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Plut0nian2
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posted November 23, 2015 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Belage

In fact I am looking for proofs of loyalty I just haven't found them yet.
I am not thinking about starting such a business ( I mean getting payed for that or do it officially etc)
I am already doing it since 2010..
Some women ask me if I could help them because I am good at computers.. but I get motivated to do it especially with friends of mine..
I feel like they are in a dreamy non existent world.. and they feel so certain that their boyfriends do not cheat them.. like they are spying on them 24 hours a day..
And it goes like this
Friend: " Oh you are just too suspicious.. not all men cheat.. for example my boyfriend.. I am sure he loves me so much and I think he will mever cheat on me"
Me: (trying not to laugh as hard as I want to)
"Step out of your dreamy world honey.. I bet he has already cheated on you many times.. unfortunately I'll be able to prove it to you.. that means you won't be able to prove your words to me.."
Friend: "There you go again being super suspicious... I'll let you do your thing to prove you you are too suspicious and not all men are animals driven by their penis"

That's when I do my thing with computers and mobile phones and most of the times it doesn't need more that a week to prove that they've already been cheated and it goes on and on..
A friend of mines continued to spy on her boyfriend for a year or so.. of course he lied to her.. because he wasn't drunk at all when he cheated and he didn't love her.. just pretended successfully to do so..

Honestly I know I am too suspicious..
But till now I am not proven wrong to be so..
I would be happy if I was proven wrong..


So maybe I've already done this spy thing more than 150 times (for some women I've done it multiple times) since 2010

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Plut0nian2
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posted November 23, 2015 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
curiouspisces89

Thank you
I am happy your mom ended like happy

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Isa
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posted November 23, 2015 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mother has Saturn in the 8th.
She has a lot of health issues, especially blood vessel and legs related. She gets a lot of surgeries She lends money to people expecting them to pay her back, but they never do and she ends up broke and desperate, even though she has a really nice situation financially, it's like she cannot control herself.

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posted November 23, 2015 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Plutonian... whoa.

You ARE Plutonian!

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Plut0nian2
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posted November 23, 2015 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isa

Thanks for saying your experience about this
I am sorry for your mom
Maybe something else is the problem in her chart that she can not control it? :/


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hehe truth is most people guess that I am a scorpio woman and there's a minority guessing I am a leo.. (mostly because of my style)

But why did you say that? I mean what makes you think that I am indeed Plutonian?

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posted November 24, 2015 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sven555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sven555

I get what you're saying, but let's say I don't care that much about how they act..
I care about being mature internally, taking life seriously..
You see so many men at their 40s and 50s living with their mothers because they don't bother to find a job..
Now here in my country is difficult to.find a job, but this situation began in 2009.
Which means that 30 years old men and older had soo many chances to find a good job but they just didn't give a ****..
I would be so ashamed if I was a man in my 30s or older and did not have a job..
even a not good paying job is better than no job..
I mean sorry for saying that in this way but.. women do everything in this world, men are almost useless..
Women work, they keep the house clean, they cook, they give birth to children and they take care of them alone in fact because dads are like a decorative object.. taking care of youselr as a woman is like 1000 times more difficult than taking care of yourself when being a man.. (even our hair needs like 30 minutes to get dry if medium length.. let alone applying creams serums makeup yada yada yada) and in the end of the day we should have enough energy to have sex with our husbands that were sitting like all day long.. waiting for everything to be ready.. just to get cheated on in the end because your husband got bored.. I mean wtf? It's like even nature os against us.. we are getting fatter a lot easier we have periods we get all kind of sexual diseases so easily we are in danger to get raped.. I mean there is not a reason a sexual toy is not better than a man.. no danger of getting diseases, or prefnant, or unsatisfied.. Most men now do not even make money for themselves here in my country.. let alone to make money for their women or family etc..
Again sorry for being harsh but honestly,
it's rediculus how men have become.. I feel like they don't even deserve to be called men..
I got a little carried away with my feminist thoughts hehe :P
I've only fallen for Scorpios with some planets in Capricorn.. Scorpio = deep intense emotional and serious.. Capricorn = serious steady hardworking


Don't worry, it's fine to express your opinion.
So basically, you don't really mind how a man acts; you care more about his work-ethic and his work/responibilities? (I see the Cap/Saturn!)

As a man, I do agree with you; society is changing yet again and men are slowly becoming more 'soft', but the standards for women have increased tenfold. Women must look perfect all the time according to society; but so on.

Perhaps you are surrounded by or finding the wrong sort of guys?

Scorpio and Capricorn do represent hardwork/deep emotions and seriousness. However! Those signs alone don't manifest into hardwork. The people who you fell for more likely had strong planetary arrangements involving Mars/Saturn/Pluto with each other or Luminaries.


