posted November 14, 2015 06:25 AM            

It's not just the mundane/event astrology that I have in mind - everyone that had a issue during January/Pluto Rx is having a blow up in their lives, at the moment. Pluto went direct on Sept 25th and I was thinking the final (3rd) strike for mid degrees for the cardinals would coincide with the eclipse, but I should have known better, of course it's Scorpio.

posted November 14, 2015 06:49 AM            

you are pretty right about Germany. Though it is not the Sun nor the ASC.

It`s got Saturn in Capricorn.

Well looking at this, it just looks wrong. lol

ASC in Leo with conjunct Jupiter - no not really I don`t think so.

posted November 14, 2015 06:51 AM            

It has an ASc in Capricorn btw.

and Moon on 17 Aries opposing Neptune r in 9th house. OUch and yes, I guess it makes sense.

posted November 14, 2015 07:43 AM            

Another thing: The German news magazine Focus now has a report, citing secret service sources, that last week on Thursday, Bavarian highway police detained a man en route from Montenegro (with no prior criminal record), after noticing during a routine check that he'd hidden eight AK-47s plus a lot of TNT and grenades in his car. The man has been detained since, but refuses to answer any questions. The last destination that had been entered into his navigation system was Paris; it seems therefore now that he might very well have been part of the group of criminals who committed the attacks.

Sadly, the report suggests that security organs may have failed to connect the dots in time.

posted November 14, 2015 10:09 AM            

Lots of us here are lighting candles today/tonight...

posted November 14, 2015 10:11 AM            

Thanks to everyone posting news updates.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mars on the NN on the world axis. I suspected this.

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Yod with Aries Uranus at the apex quincunx Virgo Jupiter and Scorpio Mercury.

posted November 14, 2015 10:37 AM            

The Government says it's just a regular type of gun trafficker. It's not easy being a Muslim there, so they don't take/give such speculations lightly. Neither them nor Germans.

I think it's good to check out the chart for the Russian plane crash and Beirut bombings.

posted November 14, 2015 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Varja,

The Government says it's just a regular type of gun trafficker. It's not easy being a Muslim there, so they don't take/give such speculations lightly. Neither them nor Germans.

I think it's good to check out the chart for the Russian plane crash and Beirut bombings.

I have been following the news intently because my friends were there, and cannot comprehend the level of general desensitisation towards the issue. The vile I've read...

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Yes, I've been following it too. All these things. But regarding the man from Montenegro, it actually seems otherwise. The Bavarian Prime Minister Seehofer has now said publicly that the detained man is probably part of the terrorist attack squad. See here, for instance:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/german-poli ce-arrested-man-with-suspected-ties-to-paris-attacks

Another thing that transpired today is that part of the original attack plan may not have succeeded as planned. Several terrorism experts stressed today that there were three different suicide bombers outside the soccer stadium, stationed at different points, who detonated their bombs in intervals of 20 minutes in a row. However, their suicide bombings took way fewer lives than the other attacks - among the four dead, three were terrorists. Hardly what they could have hoped for.

The theory is now that the original plan may have been for at least one suicide bomber to get into the stadium, and to detonate his bomb there, in order to kill many people and create a mass panic, and that the other attackers were then scheduled to target the helpers and the fleeing people.

Due to the fact that the French President himself was attending that soccer match, security in the stadium was heightened and it's possible the attackers couldn't get in there. Moreover, security forces apparently took the right decision in immediately sealing the stadium and keeping the game going so people wouldn't panick. This kept the spectators safe from the suicide attackers who were waiting for them outside. It looks like this attack could have had even more lethal consequences than it still unfortunately had.

*ETA* In an ironic twist of fate, it became known today that 1200 people among the spectators in the stadium had been helpers during the Germanwing plane crash catastrophe, the one which was caused when a German co-pilot purposefully crashed a plane apparently due to psychological problems (and possibly also due to psycho medication side-effects). These helpers had been invited to watch the game as a way of thanking them for their effort. Now, it seems that these already traumatized people from Southern France were caught in the middle of another, even larger catastrophe in France's capital, how sad.

posted November 14, 2015 11:02 AM            

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posted November 14, 2015 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Well, the friends called in and all is OK. (Admittedly, they weren't supposed to be in those parts of Paris, but they weren't answering the phone... Turns out they were close enough. And local people were amazing.) I can now chill from trawling the news.

(Varja, we'll continue later on )

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That's wonderful news, Venus!

posted November 14, 2015 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I am sorry to say I thought Germany might be next too.

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With all my respect to the humanitarian effort there...knowing this is a politically super-sensitive topic...and with the hope that our fears will never come true...

