posted June 01, 2016 09:59 PM            

very interesting development here...

I've known quite a few women in abusive relationships and they always use the good time to justify the bad.

"But hey, when he was good with me, I was sooo happyyy..." kinda excuse

posted June 01, 2016 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
http://www.people.com/article/amber-heard-text-exchange-johnny-depp-assistant-a buse-allegations

very interesting development here...

I've known quite a few women in abusive relationships and they always use the good time to justify the bad.

"But hey, when he was good with me, I was sooo happyyy..." kinda excuse

this is getting very ugly.

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Even more interesting is her statement regarding being kicked by Depp: "Obviously he has no idea what he did or the extent that he did it. If someone was truly honest with him about how bad it really was, he'd be appalled," .
if he "obviously has no idea what he did", we have to speculate that he allegedly was under some mind altering drug/substance influence when he abused her. And that he has no recollection when he sobers up and has to be told of what he did under the influence.

This is very weird, indeed.

posted June 01, 2016 10:43 PM            

I'm not sure what's hit him in the past 5 years but he definitely changed in terms of life perspective and he's performing music more often now than he used to. It just seemed like Pluto hitting his moon was very pivotal in how he views women and nurturing and self-sufficiency. He didn't come from a well off family at all and these control issues (Pluto) might be triggered again.

posted June 02, 2016 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
Suprise! Crawfished on the police report. Either afraid of felony prosecution for lying or it would show how calculated it was all along. Not the sharpest tool in the shed that one.

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That's one possibility.

Another possibility is that she does what many domestic abuse victims do and returns, dropping all charges or refusing to file them in the first place. I believe the average time that a victim returns to an abuser before leaving for good is 7(at least women, I don't think male victims have been studied, in part because men are much less likely to report it, let alone discuss it, and there's less support for them). Ah, yes, this sums it up:
http://www.thehotline.org/2013/06/50-obstacles-to-leaving-1-10/

I went to a PTSD support group, and it's amazing how many times someone will return, convinced that it won't happen again, and still having positive feelings clouding their judgment (among other complications). More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_abuse

I understand domestic violence calls are among those the police hate the most. Even when they're just doing their jobs, they can find that the victim sides with the abuser against the police (or others who intervene), sometimes to the point of violence on the abuser's behalf. (And then in the worst case scenarios, they'll even help the abuser target, abuse, and even kill others, be they strangers, relatives, or one's own pets or kids.)

I'm not sure what to think of all that, but I do know that returning with a dropping of (or refusing to press) charges is incredibly common, so Amber dropping charges doesn't indict her as a liar in my eyes.

Btw, I don't claim to know what happened, and I find myself apathetic about the entire thing. It's just that learning some aren't familiar with the cycle of abuse and how common it is for a woman to drop or refuse to press charges that inspired me to comment. I've heard all kinds of theories on why it happens (including from those who returned to abusers repeatedly themselves) and mixed feelings about it. Doesn't matter if the use cult-like techniques to isolate and brainwash a victim, or if it's just a mean drunk or someone with anger management issues with poor impulse control. Returning is very common, and it seems to me that at least in my own personal life that about everyone has known at least one person who goes back in the cycle of abuse.

posted June 08, 2016 02:11 PM              

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
No. Those facts you don't like are still facts. The 'friend' who called the police that night even quoted Johnny as saying, 'What if I pull your hair too'? She's been arrested for domestic violence herself. That is every bit as relevant as all the 'she couldn't possibly be lying because she's female' bs.

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You're assuming quite a bit about my opinions on this (or lack thereof).

I've said nothing about not liking any facts.
I've also said nothing like "she couldn't possibly be lying because she's female."
Obviously, that would be a ridiculously stupid opinion to hold.

Anyway, disengaging with the frothing at the mouth types now, thanks.

posted June 08, 2016 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:

Anyway, disengaging with the frothing at the mouth types now, thanks.

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posted June 08, 2016 09:39 PM              

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I also specified that posters should link their opinions to astrological analysis *shrug*
some people just dont listen...

