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Topic: Sun opposite Pluto Folks
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hypatia238
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posted June 01, 2016 04:56 PM
  
Do you need to be in control emotionally and on one hand crave intensity while simultaneously avoiding it in order to stay in control emotionally??Do you avoid emotional depth and just focus on yourself completely and what feels good to your ego?? How do you feel that Sun opposite Pluto affects you? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 02, 2016 12:14 PM
I know two people with this and I would say "yes" to your questions. Oh, I know another person who has this but Saturn and the Moon are in the mix and they are not ego-driven, if anything it's the opposite. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 02, 2016 12:29 PM
I know somebody with this aspect too (6.5 degrees opposition), and yeah he is very intense and always... or usually... trying to maintain control over the intensity. That much seems true. I have the conjunction (8 degrees wide). So in composite we have Sun square Pluto. It's hard to sort out who's being intense about what. We can't avoid it overall... though there are moments of calm and peace  IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted June 02, 2016 12:32 PM
I know a couple of women with the hard aspect and they all are egomaniacs, with a holier than thou attitude which bugs me every time. This aspect is great for males but females do not know how to work it out, it seems.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 02, 2016 12:47 PM
I quite like the ladies who have it. But some of them do have authority issues, moreso than "control freak" issues, in my experience.IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted June 02, 2016 01:20 PM
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Do you need to be in control emotionally and on one hand crave intensity while simultaneously avoiding it in order to stay in control emotionally??
Emotionally, yes, I do need to be in control. This is because I acknowledge that there is a time and a place for emotions and a time and place for intellectual thought. However, I tend to face intensity head-on without avoiding it unless the intensity is intense physical pain. I only avoid emotional matters if I have work to do. On the other hand, there is such thing as "too much" emotion. When I've had my fill of intensity I back off and do something more pleasurable. I have been known to make myself cry just for the sake of experiencing something besides utter boredom. quote:
Do you avoid emotional depth and just focus on yourself completely and what feels good to your ego?? How do you feel that Sun opposite Pluto affects you?
I do avoid emotional depth - in public. This is also true in private to some degree, but when I am alone I feel it is safer to be emotional. I am not comfortable with emotions even if I sometimes seek them out on purpose. Mainly I want to become comfortable with emotions but at the same time I feel held back by some imaginary barrier. The barrier may be the realm of logic, it may be Sun opposite Pluto, or it may be a complex issue rooted in childhood experiences. It could even be all three. I have found that some things cannot be answered by logic. This has been a recent acknowledgment. I'm in an in-between place where I'm still trying to understand how emotions work. Overall I avoid emotional intensity if I have things that need to get done.Sun opposite Pluto has a wide orb of 6 degrees. I am unsure of whether I count it or not, but Pluto is my chart ruler and it is also 6 degrees from my Ascendant. If we choose to count it, I'm still trying to figure out how the aspect manifests. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 02, 2016 01:42 PM
LOL  *whistles away egomaniacally*To be honest the holier than thou attitude is something i have had to contend with in myself and shall again, no doubt. Sun conjunct Pluto and Pluto=Sun/Asc midpoint. Pluto and Scorpio are about letting the power work through you--not trying to be the power (Isabel Hickey) Unless we learn that, as Pluto influenced people, we will tend to destroy ourselves through our inability to see the validity and importance of the experience of the other as it will be overshadowed by our personal hunger for power... which robs us of actual power I think ultimately... IP: Logged |
aquagembaby
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posted June 02, 2016 02:16 PM
I think Richard Ramirez had Sun opposite PlutoIP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted June 02, 2016 02:20 PM
My sister has this opposition. I think that it tends to make one clash with authority figures a lot.
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theunknown
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posted June 02, 2016 02:26 PM
I have the square. I know quite a lot of taurus sun with the opposition. They are more subtle but very strong. It's not in my experiences that they have issues with authority figures more so than anyone else but they do attempt to put challenge themselves and sometimes that comes with a price.I think problem with authorities really depend on house placement. IP: Logged |
whaaat
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posted June 02, 2016 03:49 PM
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hypatia238
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From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode
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posted June 02, 2016 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
LOL *whistles away egomaniacally*To be honest the holier than thou attitude is something i have had to contend with in myself and shall again, no doubt. Sun conjunct Pluto and Pluto=Sun/Asc midpoint. Pluto and Scorpio are about letting the power work through you--not trying to be the power (Isabel Hickey) Unless we learn that, as Pluto influenced people, we will tend to destroy ourselves through our inability to see the validity and importance of the experience of the other as it will be overshadowed by our personal hunger for power... which robs us of actual power I think ultimately...