Inviting 5,000-10,000 people into the country per day? So it looks like this at the border? With a new crowd each day?? Talk about pushing security capabilities to the absolute limit (or breaking point? )

Makes me wonder about Merkel... http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Angela_Merkel

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/merkel-s-o pen-arms-refugee-stance-tested-as-europe-goes-on-alert

posted November 14, 2015 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
With all my respect to the humanitarian effort there...knowing this is a politically super-sensitive topic...and with the hope that our fears will never come true...

Inviting 5,000-10,000 people into the country per day? So it looks like this at the border? With a new crowd each day?? Talk about pushing security capabilities to the absolute limit (or breaking point? )

Makes me wonder about Merkel... http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Angela_Merkel

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/merkel-s-o pen-arms-refugee-stance-tested-as-europe-goes-on-alert

Sorry if this is derailing, but it's heavy on my mind.

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Faith - nobody is "inviting" the refugees, the choice is between treating them humanely or detaining them like cattle, or worse. They are simply coming and nobody can stop them, thanks to a certain unnamed country's misguided interventionist policies in the Middle East which created the conditions that gave birth to all this mayhem.

Those refugees are the ones who pay the heaviest price, and are in their overwhelming majority regular people, often people with families and good education, who are running from ISIL, with very good reason. They come to our country braving the risk of death (and so many thousands have already paid with their lives for even the effort) because they want what we have, a stable society. They don't come to subvert our country. Conversely, at least one (confirmed) and probably several more of the assailants yesterday were French nationals who grew up in that country. These people, radicalized underpriviledged youths who were not properly integrated, are much more dangerous than these distraught refugees. They know exactly what the horrors of ISIL look like, because they've seen it, and are telling their stories now, which can help restrain our own young radicalized and delusional proto-terrorists.

Intergrating the refugees will no doubt be difficult but isn't that, with all due respect, any Christian's, and also, every humanitarian's duty, to help the victims of terror and war? What are our values worth if we watch families drown by the thousands in the Mediterrenean, or die from asphyxiation like cattle in illegal transports? Mme. Merkel said a while ago that if that's the idea, 'then this is not my country anymore'. Must have been the first time I agreed with her about something.

At my place of work we are currently charged with integrating 700 refugees. One of my colleagues is in charge of the integration effort so I do have some sort of grasp of what the situation looks like at the grassroots level. Also, one should consider that after WWII, Europe intergrated many, many more refugees. 3 of my 4 grandparents were refugees. Compared to then the situation is much more stable and economically speaking much easier. It's doable and it's not like we have a choice in the matter anyway.

I'm much more concerned about the Islamists that are already legal residents in the European countries, due to being born here. Before they actually commit some sort of crime, nothing can be done against them legally, and supervising all of them 24/7 is not feasible.

posted November 14, 2015 12:51 PM            

My understanding of the situation in Bavaria is, they are pushed to the absolute limit in resources, and with the cold coming in, the refugees are not going to have adequate housing. It's a matter of balancing supply and demand, and I think the open-door policy cannot last forever?

But thanks to that unnamed country's interventionist's policies ...the demand will be there for a very long time.

At what point do you say No, we cannot do this anymore? Overconfidence about being able to cope with the influx could seriously backfire.

I mean, isn't Germany the economic heart of the EU? Isn't Bavaria the richest part of Germany? If Bavaria suffers immoderately can't that impact the whole EU?

Just wondering.

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posted November 14, 2015 01:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I understand everything you are saying, Vajra I honestly do.

My understanding of the situation in Bavaria is, they are pushed to the absolute limit in resources, and with the cold coming in, the refugees are not going to have adequate housing. It's a matter of balancing supply and demand, and I think the open-door policy cannot last forever?

But thanks to that unnamed country's interventionist's policies ...the demand will be there for a very long time.

At what point do you say No, we cannot do this anymore? Overconfidence about being able to cope with the influx could seriously backfire.

I mean, isn't Germany the economic heart of the EU? Isn't Bavaria the richest part of Germany? If Bavaria suffers immoderately can't that impact the whole EU?

Just wondering.

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Thanks for your understanding, Faith. Am worried about the cold too, have been for some time but due to some streak of luck we so far have one of the warmest falls ever over here, so this buys a little time. Germany is very bureaucratic, so changes always take a long time, and Bavaria is justifiedly worried about the demands made upon their regional resources. There is an adjustment period, which is only normal, and it's not like there were any ready-made blueprints for such a situation available. But I'm very sure the German authorities will not let these people freeze. So far, an overwhelming number of volunteers have worked to collect donations and distribute them, spontaneously. Some people take time off from work and spend their entire holidays working as volunteers. Some people have quit their jobs and have gotten hired by the charities instead that care for the refugees, to commit to this work full-time.

posted November 14, 2015 01:10 PM            

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I don't understand that part, though. All countries have border controls, don't they?[/B]

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