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posted November 24, 2015 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom has this aspect...Saturn in Aquarius conjunction Mercury in Aquarius in her 8th house. She has Cancer rising so Saturn does rule her 7th house as well. She has Capricorn Sun in her 6th house.

Her dad is still alive, though I think she often craves a more emotionally satisfying relationship, which he doesn't seem capable of providing. He's sometimes cold and insensitive towards her...he often tells her to "suck it up" and push through when what she really needs is his advice and unconditional love.

She's never had problems with her taxes. Death does affect her in a severe and sometimes crippling way. She's sensitive to the cycle of life. But she also has a hardened edge about her, and she's more likely to base her future actions on the events from her past. New directions are scary and often unwanted. She's uncomfortable with change and transitions but often weathers the storm better than most people. She's easily suspicious and often knows when people are lying to her.

I see this aspect most in her health, though. She has suffered from debilitating arthritis since around the time of her Saturn return. My ascendant is in Aquarius and closely conjunction her Saturn and Mercury. I inherited her inflammatory arthritis, though mine set in long before my Saturn return.

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posted November 24, 2015 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Plut0nian2, if you are trying to convince me that EVERY man cheats, you can stop wasting your time because it's not going to work, and I don't care how many of your friends you've spied for to prove your point.

To state that every man cheats is to not understand men and humans in general. And I am old enough to know better.

As above, so below. and vice versa. You have a particular chart that lends itself to your particular type of thinking and if it works for you, hey, do you.

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posted November 24, 2015 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ayelet

I haven't read Star Signs
If my surgery is not sucessful then there is no other way to get read of my problem

Hmm so you are indeed a late bloomer..
At least in my country starting a relationship after 20 for the first time means you are late bloomer.. hehe

It's sad that you can do nothing to improve your situation
I hope you are at least a loner and you don't want children and marriage, like me ???
That would make it a lot easier for you



I guess I CAN be a loner. I mean, my ascendant is in Capricorn. But my sun sign is Cancer, the sign of motherhood, and my moon is in company-loving Gemini. And my sun is in the seventh house, meaning close relationships are very important to me. But I have some very close relationships in my life, and still got some family left, so... no worries! At least not for now.

I really advise you to read "Star Signs". It may change your perspective. Really, this book is a must in this age, and I don't know for how long it would be available... Hopefully forever. It's an amazing book.
I wish your surgery will go well

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posted November 24, 2015 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just saw your chart and you are cancerian as well, with the asc. on cancer! It seems like you have some other strong interest in which to invest your love.

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I have this placement but i haven't experienced it that negatively; but in the spirit of full disclosure, mine is both conjunct and parallel Jupiter so that probably takes out a lot of the sting or neutralizes it somewhat.

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posted November 24, 2015 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
----- Sven555 ------

I don't care about a man's money or status
It's just that if he can not make money enough for himself I'll think that he wants to be with me for my money and not because he wants me.
Believe it or not men I've fallen for have been born 15 Nov 1989, 16 Nov 1989, 17 Nov. 1989, 18 Nov 1989.. heheh it's creepy..
They have Sun,Mercury, Mars, Pluto in Scorpio
and Venus, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus in Capricorn.
Ive met many men but I get bored easily, most of times I can not even think of them as men.. I mean for some reason I see most men like brothers, I mean in a friendly way automaticaly.. So it's realky difficult for me to like someone in an intimate way..
Those 4 men mentioned above are the only exceptions.. and I didn't even got bored with then.. I mean they were waiting for me like at least a year or more..
With the 3 of them I could not even stop talking with them like 24 hours a day, everyday for one or two years.
I couldn't get enough of them, they seemed to get not enough of me too..
Deep, secretive, emotional but cold on the outside (i love this..)
In fact they are like another "me" but they are much more patient and good in taking actions than me.

------ StubbornVirgo --------

Thanks for posting your experience..
I seem to have much in common with your mom
I hope it won't happen the same with me at Saturn return
I am sorry you inherited her athritis
As for the dad.. no I didn't have a distant father but he died young
I've read that it is one of these two (the father is either cold/distant or he'll die young)

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posted November 24, 2015 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
------ Belage -------

I am not trying to convince you.
If someone agrees with me it's ok
If someone disagrees with me it's ok again
I was just explaining why I have this opinion.
I am always convinced by proofs.
Of course there will be men that don't cheat
But it seems to em they are far less so it's difficult to find them.
And unless I spy on someone and I won't catch him cheat.. only then I'll belive he is not cheating.
That's all


------ Ayelet -------

Thanks for suggesting me a good book
I'll really try to get it

Yes I am a cancer sun and asc
But I don't have many cancerian traits.
I really wish you unexpected great luck in the future