Yungang I am confident that sun conjunct pluto plays out very different from sun opposite pluto; both come with their challenges perhaps but I am thinking the challenges are different. I think sun conjunct pluto seeks out intensity and does not avoid it but seeks it out and perhaps has a hard time finding that type of transformative relationship/encounter that they are very aware they want. Sun opposite pluto I feel is a lot more complex and gets more tricky.... IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted June 02, 2016 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Lerena:
[QUOTE][b]Do you need to be in control emotionally and on one hand crave intensity while simultaneously avoiding it in order to stay in control emotionally??
Emotionally, yes, I do need to be in control. This is because I acknowledge that there is a time and a place for emotions and a time and place for intellectual thought. However, I tend to face intensity head-on without avoiding it unless the intensity is intense physical pain. I only avoid emotional matters if I have work to do. On the other hand, there is such thing as "too much" emotion. When I've had my fill of intensity I back off and do something more pleasurable. I have been known to make myself cry just for the sake of experiencing something besides utter boredom. quote:
Do you avoid emotional depth and just focus on yourself completely and what feels good to your ego?? How do you feel that Sun opposite Pluto affects you?
I do avoid emotional depth - in public. This is also true in private to some degree, but when I am alone I feel it is safer to be emotional. I am not comfortable with emotions even if I sometimes seek them out on purpose. Mainly I want to become comfortable with emotions but at the same time I feel held back by some imaginary barrier. The barrier may be the realm of logic, it may be Sun opposite Pluto, or it may be a complex issue rooted in childhood experiences. It could even be all three. I have found that some things cannot be answered by logic. This has been a recent acknowledgment. I'm in an in-between place where I'm still trying to understand how emotions work. Overall I avoid emotional intensity if I have things that need to get done.Sun opposite Pluto has a wide orb of 6 degrees. I am unsure of whether I count it or not, but Pluto is my chart ruler and it is also 6 degrees from my Ascendant. If we choose to count it, I'm still trying to figure out how the aspect manifests.[/B][/QUOTE] Lerena thanks a lot for your contribution and btw great insight. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 02, 2016 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yungang I am confident that sun conjunct pluto plays out very different from sun opposite pluto; both come with their challenges perhaps but I am thinking the challenges are different.I think sun conjunct pluto seeks out intensity and does not avoid it but seeks it out and perhaps has a hard time finding that type of transformative relationship/encounter that they are very aware they want. Sun opposite pluto I feel is a lot more complex and gets more tricky....
Agreed. I should have been clear and quoted Orange; she said "women with the hard aspect" which I took to mean any of them, and identified a bit with the megalomania potential quotient lol... but yes totally i agree with you. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted June 02, 2016 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
I know a couple of women with the hard aspect and they all are egomaniacs, with a holier than thou attitude which bugs me every time. This aspect is great for males but females do not know how to work it out, it seems.
The person I have in mind when you first see him you think he could be stuck up but he is actually down to earth...but what I do notice is that he is very hedonistic and stuck in his hedonistic lifestyle and uses that in essence to avoid deep bonding and emotional depth and retain complete control of his emotions. He says he can't feel but likes it when he is able to feel deeply yet his habits and lifestyle is built upon avoiding deep emotions so in essence I think he has created barriers to avoid getting hurt but is he not fully aware of this personality paradox he has. His moon in Capricorn reinforces this. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted June 02, 2016 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Agreed. I should have been clear and quoted Orange; she said "women with the hard aspect" which I took to mean any of them, and identified a bit with the megalomania potential quotient lol... but yes totally i agree with you.
man its hard to picture you as megalomania lol, you seem so down to earth online... IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted June 02, 2016 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I know two people with this and I would say "yes" to your questions. Oh, I know another person who has this but Saturn and the Moon are in the mix and they are not ego-driven, if anything it's the opposite.