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posted June 09, 2016 12:44 PM            

However, because I use Johnny Depp as an example of Leo rising on my Rising Signs page, I needed to confirm his valid Asc sooner or later. This series of events allowed me to do so, and also gave me more meaty evidence for using orbs of 03-4' for Pluto's progressed aspects. I previously thought that Depp's Asc was in mid-Leo, but that was wrong: progressions for mid-Leo charts for his first marriage date (to Lori Anne Allison on 20 Dec 1983) failed. The correct chart's Asc is in the 2nd degree of Leo.

Here are the essential progressed aspects to the validated chart for those events with orbs listed (in minutes of arc like 04' or 4.5').

Split from Vanessa Paradis (mother of his children) announced 19 June 2012:
* prog Pluto Parallel natal Asc, 3.2' applying
* prog Jupiter 19ARI14.7' opposite natal IC, 00'
- prog IC 21N39.1' Contra-parallel prog Venus, 2.6'

Became engaged to Amber Christmas Eve 2013:
* prog Pluto/r.5 19N50.3' natal Asc, 1.9' applying
- prog Jupiter 19ARI18 conj natal MC, 3.7' sep

May 2014 texts supposedly between Amber and Depp's assistant Stephen (progressions for the 15th):
* prog Pluto Parallel natal Asc, 1.6' applying
- prog IC/MC square natal Pluto, 00'
- prog Jupiter conjunct natal MC, 4.4' separating

Married Amber 3 Feb 2015:
* prog Pluto 19N49.4' Parallel natal Asc, 01' applying
- prog MC 10GEM18 <15°> natal Mercury, 2.6's
- prog Sun Quintile natal Mercury, 03's

Amber filed for divorce 23 May 2016.
* prog Pluto Parallel natal Asc, 00'*
- prog Saturn in 7th quincunx natal N.Node, 01'
- prog Mars semi-sex natal Mars, 03's
- prog Moon Contra-parallel prog Venus, 0.9'

Its will be 2020 before this Pluto progression parallel his Asc moves 0°04' away from it. There is an opportunity for personal transformation still remaining. I wish him renewal, healing, and happiness.

posted June 09, 2016 05:19 PM            

She has black Lilith conjunct her Jupiter in Pisces on Johnny's Chiron ( wounded healer) was she wounding or healing from her actions I would say wounding.
Devouring men for pleasure ?

The past eclipse was right there in Pisces and the moon cycles are about healing. This is the super ***** aspect.
And no woman with Lilith that strong in her chart is going to take abuse from a man. Mars was rx at the time.

posted June 09, 2016 06:03 PM            

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And no woman with Lilith that strong in her chart is going to take abuse from a man.

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I have a Moon/Pluto/Black Moon Lilith conjunction in the 8th house. A total of 5 planets in the 8th house and 3 in Scorpio. I have asteroid Lilith in Scorpio conjunct Uranus, which rules my AC. I was with an abusive man for years. It only got physical on a few occasions(I'm not excusing it, but it was not a common occurrence), but the emotional manipulation and mind games were ever present. Emotional abuse leaves scars that may never heal. In my opinion it leaves much more long term damage than physical abuse, although physical and emotional abuse usually go hand in hand. I'm an empath and would overlook and make excuses for his bad behavior because he grew up with two alcoholic and abusive parents. I understood that he had a bad childhood, and I thought my unconditional love could "fix" him. I was wrong. I have to own my codependency and wounded bird complex, and work on those issues. Only he can fix his behavior, it has to come from within.

Just because someone has Lilith strong in their chart doesn't mean that they cannot find themselves in abusive situations. They may even be drawn to them on some level, because of the power dynamics in the relationship.

posted June 10, 2016 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
Wow, that twitter she posted just as she met him is damning! Now she's dodging the depo and the lawyers admit she is haggling for more money to settle. Yeah, she's a victim.

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You should take a closer look at her solar return for the year.
Interesting T-square with Mars and bilk ( con artist) interesting since Stanhope claimed she was blackmailing Depp.

posted June 14, 2016 03:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:

I would think given your own experiences with manipulation and psychological abuse that you would be more understanding, and not jump to conclusions. I'm not taking sides about who is the victim and who is the perpetrator here, because there is no way for me to know. I seriously doubt that it's so black and white, and they probably both have their issues, which may be surfacing due to the dynamics of the relationship. It's crazy that people on either side are doing their bidding when they don't know these people.

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