posted November 16, 2015 04:54 PM            

I will give a personal example. I have a four planet personal stellium(including the South Node) in Gemini in the 9th House. In this case, I have a strong Sagittarius leaning due to the 9th House, Sagittarius’ House. That puts the NN in the 3rd House in Sagittarius. Hence, one has to COALESCE the meaning of the North Node in Sagittarius with this in mind. *Sigh* I hope that made sense.

However, true to the definition of the NN, Sagittarius is a sign to which I greatly aspire. The traits of Sagittarius feel slightly out of reach, which is a defining trait of the North Node. If the NN is easy, your time of birth is wrong. I feel confident in saying that because the NN defines the chart, in many ways, as does Chiron. If one’s Chiron does not fit the House, I believe the time of birth is wrong, also.

Aries/Libra Axis
The NN in Aries would make Aries a sign to which the native aspires. Aries has confidence. I, always, picture him in a red bikini speedo. (I used to swim a mile a day in college and grad school) He struts his stuff. He has strong opinions and he has no compunction about sharing them. He is up for a fight( even if he does not start it). The NN Aries native has the South Node in Libra. This tells us that he is a giving partner. This is his NATURAL state. The SN shows us that which is natural and comfortable. The NN shows us that to which we aspire. For the Libra SN, he does not want to be the sole winner of the fight. He wants both people to emerge as winners. Hence, we see the polarity in the signs. Aries is the “I”. Libra is the “We”.

Taurus/Scorpio Axis

Taurus is practical. Scorpio is mystical. That is the polarity in this axis. Hence, the native with the NN in Taurus would need to be more practical. He is comfortable with the mystical, yet struggles with the mundane. I picture an ashram. People may get in touch with their mystical sides until the cows come home, but someone has to pay the bills. The SN in Taurus would pay the bills. The NN in Taurus would be chanting “ooooohhhm”

To summarize this, lest someone get lost in the prose. The NN in Taurus needs to be more practical. He needs to keep his bills ordered on his desk. He needs to pay them on time. The NN in Scorpio needs to learn to let go. He needs a class in Getalt Therapy, in which he learns to emote. His struggle will be to accept his primal impulse in all their raw beauty. This would include lust, aggression, anger, selfishness and the other emotions one does not express at cocktail parties.

Gemini/Sagittarius Axis
Gemini is good with small talk, chatter as we say in the field .Gemini is a friendly, flirt, jack of all trades. She may be the wittiest sign of the Zodiac and don’t try to beat her in Scrabble. Sagittarius is a soulful fellow. He wants to know WHY he is here on earth. Don’t let his friendly, golden retriever manner fool you. He is a deep person. He has more of a sense of law and order than you may imagine, as well.

As far as the NN in Gemini, the native may need to learn how to manage the art of small talk. He may need to be more curious about other people, as this is a big part of Gemini’s charm. The NN in Sagittarius may need to be more adventurous. He may need to open his mind to the deep questions of life, not be content to swim in the superficial.

Cancer/Capricorn
Cancer is the sign of home and mother. She is very protective of her nest, and she does makes one. You are either in her nest or a stranger a la a dog who protects his pack. One must demonstrate loyalty to gain entry to her nest. One must maintain loyalty to remain there. If there is one thing that Cancer cannot brook, it is betrayal. For the native with the NN in Cancer, she needs to learn to be more maternal. Being maternal is more of a state of mind than being an actual mother. It is the act of nurturing others( including pets) It includes fighting for those whom you love and those who are vulnerable. That is the nature of Cancer.

Capricorn makes his way in society by climbing the ladder of success, one rung at a time. Capricorns get things done. They are the CEOs, the leaders, the people who can stick to a goal when others have long given up. Capricorn is the sign of the father. The native with the NN in Capricorn will need to learn discipline and maturity. This is that to which he aspires.

Leo/Aquarius

Leo is the sign of the child. He is warm, affectionate, gives great presents and greater hugs. Every lovable, adorable child is self centered. That is part of what makes them so, darn cute. However, in an adult, it may have it’s drawbacks. The native with the NN in Leo needs to be MORE self focused. He needs to be more self loving, and more playful. Basically speaking, he needs to let loose and wear a lampshade on his head( metaphorically speaking)

Aquarius is the sign of the do-gooder. I don’t like Aquarius Suns, so you may see my prejudice. Aquarius seems to me to be the apple polisher kid. When all the kids are chewing gum and sticking it under their desks, the Aquarius is free of gum and pointing under the desk for the teacher. On the positive side, Aquarius will take on causes which others will ignore. This can be good because someone has to fight the world’s battles. For the native with the NN in Aquarius, he needs to look beyond his small world to the world beyond.

The polarity here is one’s small world and the larger world.

Virgo/Pisces

Virgo takes great pride in the work of his hands. A Virgo without a way to give to others will be a depressed Virgo. His manner of giving is practical. That differentiates him from his opposite sign, Pisces. Pisces is comfortable in "unsavory" places in which other sign will not go– mental institutions, jails, hospices and the like. The NN in Virgo needs to be more practical in how he offers service. He may need to learn how to take out the garbage and clean the kitchen. The NN in Pisces needs to learn to jettison the practical world and ride the wave of the mystical.

The polarity, here, is between the mundane and the mystical.