Thanks Doux Rêve, is always nice when you pop in and share your input. IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted June 02, 2016 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Agreed. I should have been clear and quoted Orange; she said "women with the hard aspect" which I took to mean any of them, and identified a bit with the megalomania potential quotient lol... but yes totally i agree with you.
I also should have pointed out that Scoprios handle Pluto much better than anyone else, so Scorpio women wouldnt be struggling that much dealing with Pluto on their Sun. The pressure will still be there but Scorpio women own it.
Other signs thou, not such luck. More often than not, they blow it.
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Piscean Tigress
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posted June 02, 2016 11:31 PM
I feel intensively and I easily can loose emotional control (I blame to this to other opposition). I really love emotional depth even in a friendship, all superficial issues bother me to dead, and I walk away of this situation and never return. I recognize that I can be a little manipulative, and in this sense, I can be a little egomaniac, If I'm loosing that matters to me, but as Pisces Sun, I hate sometimes this behavior if the people around me can be hurt by this, and I regret. I agree with the clash with autority figures (male in my case) a lot; since I was a Child. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted June 02, 2016 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by Piscean Tigress:
I feel intensively and I easily can loose emotional control (I blame to this to other opposition). I really love emotional depth even in a friendship, all superficial issues bother me to dead, and I walk away of this situation and never return. I recognize that I can be a little manipulative, and in this sense, I can be a little egomaniac, If I'm loosing that matters to me, but as Pisces Sun, I hate sometimes this behavior if the people around me can be hurt by this, and I regret.
Yeah but don't you have a very plutonic moon love?? IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted June 02, 2016 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
LOL *whistles away egomaniacally*To be honest the holier than thou attitude is something i have had to contend with in myself and shall again, no doubt. Sun conjunct Pluto and Pluto=Sun/Asc midpoint. Pluto and Scorpio are about letting the power work through you--not trying to be the power (Isabel Hickey) Unless we learn that, as Pluto influenced people, we will tend to destroy ourselves through our inability to see the validity and importance of the experience of the other as it will be overshadowed by our personal hunger for power... which robs us of actual power I think ultimately...
Nicely put! Deep girl, love it. IP: Logged |
Piscean Tigress
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posted June 02, 2016 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yeah but don't you have a very plutonic moon love??
Hypatia238 My moon (gemini) in loosely trine pluto (virgo, out of sign, 7° orb); so I think this influence is subtle. My moon is opposite Neptune and Asc (3° orb), so this why I blame my poor emotional control sometimes
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hypatia238
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posted June 02, 2016 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Piscean Tigress:
I feel intensively and I easily can loose emotional control (I blame to this to other opposition). I really love emotional depth even in a friendship, all superficial issues bother me to dead, and I walk away of this situation and never return. I recognize that I can be a little manipulative, and in this sense, I can be a little egomaniac, If I'm loosing that matters to me, but as Pisces Sun, I hate sometimes this behavior if the people around me can be hurt by this, and I regret. I agree with the clash with autority figures (male in my case) a lot; since I was a Child.
Interesting maybe your Pisces sun since is a water sign embraces the Pluto side of the opposition more and so in your case you attract sun dominant types bc you are embracing the Pluto part of the opposition...just brainstorming..
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Piscean Tigress
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posted June 03, 2016 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting maybe your Pisces sun since is a water sign embraces the Pluto side of the opposition more and so in your case you attract sun dominant types bc you are embracing the Pluto part of the opposition...just brainstorming..
You are amazing right Hypatia; always my relationships have plutonic issues (possessiveness, jealousy), with guys with strong Pluto (Sun, Asc). I can´t run out of it, it's like karma" but I learn to go with it  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 03, 2016 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
man its hard to picture you as megalomania lol, you seem so down to earth online...
Ah I've reined it in a lot since i was a teenager! Thank you ... It was a problem back then for sure i think... self absorption.. I love waking up to the reality of other people's experiences every day.. my study of astrology has been a long journey in truly honouring other people. I find i get more and more joy every day the more open i become to other people's awesomeness... IP: Logged |
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