posted June 03, 2016 04:48 PM            

I'm not saying everyone with this aspect is like this but it's interesting that most people are describing them as egomaniacs. Very true in her case, she cares only about herself.

posted June 03, 2016 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
I know a woman with this aspect. Scorpio Pluto opposite Taurus Sun 4* and Mercury 0*. She's a narcissist, compulsive liar and is extremely manipulative. She lies to everyone and cons them out of whatever she can by constantly playing a victim. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I'm not saying everyone with this aspect is like this but it's interesting that most people are describing them as egomaniacs. Very true in her case, she cares only about herself.

Hypatia, your description of this guy has a few keywords that might suggest he has Narcissitic Personality Disorder. These people are extremely manipulative to everyone they meet. They don't actually feel emotions the way most people do, but they are good at reading others and telling them what they want to hear. That's what the woman above does, and she fools most people. I immediately saw through it, but most don't until they've been burned by her.

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posted June 03, 2016 11:41 PM            

you know, i think it points often to their having experienced somebody who was very selfish or narcissistic in their early home life and they are just doing what they've been taught or shown to do to survive. If that helps any. My partner experienced daily abuse and volatility from his dad when he was young and is doing pretty good considering..

posted June 05, 2016 10:04 PM            

The answer (for me) will depend on the situation. Sometimes, I've been called controlling, other times I've been chided for being "saintlike" in the face of steamroller asshats. Moreover, I believe my behavior is likely more affected by my synastry aspects with the "other"person.

In a natal chart, an opposition signifies tension. The two planets can never get exactly on the same page. The resolution of the aspect in real life calls for balancing these two opposing forces. How this plays out in a native's life will depend very much on which signs and houses contain the planet.

The sun is your self-identity, the burning fire that makes you, "you." It will describe your natural reactions to the world and the people you come into contact with. For instance, I am an Aries. My sun is in the 3rd house. I am curious, energetic, impatient, distractible, excitable, ready to GO. Go where? Whichever way I'm facing. Since my sun is part of a stellium including my moon, mercury, pallas and chiron, a lot of my identity is tied up in perception of information, gathering information and sharing information. Only my Sun is within orb for an opposition to Pluto.

Pluto among other things signifies transformation and hidden riches. Transformation is "change" - on the innermost level, at extreme intensity. We all know how most people feel about changes, even if those changes are beneficial. I think this is why pluto gets such a bad rap.

My Pluto is in Virgo (intercepted), in the 8th house. The planet is what, the sign is how and the house is where. I will experience transformation of Virgo bits of myself (perfectionism, ideas related to serving others, attention to details, etc) whenever I deal with "other peoples' riches" - be it their body (sex), the money they left (inheritance) or the government's money (taxes). Other things fall under the 8th house umbrella, death, taxes, inheritance and sex are just keywords to remind you what the house deals with.

Since the 3rd house is below the horizon, it pertains to personal realizations. Things that I think, that I want, that I feel. The 8th house is above the horizon and pertains to relationships - how I experience dealings with others.

Aries is not known for being detail oriented. Virgo is. Aries crusades for others when in hero mode, always for an underdog, but less so in day to day service the way Virgo works. Aries is impulsive, Virgo would wait for more details before showing (indeed deciding upon) her hand.

What does this powerful opposition say about my life? I am challenged to create a balance between my urge to do whatever the hell I think up to do, the moment I think to of it. Sure, it seems right and my inner checklist has given me a "ALL SYSTEMS GO!" message, but .... I'm not always dealing with other Arian types. I deal with Virgos and Caps, and Cancers, etc. If I want to have mutually successful relationships, I must allow the other person to feel comfortable and confident in the way things proceed. At the same time, I must not simply bow to another's decision. My Sun purpose is to task me with doing only what is right and true for me. I cannot let another talk me into something I don't feel comfortable doing. Hence, the balance. I must stand up for my rights as an individual while allowing others to be equal in every way. I will face issues that force me to confront this challenge in 8th house scenarios.

SO --- I think the true answer to the original question is that the aspect does NOT make one controlling. Synastry might - and one's sun will oppose whole masses of people of a generation -- not just one. It may make them seem like a controlling person when in reality, they are just dealing with sun opp Pluto with tons and tons of people!

posted June 06, 2016 04:50 PM            

There is a need to be in control emotionally and in general and is easy for them to have people in the palm of their hands and to drop people easily without any guilt if they feel you are pushing for more balance in power in the relationship dynamic and you no longer fit the use they have for you or make them feel they are not 100% in control and are the king or queen in the relationship dynamic.

Now with my friend who is an aquarius he has sun square pluto but pluto does NOT aspect his mercury as well and with him I dont notice this pattern at all. He is obsessed with the occult although not astrology specifically and can have a negative outlook on life he struggles fighting. When we first kissed he was holding back big time and I told him that I needed a lot more than that, that I needed intensity and then we kissed again and I got that, is like he had difficulty accessing his pluto side bc of the square but I was able to push him and have him tap into it and it was wonderful.

posted June 06, 2016 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

There is a need to be in control emotionally and in general and is easy for them to have people in the palm of their hands and to drop people easily without any guilt if they feel you are pushing for a more balance in power in the relationship dynamic and you no longer fit the use they have for you or make them feel they are not 100% in control and are the throne in the relationship dynamic.

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