (for I like your posts and how you express yourself) but this thread is racist. It's not about white skin, for you included many white skin people on your list. For example, since when people of Spanish origin are not white? From an anthropological point of view, it's incorrect. And you also included many people of Jewish or Middle Eastern ancestry or people with mixed origins, clearly white skinned too. It's as if you're saying if someone has a drop of blood coming from Middle East or black or Asian or whatever, they're no longer "white". Sorry, but this is very old nasty fascist racism. It seems you are considering (I'm sure you must not be aware of it) "purity" of blood, purity of race, a discriminatory, fascist approach.

Your thread is basically anti - Caucasian (of European origin) and anti Anglo-Saxon and Germanic, rather than about skin color. It's as if you're saying: "celebrate the sun signs who are not purely Caucasian!" Which makes it a racist anti-Caucasian thread. But none of us are of pure race, this is fascist bollocks, we are all mixed, we are all "non-whites".

This approach doesn't belong in astrology, IMO. You made me look at these people's skin color (wondering "why she said Tommy Lee Jones is not "white", for example) while I usually don't do it. Astrology is or should be free of this approach.

This is not how you fight against "white privilege" and discrimination, which exists, by building a "non-white" camp.

"White privilege" is in fact rich, dominant, or majoritary people privilege, it's not race or ethnicity related, it's economy/military/politics related. According to you, during Genghis Khan, there was a yellow privilege.

You also seem to confuse xenophobia with the "white privilege". In any majoritary population (and this happens everywhere on animal level) there is a degree of fear, mistrust, discrimination, scapegoating and even violence and sacrifice towards the minority or towards foreigners. We as humans are bound to rise above this animal instinct.

As astrologers, we don't care about people's skin color or ethnicity and certainly not about them having a drop of blood from another world region, ethnicity or race to "classify" their appartenance.

Racism met with racism only leads to more racism.

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posted November 13, 2015 04:10 PM            

Am I not white? I'm half Italian.

Always thought that was white

posted November 13, 2015 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
"Unfortunately, I believe astrology is very white-centric" is an accusation against astrologers.

Accusations lead to defensiveness.

Simple.

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That is true. I hope everyone understands I'm not referring to LL or astrology as a whole. I should have made that clearer. However, from my personal experiences and from what I have heard from others, astrologers can be biased towards the a-typical white person and celebrities. That is not to say that all astrologers do this.

Hmm do you know of any natal aspects that would make someone bias? I'm thinking of many different things that could contribute to that, I'll post them after I confirm this.

posted November 13, 2015 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yeah that is kind of odd...Natalie Portman *is* white.

Am I not white? I'm half Italian.

Always thought that was white

Alexis Bledel isn't white, either? Nor Mila Kunis?

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Nope they are all white, but they are Jewish/Jewish Descent which I included in the list because Jewish people receive much oppression in life and with anti-semitism so deep rooted in history I think it's important.

I am also half-Italian! How cool! Sicilian actually, some think that's where I get my fire haha. For this time in history (at least in the USA) Italian is considered white on the census. There was a time in the USA where Sicilians and other Southern Italians had to put "black" on their census instead of white. Many northern Italians did not and that's why there's a polarization with the two. However, today being Italian descent in the USA is just another culture of white, of course there are exceptions because one can be black and from Italy.

posted November 13, 2015 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ami, thank you, the OP and its message is still there though, the thread is ongoing, it's about races, which is catastrophic in itself, here, and from someone who doesn't even know the human races.
And we're all supposed to shut up and peacefully watch the lists of white non-whites.

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Priceless.

posted November 13, 2015 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
ahh thank you for such lovely words, dear athenaia

I can be a bit of an asshat half of the time but I am grateful when ppl can see thru it.
We do have quite reversed pairs in our respective natals. Your asc/dsc in virgo- pisces, mine in pisces-virgo. Your Vertex- antivertex in pisces-virgo, my Vertex-antivertex in virgo- pisces ( 17'), your Venus in Aries, my Venus in Libra.
I am not sure about your Sun and Moon, thou. And your natal nodes...

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I've never thought you to be an asshat, just like all of us here you were just expressing your opinion

posted November 13, 2015 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Would someone kindly explain to me the concept of "White Privilege?" I'm just trying to understand the context because there sure are a heck of a lot of broke people of all races.

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Yeah no problem! So the idea of having a privilege is that in the institution of (whatever society you are in) society some people benefit from being in a certain group. Society grants privilege to people because of certain aspects of their identity. Aspects of a person’s identity can include race, class (i.e. wealth) , gender, sexual orientation, language, geographical location, ability, and religion, to name a few. Also the term “privilege” is generally used when one can acknowledge that not everyone experiences a fair way of being treated based on an identity. To try and understand privilege one must look at the entirety in context of systems and social patterns.

