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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 24, 2016 04:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by Electro DGX: As an electronic musician myself, I thought I'd drop in my 11th harmonic chart. It's got quite some interesting stuff in it.
I was hoping you`d drop in here! And here we have the Uranus for the electronic music! That T-square of Uranus-Venus-Sun with a very exact Uranus-Sun-aspect though not coming along with a midpoint picture. There is no Grand trine, however Uranus IS trine Mercury and Mercury conjunct Neptune - ONCE again. It has come up by now so often in musicians, I am inclined to look out for it and if it happens some more time think of it as a possible pattern or indicator for a musician.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 24, 2016 04:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by angel4845: Wooooowwww that looks great your 25th harmonic chart!!!!! Woooowwwww!!! Are you creative by any chance? You gotta have some talent in something!!
Yes, I was surprised about my 25th chart.
Well I`ve been writing poetry and stories, fanfiction mostly but also some original texts some years ago. but it seems like I can`t do both simultaneously, writing stories AND doing astrology, like they are located in different regions of my brain, and if I switch on one, the other gets switched off. I do miss writing sometimes though. On the other hand that Venus-Uranus-Saturn-picture might even be indicative of astrology, though I would have expected Mercury instead of Venus. Also I do remember that when we performed the little scene for the 25th anniversary of my parents, my mother asked me why I never had tried becoming an actress (and to be honest I have acted my whole life, but just more or less during childhood or in imagination. Well I consider life as a screenplay anyway ) Of course if it is about acting, David Cochrane sais the 17th harmonic chart needs to be looked at for that as he found it to be very strong in actors. I doNīt think I would make a good actress though.
Well in my 25th chart there is the Venus-Uranus-Saturn configuration and cafe astrology has this interpretation
"Venus-Saturn-Uranus (95) You have some conflicting feelings when it comes to your love relationships. You want to be devoted and responsible to the people you love, but you also want to feel uninhibited, unrestrained, and free. Without realizing it, you may make loved ones feel that they are annoying you or bothering you. Try to be patient and calm while trying to resolve any relationship problems that you encounter." Whilt this is very very true, it doesn`t say anything about creativity. LOL BTW in my 17th harmonic chart, though it is not that impressive I have
I have Sun opposite Saturn and both square Neptune on the NN, with Sun being conjunct Mars and Saturn being conjunct Venus (though Mars and Venus are too wide to be really prt of the T-square). Additonally I have an isolated Moon-Uranus-conjunction there, I`d think though the above mentioned is the dominant feature of that chart. PUtting Neptune on the Sun/ Saturn-mp of course So if acting, I would probably want to learn it and do it in a structured way and not very much for improvisations. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 24, 2016 04:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by angel4845: Ceridwen,Here are there charts my friend the singer/songwriter. my old crush (guitar player has his own band) Me. & my 25th harmonic chart.
impressive Yod, though not with a midpoint picture. But Sun-Pluto to Saturn and Uranus. Is he/she a very intense singer, songwriter? More serious, but also innovative with Uranus on the Apex? Also once again Mercury-Neptune in the 11th harmonic of a singer!
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 24, 2016 04:50 PM
The old crush has some very strong pictures here, too. Mercury conjunct Pluto to Uranus, this time resulting in a midpoint picture. What kind of songs are they playing? with Pluto-uranus it looks kind of provocative. lol ONce again Mercury-Neptune, though not in conjunction but as a trine. And then the third outstanding alignment. Sun-Venus to Moon-Mars Looks like coming alive through creativity, and maybe itīs even a turn on ? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 24, 2016 04:54 PM
Angel, and your 11th harmonic is remarkable! Moon-Venus to Sun. Wow! Loverly. Neptune-Uranus to Saturn. Interesting though how the personal planets are set apart from the outer planets, each one forming their own circuit. I wonder if you can express yourself in very different areas.
And with Venus-Mars-Pluto, oh boy, very very intense, possibly a little dark at times? Or just very very sexy?