------ SpongeBob -------

That's good!
Maybe Jupiter helps you..
I also have Saturn opposite Jup but almost 10 orbs apart

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posted November 24, 2015 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sven555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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----- Sven555 ------

I don't care about a man's money or status
It's just that if he can not make money enough for himself I'll think that he wants to be with me for my money and not because he wants me.
Believe it or not men I've fallen for have been born 15 Nov 1989, 16 Nov 1989, 17 Nov. 1989, 18 Nov 1989.. heheh it's creepy..
They have Sun,Mercury, Mars, Pluto in Scorpio
and Venus, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus in Capricorn.
Ive met many men but I get bored easily, most of times I can not even think of them as men.. I mean for some reason I see most men like brothers, I mean in a friendly way automaticaly.. So it's realky difficult for me to like someone in an intimate way..
Those 4 men mentioned above are the only exceptions.. and I didn't even got bored with then.. I mean they were waiting for me like at least a year or more..
With the 3 of them I could not even stop talking with them like 24 hours a day, everyday for one or two years.
I couldn't get enough of them, they seemed to get not enough of me too..
Deep, secretive, emotional but cold on the outside (i love this..)
In fact they are like another "me" but they are much more patient and good in taking actions than me.


Yeah, I'm aware that you don't. I strongly disagree with you on that comment, I doubt a man would just try and be with you purely for financial gain unless you have surplus amountsof money to use.

You've sort of lost me now, but I think we should stay on topic.

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posted November 25, 2015 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you PlutOnian2, I wish you the same!

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posted November 25, 2015 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
---- Sven555 ----

I thought the same as you..
But believe it or not I see lazy men being with women just because they buy them drinks or some presents etc..

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I know this is an old thread but I love collecting and contributing actual "data" on how experience lines up with the placements... Plut0nian2 I wonder how things have evolved for you. I have a similar dynamic to yours, with natal Saturn in Aquarius in the 8th house with a wide opposition to Jupiter in Virgo in the 2nd. I am currently going through my (first) Saturn Return. Natal Saturn squares both Sun in Taurus in the 11th and Pluto in Scorpio in the 5th. Saturn also sextile a Mercury/Juno conjunction in the 10th. I, too, have Neptune conjunct Uranus (8th house ruler) placed in the 7th. Saturn is also the ruler of my north node in Capricorn.

When I was little I actually prayed for a difficult life so that I would become wise. Oh we know not what we ask for...

Anyway I definitely have some of the same themes:
- partners who are financially poor and/or become unemployed and benefit from my own resources (luckily Jupiter in the 2nd always has me taken care of, but I always lose money through partners - mainly due to my own lack of boundaries, perhaps because of south node in Cancer in the 12th)
- partners who are emotionally poor as well, either disconnected from their emotions or very emotionally underdeveloped
- older marriage partner and preference for older people/friends in general
- partner who struggles with addiction
- never wanted to marry but did so for practical "business-like" reasons
- divorced age 29 (during Saturn Return squaring natal sun)
- my health is good overall with some chronic but minor issues, especially with the bones, skin, and kidneys (the latter two likely due to other placements)
- father was always convinced he would die young but hasn't yet; however, he raised me with the paralyzing fear that he WOULD die at any moment (and he was my only parent since middle school)
- during Saturn return father began sudden severe health problems and was hospitalized 3x in 2 months
- father also loses money through partners, interestingly; he is easily deceived and taken advantage
- father is disconnected from his own emotions, though emotionally attached to me; very stoic and distant (but with both our moons in Aries we understand one another well; also, his Libra stellium is on my IC while my mother's sun is on my MC)
- lots of financial support from father
- deep fears of intimacy (a disorganized attachment style) yet desire for it; lots of unconscious self-sabotage in this area, between choosing partners who can't match my emotional depth and, once in a relationship, evading intimacy in a subconsciously manipulative way
- problems with taxes and receiving money from the government, though usually due to my own carelessness
- mother removed me from her will, so no inheritance there
- when I was younger I was very jealous and had strong fears of being cheated on (mom cheated on dad) but I feel this fear has lessened significantly with maturity
- however, I've witnessed cheating by people of all genders (mother cheated on father, first long-term boyfriend cheated on me; but I have never cheated)
- incredible persistence and loyalty in relationships - I don't give up easily, or truly at all, as I always remain friends at least
- survival fear, fear that I cannot survive on my own without a partner or parent of some kind (probably more node-related though)
- first boyfriend also took a YEAR to have sex with me even though I was eager to lose my virginity (and he was a virgin too) - it really took a toll on my self-confidence
- first boyfriend eventually cheated on me and because of this gave me an STD


yungang_grotto - I prefer equal house system and that is what I'm using here.
Belage - so wise, all you said was true.

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