You can be disadvantaged in one area and be privileged in another. For example, I have white privilege, but I am at a disadvantage with my gender, ability, religion and class.

Society is affected by a number of different power systems: patriarchy, white supremacy, heterosexism, cissexism, and classism for examples. These systems all come together in a nasty system called the kyriarchy. When you have a privilege in one area you are likely better off in that area than a counterpart.

posted November 13, 2015 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
Nope they are all white, but they are Jewish/Jewish Descent which I included in the list because Jewish people receive much oppression in life and with anti-semitism so deep rooted in history I think it's important.

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They are white. You could have said that astrology is against minorities...but even then...you said you are "not referring to LL or astrology as a whole."

Basically, if you think certain astrologers are white-centric, you can post the evidence against them, and then we all see your point. Until then, it's strange that you say we astrologers are white-centric.

posted November 13, 2015 04:31 PM            

I just popped my head in to give my voice of support to every single thing LeeLoo said. As usual, she's speaking wise words.

posted November 13, 2015 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

They are white. You could have said that astrology is against minorities...but even then...you said you are "not referring to LL or astrology as a whole."

Basically, if you think certain astrologers are white-centric, you can post the evidence against them, and then we all see your point. Until then, it's strange that you say we astrologers are white-centric.

I see no evidence for that anywhere.

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I could post a few examples, and some astrologers I know who have been quite white-centric. All astrologers are not white-centric and based. Yet, like I have said before there are one's who are biased, at least in personal client readings (not the one's done through online or non-personal measures.) Also I chose not to post names because I knew that it would cause suffering and conflict for those people who need to grow and learn by themselves.

posted November 13, 2015 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Mer, I've got to ask. Are your Aqua placements at 25° squaring my Mars? Or maybe at 13° opp my Leo Moon? Shock me and say they're at 7° trining my Merc...

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posted November 13, 2015 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
This is solely meant for people to get joy from seeing someone from their similar background sharing their sign

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It would have eliminated a lot of the arguing here, if you stated it just like that at the beginning.

And if you refrained from implying that there's a problem of collective racism in the astrological community.

posted November 13, 2015 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I have Mercury in Aqua 4 degrees, so that's no good. I have Venus in Aqua 20 degrees, but still not much. My aqua IC is at 1 degree. Those are all my major aqua placements

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posted November 13, 2015 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I have Mercury in Aqua 4 degrees

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posted November 13, 2015 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It would have eliminated a lot of the arguing here, if you stated it just like that at the beginning.

And if you refrained from implying that there's a problem of collective racism in the astrological community.

Those are two different topics, lumped together confusingly.

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Yeah I have realized that. I actually edited the 1st post to try and better reflect that that's what this is meant for. I have been very ill the past few days (including when I posted this thread) and my mental stamina has not been at it's usual high level.

posted November 13, 2015 05:16 PM            

Bessie Smith
Aries Sun

Victoria Rowell
Taurus Sun

Shirley Hemphill
Cancer Sun

Flip Wilson
Saggitarius Sun

Bernie Mac
Libra Sun

Fred "Rerun" Berry
Pisces Sun

Yayan Ruhian
Libra Sun

Tony Jaa
Aquarius Sun

Lizzie Velasquez
Pisces Sun

Alex Haley
Leo Sun

Iyanla Vanzant
Virgo Sun

Gerald Slink Johnson
Aquarius Sun

Orlando Jones
Aries Sun

Michael K Williams
Scorpio/Sagittarius Sun (11/22)

Charlie Murphy
Cancer Sun

Dave Chapelle
Virgo Sun

Steve Harvey
Capricorn Sun

Cedric The Entertainer
Taurus Sun

Faith Evans
Gemini Sun

Nicole Beharie
Capricorn Sun

Lawrence Fishburn
Leo Sun

Octavia Spencer
Gemini Sun

Cuba Gooding Jr.
Capricorn Sun

Cuba Gooding Sr.
Taurus Sun

Aunjanue Ellis
Aquarius Sun

Hype Williams
Cancer Sun

F. Gary Gray
Cancer Sun

Rick James
Aquarius Sun

posted November 16, 2015 01:40 PM            

As a black american--specifically, Jamaican ethnicity--i don't see any biases towards whites or eurocentricism in western astrology. I find it to be quite neutral, thanks to efforts made by modern astrologers. If you're looking for biases systems, well Vedic is much harder to translate outside of the Indian sphere of influence.

I'm black and still carry common characteristics described in western astrology.

Strong bones and teeth? Love of long-term plans? Looks kinda old for the age? Check--Capricorn stellium in 1st.

Wild, noticible curly hair? Egotistical? Big heart? Loud? Leo sun... Check.

Horse thighs? Foot-in-mouth disease? Short? Knows too much? Sag moon... Check.

posted November 16, 2015 04:20 PM              

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted November 16, 2015 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
This thread feels like tumblr puked all over LindaLand.

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