posted May 19, 2016 05:30 PM            

The stinger that stabs ends up killing the stingee and the stinger
stuff like that.

The Scorpio who develops true compassion wins. The Leo who gives freely from the heart wins.

posted May 19, 2016 05:37 PM            

Here is an East Indian proverb:

"Three things are needed in order to defeat any adversary:
to be glad when he is right,
to be sad when he is wrong,
and never to behave foolishly toward him.
Four things are needed to save the world from humanity:
accept the ignorance of others
and spare them your own.
Give to them from your substance
and expect no part of theirs."

posted May 20, 2016 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Southern Sun:
All Leo has to do is wait for our fixed neighbor to hit the self destruct button

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posted May 20, 2016 11:41 AM              

Dammit: unless Leo's got some Gemini in her and she comes back to "edit", and Scorp catches her...then everyone knows it wasn't really over for Leo, and she was just putting up a front like she does best. Ha ha

posted May 20, 2016 11:59 AM              

Leo can't lose. We just don't live in that kind of world.

If I'm right I win. If I'm wrong, I learn..I win. Onward to my destined greatness- lol.

posted May 20, 2016 05:38 PM            

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posted May 21, 2016 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
In my opinion no zodiac sign is stronger and more powerful than Leo so I would say regardless of the gender of the participants Leo wins. Leo is ruled by the Sun for a reason. Plus, it's a fixed FIRE sign.

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posted May 21, 2016 01:57 PM            

But anyway here I am doing it, pointing it out. I am Scorpio Sun.. and other things in Scorpio... ascendant, Pluto-Mercury. Vesta and Hygieia conjunct ascendant. My mom is a Leo Sun. Our arguments went really badly in my teens. All i can picture as i read this thread is her standing at my bedroom door screaming at me after my saying "i told you i had enough of the yelling and to leave me alone, i can't take it, please leave". She was crossing my boundary.. would keep yelling... not fighting on my terms... so i would snap and yell back. I am devastating when I let loose. Nobody stings like Scorpio...

My argument was that she had crossed my boundary knowingly and continued yelling... so she was asking for it.

posted May 21, 2016 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'll add that while Scorpio may "win"

Leo can't lose. We just don't live in that kind of world.

If I'm right I win. If I'm wrong, I learn..I win. Onward to my destined greatness- lol.

Leo Acs, Merc, Jup.

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This is perfect and awesome and self aware. I kind of have a bit of that attitude too... my MC is Leo... squared by my Pluto in Scorp. No other planets in Leo though. I explain it through my Jupiter-Mars sextile and Jupiter conjunct vertex. The Leo MC must have a part in this. Optimism yay! Not aaalways operative but very helpful...

posted May 21, 2016 02:10 PM            

(of course it depends on the chart but generally talking)

posted May 22, 2016 06:39 AM            

I've always found Scorpio males nice and generous until you do something wrong.

Once you cross there back prepare for a long battle of attrition.

posted May 22, 2016 08:19 AM            

I have also ran into scorps who are literal doormats regardless of how much needling I do

I have 3 inner planets in 8th, plus Sun square Pluto, so I dunno. Never saw them as a threat like textbooks say.

posted May 22, 2016 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I've met some strong Scorpios, but I'd never put my money on one simply because s/he had a Scorpio sun or other significant Scorpio placements. I've been close to too many Scorpios to ever do that.

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posted May 22, 2016 08:13 PM            

My mom was a low vibration Scorpio, and she did seek a lot of revenge, but sometimes was awkwardly clumsy about it...and she seemed surprise when others chose to exact their own vengeance upon her. I remember a male lawyer that beat her at her own game and I thought he was a treacherous scumbag within the first few minutes (and I was 13), but Mom was either blind to it or she was mistaken in thinking she could use that (thus underestimating him, though Mom does have some significant Leo to her as well).