And Mars conjuncts Neptune, not a Mercury-Neptune- this time, but Mars-Neptune probably is very charismatic when making music and well like a chamaeleon, adapting several different styles? IP: Logged |
angel4845 Knowflake Posts: 2410 From: los angeles, ca, USA Registered: Oct 2014
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posted March 24, 2016 05:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: The old crush has some very strong pictures here, too. Mercury conjunct Pluto to Uranus, this time resulting in a midpoint picture. What kind of songs are they playing? with Pluto-uranus it looks kind of provocative. lol ONce again Mercury-Neptune, though not in conjunction but as a trine. And then the third outstanding alignment. Sun-Venus to Moon-Mars Looks like coming alive through creativity, and maybe itīs even a turn on ?
Provacative?? hahahhahahahah!!!!!!!!!! nooooooo not at all. he is a progressive rock guy he won't admit it but he is, you can instantly hear it in his music and playing. he loves all kinds of music, he's like me we like everything! but i feel he is heavenly influenced but rock for some reason, it seems that way cause his music sounds so masculine LOL! maybe that's just my venus feeling his opposition to his mars??? hahahahaha! i guess its a turn on for him haha! yup mercury-neptune ! always showing up! sorry i will respond to all your messages when I'm off work. ------------------ Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th House IP: Logged |
mar1982delta Knowflake Posts: 732 From: Registered: Nov 2015
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posted March 24, 2016 05:11 PM
Hi Ceri, here's the 11th harmonic of you know who..lol He has a degree in classical music (contrabass), he studied it for years and he plays rock music (bass) in a band as a hobby..He also plays guitar and he knows a little bit of playing the piano, too. As you can see...countless yods (if 11 d orb is valid, I think all the yods are valid, isnt that right?) Here's my chart, but I posted it just because I wonder if there is any potential in it.. I played the flute as a kid and then electric keyboard (I dont know if thats the correct word in english lol) as a teenager, but I dont know if I have any talent..I suppose I am just a good listener, but mainly I just adore music..I cant live without it! IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 306 From: Uranus Registered: Jul 2015
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posted March 24, 2016 05:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I was hoping you`d drop in here! And here we have the Uranus for the electronic music!That T-square of Uranus-Venus-Sun with a very exact Uranus-Sun-aspect though not coming along with a midpoint picture. There is no Grand trine, however Uranus IS trine Mercury and Mercury conjunct Neptune - ONCE again. It has come up by now so often in musicians, I am inclined to look out for it and if it happens some more time think of it as a possible pattern or indicator for a musician.
I see. I was wondering how that grand-cross would affect it (not including the sun but including Chiron, since it sits at 20 degrees and is within the orbs). How would that work? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 06:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by angel4845: he is a progressive rock guy he won't admit it but he is, you can instantly hear it in his music and playing.
Yes, makes sense with Uranus/Pluto, I think it was an astrological marker for rock-music, too. Wasn`t having Elvis something along the Uranus-Pluto-thing? 5th house? Venus? Something like thta? And it was pretty progressive for these times back then. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 06:53 AM
Haha, I love being right! Elvis chart: and I remembered it right, he was actually having a T-square of Venus-Pluto to Uranus, putting Uranus on the Venus/Pluto-midpoint with just 14 minutes of orb. Well that was already there in his natal. lol And with Uranus in the 5th it is pretty obvious. [/URL]
his 11th harmonic chart has a Moon-Venus-conjunction as focal point of the T-square to the Mars-MC-opposition with the midpoint pictures of
Venus =Mars/MC 0°08 Moon= Mars/MC 0°53 And another T-square of consisting in
Pluto opposing Neptune square Sun, hence making him (Sun) expressive of a collective (Pluto-neptune) in terms of music (11th harmonic) The third focal picture here is NN on DESC and hence opposing ASC-SN with squaring the Jupiter-Saturn-conjunction (Jupiter-DESC and Saturn-Nodes in particular) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 07:08 AM
Mar, ONLY conjunctions have 11/ 12 degree orb. Opposition have 6 degrees and so on (you divide the maximum orb of 12 degrees through the harmonic number of the aspects; this way you ensure that the orbs are staying proportionally the same no matter what harmonic you look at). Quinkunx has a 1 degree orb thus. (it`s a 12th harmonic aspect, so 12° divided by 12 equals 1°; since Cochrane actually sometimes uses a 16° orb for conjunctions, though others propose the 12° orb, we could expand the orb of the quinkunx a little bit to 1°20 - Personally if in doubt I check the direct midpoint structures which are making an aspect configuration more prominent anywas. So if the quinkunx 30 minutes out of orb, but the whole resulting in a direct midpoint structure under 1 degree, you can BET I will count it!)