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posted November 17, 2015 07:37 AM            

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Originally posted by HadesFish:
Ami; Thanks for this post. I've been overwhelmed by/with Nodes for a while now. :/ ...
One of the reasons is because I've felt more like your Nn in Scorpio description is more fitting personally relating to my own Sn in that same sign. The very last part of your second paragraph.
I've never lost my composure at a cocktail party. I want to though! Around home/family(maternal, paternal, sibling, etc.), but it's been fair play... I can obviously say I have... I don't feel right with it, either.
I have always felt split and reversed in this sense.
I understand Scorpio in 4th here plays a [one?] part, but for me for instance it's never been domestic, as Taurus in 10th also plays an[equal?] part; has never felt overtly seemingly ambitious. Things have just fallen that way one or the other and fell into place in favor, but have never felt very fulfilling because they've felt reversed... and it seems will always be segregated like this.It would truly be great if you could possibly share some insight...
I'm not meaning retrograde, either, btw.
I'm the second description in your list and they're in the S 4th and N 10th, respectively.

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Hi Hades! How are you? We haven't talked for a while.

I am havng a hard time following your question.

Could you ask it again?

Thanks

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posted November 17, 2015 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If the NN is easy, your time of birth is wrong.

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Not necessarily.
I have NN in 1st house conjunct ASC, and Sun, Mercury and Venus are in 1st house as well.
What is true however is that it is a delicate work to find a good balance between over- and underemphasizing the expression of mySelf.

posted November 17, 2015 11:34 AM            

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posted November 17, 2015 11:51 AM            

You and me do it differently, slightly at least.

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posted November 17, 2015 11:54 AM            

Let me think on it!

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posted November 17, 2015 11:55 AM            

I'd say 5 or 8

5 is my main guess, though

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posted November 17, 2015 01:18 PM            

Though you are not totally wrong, Chiron is part of a Thor`s Hammer formation with the square between Chiron on 20 Aries and Vertex on 21 Cancer in 8th house being the basis, making sesisquares to the Mars on 5 Sagittarius in 12th house (but conj. ASC), with Mars ruling the 4th house and dispositing Chiron.

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My childhood was very happy, since I was cared for, protected, supported and loved by my parents (and grandparents).

However, I do understand that maybe some would consider my family background less than fortunate or maybe even difficult, as the fact that my brother has the Down syndrome always made us "stand out" in the neighbourhood somehow. I hesitate to call us "outcast" or "outsiders", as we were well integrated, however it`s true that our family or tribe as I usually call us, was "different".

And if we go one and two generations back, it is also true that both grandparents families had endured horrible things during the aftermath of war and on their escape from the eastern border (with the treck right across the frozen Baltic sea in the middle of winter).
And not all members of the extended family survived the war-experiences, some experiences my grandparents did survive, were enough to make my grandfather`s hair turn white over night. I don´t need to go into detail I suppose. We all know what soldiers, no what men, what people are capable of doing in warzones. On both sides of course, just that in this instance my grandparents were on the victim`s side.
(there is a reason my great grandfather told my great grandmother, at the onset of the invasion of the Russians into their village, that she better be gone by nightfall, or he would shoot her herself, cause that would mean more mercy to her. ).

And fast forward of course, the fact that my mother`s mom died suddenly when my mom, the eldest, was just 17 years old, and leaving behind 3 other children beside my mom, and of course a grieving husband who having returned from war somehow had held it together and was now struck by another tragedy at home, by losing his young wife (36 is no age to die).

I am pretty sure that all of that somehow seeped into the genetic code, the sadness and depression, the feelings of abandonment (because of losing their home and then also losing a parent), of unpredictability of life (all of it happening so suddenly and forcefully), the fears and depression.
It is nothing that is happening ON the surface, but it`s always been there, through noone`s fault, really.
And my mom (and us) got aware of that just a few years ago.

So even though my personal parental family background is one of love and support, I do think Chiron in 4th makes a sense if you take into account the ancestry.

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posted November 17, 2015 01:38 PM            

However my Chiron, except of the Thor`s hammer, does not have tight stressful aspects. Okay squaring Saturn, but that one is over 3 degrees. Sextile Moon just under 3 degrees. It`s just not that stressed out by planets in my chart I guess.

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posted November 17, 2015 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
The sign is spot on! I have an Aquarius NN and I do care strongly for stuff that isn't very mainstream.
I'm very faithful to my convictions, I can see that as the idealistic Aquarius trait.

But it also makes me feel a bit odd and isolated. I suppose it's the Saturn tinge of the Aquarius sign.

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Thanks S!

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posted November 17, 2015 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No 11-12 degrees away

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I guess you are one of a kind

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posted November 17, 2015 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hi Hades! How are you? We haven't talked for a while.

I am havng a hard time following your question.

Could you ask it again?

Thanks

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Hey Ami: I'm well...being a busy bee. Hope you'reok too.

I posted a link a bit back, hopefully it somewhat helps and is not too too confusing; if that's possible for moi via typing.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/233176.html

Also; they are at 0 with a couple of very tight conjunctions(2 under) to personal(s), and also there are some looser conjunctions(under 8 degrees)

P.S. Thanks for responding to this!

posted November 17, 2015 06:43 PM            

I am really having wrist issues and so trying to really, really limit my typing. I am not able to look right now. I am sorry! xxx

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posted November 17, 2015 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hades

I am really having wrist issues and so trying to really, really limit my typing. I am not able to look right now. I am sorry! xxx

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moon in AQ,, you get this monthly if they have been overworked?
hot cream capsazin or something,, cold pennies

reiki