I'll never forget how long she cried after the brakes went out on Dad's car that she won in the divorce. (I didn't cry, but I'd just been released from a mental ward and was recovering from powerful psychiatric drugs that were probably illegal to use on me, and certainly were used for reasons that Mom could've sued for had she not been such a self-absorbed idiot.) She said outright she took his car because he loved it so, but he worked on it all the time, so in retrospect I'm not surprised that the brake pad failed at a critical moment (while we were on the freeway) forcing Mom to dodge cars (she quickly pulled recklessly into a gas station and went around the building until the car stopped on its own). Dad never went to prison for it, and Mom never messed with Sag Dad again after that, at least not to my knowledge. Ironically, Dad seems to fear me more than he does Mom though I bear him no ill will (but if you could've seen his face when I, as an adult, asked him if he wanted to go target shooting with me ).

As a kid, I had a Scorpio BFF. She was also an astro-twin born 3 days after me, which means I'm Libra on the Scorpio cusp and she's Scorpio on the Libra cusp (I don't know her TOB). The only other difference I recall offhand is that she had a Cap moon (mine is Sag). She lacked my confidence, and one reason she liked being around me is because no one would get into her face when I was with her (I mentioned the mental ward, the excuse for putting me in was my kicking a boy who would not stop goosing me down the stairs, something many kids saw and talked about for years after, among other things--I was shunned and talked about behind my back, but it was extremely rare for someone to get in my face, or that of my Scorpio friend when I was with her).

When she decided to run away from home, she asked me to come along and I was the one to make it happen with a plan, and I was able to get us in with a krew of other runaway kids later. When a pimp sent goons out to kidnap us, I fought back long enough for our krew to intervene while she meekly submitted.

posted May 24, 2016 09:19 AM            

Depends a lot on the rest of the chart as well as the incarnated soul whether you're getting the self-stinging or the selfless healing variety... and usually it's a mix. It's hard to learn how to heal others until you've been truly low yourself, known suffering, and grown in true compassion and humility.

Scorpio is truly powerful when they allow the power to use them to lift others up and heal... rather than trying to be the power.

Pity and contempt are your emotions and projections... They don't belong to those struggling people. It's our task on earth to learn to love and care for everybody. The greatest thing you'll ever learn--just to love. Not always an easy task but if there's one sign that REALLY gets your goat then that's the area of life YOU have to work on. It's always been this way...

Leo is a beautiful gorgeous sign and they deserve every bit of admiration they get because they radiate love and embody the generosity of the Sun which gives all Life.

posted May 24, 2016 09:26 AM            

Practising astrology with these premises, that certain signs are bad and weak... this is divisive and breeds hate and suspicion rather than love. We are all here to help one another (just my opinion). Not to see who can win and develop massive prejudices and stereotypes... that won't help anybody... strive to understand people's struggles rather than looking down on them. That's the problem with pride. Both Scorpio and Leo have issues with pride--everybody does to some extent. We need to work with it creatively and keep it in check because it can actually end up being very self destructive itself.

posted May 24, 2016 09:26 AM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
This is perfect and awesome and self aware. I kind of have a bit of that attitude too... my MC is Leo... squared by my Pluto in Scorp. No other planets in Leo though. I explain it through my Jupiter-Mars sextile and Jupiter conjunct vertex. The Leo MC must have a part in this. Optimism yay! Not aaalways operative but very helpful...

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posted May 24, 2016 09:33 AM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Oh you have Jupiter-Merc-Asc?! No wonder! Shiny bell!

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posted May 24, 2016 09:46 AM            

I've been really enjoying flattering the bejeesus out of my Leo friends lately actually... now you mention it . It's not even flattery it's all 100% honest! And they love it and deserve it so why not?! One in particular I'm just blown away by her awesomeness... she still has struggles and issues but is very honest and up front about them... anyway. She is great.. lol.

Re: Jupiter-Vertex... hmm hmm

Hmm hm hm... shall we open or dig up a vertex thread? I'd like to hear other's opinions too. I'd be happy to share here but it might be fun to explore.