You know who definitely has a very breathtaking 11th harmonic chart. Starting withe the triple alignment of Moon-Mars-Neptune and making a Yod with Jupiter and to the focal Sun. Well technically Sun-Jupiter is out of orb, but it seems Sun is on the Mars/Jupiter-midpoint which would be the focus of this configuration here. The second one being Mercury on the Apex of Mars(Moon) to Uranus. And there is of course a triple alignment of Uranus-Pluto-ASC even though ASC and Pluto are NOT part of the Yod. Pluto seems to be on the Uraus/ASC-mp as well. and the minor triangle of Jupiter-Uranus to the Moon-Mars again. Definitely the Moon-Mars(Neptune) being the absolute focus of his 11th harmonic chart.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 07:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by mar1982delta: I played the flute as a kid and then electric keyboard (I dont know if thats the correct word in english lol) as a teenager, but I dont know if I have any talent..I suppose I am just a good listener, but mainly I just adore music..I cant live without it!
Haha, JUST like me! As for your chart there is a widish Grand trine between Saturn-Sun-Uranus, with Sun possibly on the Saturn/Uranus-mp, though maybe a tad wide, I have not really done the math though. What I find most interesting however is that while Venus is not part of the Grand trine and not making a Kite it IS rather closely opposing Uranus. Makes me think of the strong impact music leaves on you and might even lead to lifechanges(?). Sun on the Saturn/Uranus-mp also introduces a clash of the new and the old and the urge to integrate them to make something new from it. And I think that Venus becomes the trigger here. The other things standing out to me are of course the Mars-Pluto-conjunction, again the very strong passionate impact music leaves on you. I usually do not use Chiron in these charts (it gets just too much) but it is just so glaring here, the opposition to Chiron which of course also puts Chiron on the Mars/Pluto-mp. It is not an aspect configuration but it is a very interesting interplay, there is something here that feels like it is almost attacking your most vulnerable side, waking up very passionate but also raw and primal feelings, feels like a change or transformation is almost violently forced on you. I am not sure how much YOU do this in terms of actively playing music, or how much it is really more or less a picture for being receptive to it. those incomplete aspectfigures always make me think like they are just waiting for someone to close it, to become a catalyst for these pictures to express.
(the other thing is of course Neptune on the ASC/MC-mp, music being just very close to your personality and identity, along with dreams, spirtiuality and all the jazz). Interestingly HE does not have anything to offer for you Mars-Pluto-Chiron. Hmm. that is surprising. However he does have quite a bit to offer for your other configuration,
putting his Jupiter onto your Venus, and hence becoming this trigger I mentioned above. But more importantly to me he also puts his Neptune-Moon-Mars right onto your Saturn, though maybe it is realy the other way round, too, you put your Saturn there and trigger hs Yod, though with Saturn, you never know, could be very structuring, committed or could be like a wet blanket and dampening. That Saturn-Neptune is especially interesting, not sure how to interprete it though other than reality meets imagination.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 07:24 AM
Electro, yes you`re right Chiron makes it a complete Grand Cross. Definitely significantly looking, though I am not really sure how to interprete it. LOoks like a mix of deep emotional sensitivity, intensity and vulnerability and at the same time with Jupiter very expansive. But I donīt really know. Sorry. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 07:27 AM
BTW of course the 11th harmonic is not ONLY indicative of music The 11th harmonic chart is one of (inner) motion, you will find a lot of imagination there, fantasies, a tendency to obsession and compulsion even, and like Cochrane writes "restless, moving, seeking fulfillment, "hungry", progressive, dissatisfied with the status quo" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKExCU40i2s
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 07:37 AM
" 11th Harmonic The 11th harmonic shows pure imagination and fantasy (Marks). "Seymour-Smith says, '11H aspects manifest in a very definite way and they indicate excess.' They also, according to Williamsen, describe a `person's ability to integrate diversities and dualisms.' These interpretations are reconcilable: the tension of `double-bind' situations, which can be external -- where you are trapped by feelings of obligation or duty, but cannot entirely please one or more people -- or internal -- the tug between scepticism and faith -- is likely to lead to a type of stress which in its turn will lead to excess in one form or another." (http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/ HTML/010557.html). The 1/11 aspect indicates the ability to reach beyond oneself for help and to have a strong social consciousness (Godefrey). The 11th harmonic is unstable, Uranian, and hungry for something new, and is innovative and impatient, and inclined to music and dance. Getting enough sleep and avoiding too many stimulants is important. (Cochrane). " http://www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdf
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Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 2102 From: Pandora's Box Tech Registered: Mar 2015
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posted March 25, 2016 07:40 AM
Electro DGX I'm curious about your music. If you're comfortable with sharing it, I'd like to listen to it.------------------ The first psychic femdroid on the market. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 306 From: Uranus Registered: Jul 2015
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posted March 25, 2016 09:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia: Electro DGX I'm curious about your music. If you're comfortable with sharing it, I'd like to listen to it.
No problem. Just follow the link to my SoundCloud here, where all my tracks are posted. https://soundcloud.com/electrodgx/tracks IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 2102 From: Pandora's Box Tech Registered: Mar 2015
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posted March 25, 2016 10:20 AM
Thanks. I've listened to your tracks and, to be honest, your music isn't my cup of tea but I see potential in you. Good luck with your future works.------------------ The first psychic femdroid on the market. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 306 From: Uranus Registered: Jul 2015
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posted March 25, 2016 10:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia: Thanks. I've listened to your tracks and, to be honest, your music isn't my cup of tea but I see potential in you. Good luck with your future works.
Thanks! At least you're honest IP: Logged |
angel4845 Knowflake Posts: 2410 From: los angeles, ca, USA Registered: Oct 2014
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posted March 25, 2016 11:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Yes, makes sense with Uranus/Pluto, I think it was an astrological marker for rock-music, too. Wasn`t having Elvis something along the Uranus-Pluto-thing? 5th house? Venus? Something like thta? And it was pretty progressive for these times back then.
yeah it was very progressive back then. I'm not sure about elvis's natal chart. in his 5th harmonic my name asteroid conjuncts chiron? what would you think that means? ------------------ Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th House IP: Logged |
mooninaries94 Knowflake Posts: 369 From: where the rain grows Registered: Jan 2016
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posted March 25, 2016 01:44 PM
Always loved music. Besides, I play keyboards and like to sing. Not sure how to read harmonic charts, but here goes mine, in case some kind soul want to give an insight: IP: Logged |
Selenite Knowflake Posts: 1050 From: Lyra Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 25, 2016 02:51 PM
My 11th Harmonic. Interesting!! I never realized it had to do with music. I put some music related asteroids for fun: Euterpe (27), Sappho (80), Apollo (1862), Orpheus (3361), Hathor (2340), Erato (62). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 02:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by angel4845: in his 5th harmonic my name asteroid conjuncts chiron? what would you think that means?
Hmm, your (name)energy brings him in contact with a very primal raw and vulnerable spot in himself, and doing that on the ground of creative expression or whenever he wants to have fun and being playful IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24982 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 25, 2016 02:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by mooninaries94: Always loved music. Besides, I play keyboards and like to sing. Not sure how to read harmonic charts, but here goes mine, in case some kind soul want to give an insight:
I think the focal aspects here are the triple conjunction of Pluto-Venus-ASC and there is a Mercury-Neptune aspect again. However it does not seem to be so fundamentally symmetrical as those charts I have seen for professional musicians. IP: Logged |
Selenite Knowflake Posts: 1050 From: Lyra Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 25, 2016 02:56 PM
& this is my boyfriend's.. he is a very talented composer and guitarist IP: Logged |