posted August 30, 2016 04:35 PM            

On the one hand,I do want harmony and coming together.But since its in Mars,it seems like I also enjoy some tension and sparks too.

So on one hand I want peace.But I can turn around and argue(Mars)

With Venus in Scorpio,I do appreciate beauty.But my idea of beauty tends towards more the dark and so called "forbidden" or dangerous.

I sometimes think that certain energy in certain planetary placements kind of works "overtime" and can be quite taxing.

I can just imagine someone with Jupiter in Gemini opposing Mercury in Sag. Or Mars in Virgo inconjunct Mercury in Aries..yikes!

posted August 30, 2016 05:19 PM            

I always worry about what I "could be" and can't accept the value in "who I am". I can't be happy with the present because I'm always stuck in the past or thinking about my future. I don't feel as unique and original as I should be and often I put myself down because it feels like I'm forced to be compared to the performance of others.

I wish I could just stop worrying SO MUCH about how others are feeling. It's like this subconcious need to please others that I conciously HATE with a passion, and it's something I want to eliminate yet can't seem to. I feel like my Scorpio Ascendant doesn't come out right and I'm too nice, something that could be attributed to a Libra Ascendant even though I resonate more with Scorpio.

All in all, being an Aquarius Sun isn't as great as it is made out to be. Even now I'm putting myself down (do you see this?).

posted August 30, 2016 06:15 PM            

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Being an Aquarius Sun isn't easy. People like to prop this sun placement as a sign of spiritual rebirth in this time and age, well I feel like I always have to worry about how others are feeling and tend to worry if I "annoyed" them or did something that upset them, which I can get insecure about. What makes me even more angry about it is that it feels like it just naturally takes place and I have no control over this type of response, something my Scorpio Ascendant and Mars scream in pure rage at.

I always worry about what I "could be" and can't accept the value in "who I am". I can't be happy with the present because I'm always stuck in the past or thinking about my future. I don't feel as unique and original as I should be and often I put myself down because it feels like I'm forced to be compared to the performance of others.

I wish I could just stop worrying SO MUCH about how others are feeling. It's like this subconcious need to please others that I conciously HATE with a passion, and it's something I want to eliminate yet can't seem to. I feel like my Scorpio Ascendant doesn't come out right and I'm too nice, something that could be attributed to a Libra Ascendant even though I resonate more with Scorpio.

All in all, being an Aquarius Sun isn't as great as it is made out to be. Even now I'm putting myself down (do you see this?).

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posted August 30, 2016 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I have Jupiter in Virgo if that counts. I'm not sure what to say about it. I definitely have to work for what I want, but that doesn't seem to bother me. Maybe I'm luckier than the typical Jupiter in Virgo. That could be it.

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I think with Jupiter in Virgo, if you didn't do Virgo things in the correct way, then it would take a huge toll on you. My sister has Jupiter in Virgo and she never tries to be clean and her room is a disaster area. It's never clean, it's always a pigsty, she can't stop bad habits because she never tries to stop and/or has a lot of trouble getting over them and etc.

posted August 30, 2016 10:47 PM            

I have mars in taurus, no issue with drive or taking action. But then again, it trine my asc and my chart ruler.

I do enjoy sparks and tension, yeah. If it gets too quiet, I'll want to shake the boat a little. I have always thought it was my moon conjunct eris that did it.

posted August 30, 2016 11:09 PM            

*With this sign placement, I don't like fighting. But I'm not meek. I can stand up for myself and others, but I feel like I shouldn't have to in the first place.
*Injustice and unfairness make me mad in general. When people don't include others, don't understand the concept of balance/sharing, or even consider how other people may be feeling- this can really rattle me up. When I'M behaving selfishly I can also be mad at myself.
*A downside is that I sometimes tend to zig-zag my way to the finish line (what I want). I'll take like 3 steps forward and then 5 back, then two forward, and then I'll go sit and contemplate life for a while before I get moving again.

posted August 31, 2016 12:04 AM              

Honestly, though.. I don't feel like it justifies the "fall" position.
Everyone has trouble with romance and love at some point.

What's wrong about being selective about who we give our heart to? Would you rather we throw it around and not care about what makes you special? Or what's wrong with helping loved ones out & being there for them in real ways rather than making grand promises and not following through (now that would be a detriment for love, lol).

I see a lot written about 'nit-picking' with this placement.. We even had some threads on here about it. Would a partner who has your best interests at heart not want you to shine in every way? I guess sometimes it goes into the "nit-picking" rather than "helpful strategising" - which is bound to bug people, agreed. But yeah, we don't mean to. We just want to protect you from the world, that will tell you the same thing, ten times cruel-er.

On the plus side, being so annoying about "details" can also lead to us knowing a lot about you that you might consider inconsequential. But to us, it's not. To us, your twitch of an eyebrow is worth noticing.

You know how great it feels to have something custom-made for you, instead of buying the mass-produced stuff? Well, relationship experiences with Venus Virgo will be custom-made for you. Ain't so bad, it it?

Venus Virgo affection is genuine, non-flashy, hard-earned, but equally hard to get rid of.
What's not to love?

posted August 31, 2016 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
^ (I can imagine people throwing rotten tomatoes at me from the audience).

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* Throws Flowers *

posted August 31, 2016 01:15 AM            

So my chart ruler is detriment.

posted August 31, 2016 04:31 AM            

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* Throws Flowers *

I agree! It's a lovely placement

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I throw flowers too.

posted August 31, 2016 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
^ Virgo Venus is in it's fall, not detriment.

Honestly, though.. I don't feel like it justifies the "fall" position.
Everyone has trouble with romance and love at some point.

What's wrong about being selective about who we give our heart to? Would you rather we throw it around and not care about what makes you special? Or what's wrong with helping loved ones out & being there for them in real ways rather than making grand promises and not following through (now that would be a detriment for love, lol).

I see a lot written about 'nit-picking' with this placement.. We even had some threads on here about it. Would a partner who has your best interests at heart not want you to shine in every way? I guess sometimes it goes into the "nit-picking" rather than "helpful strategising" - which is bound to bug people, agreed. But yeah, we don't mean to. We just want to protect you from the world, that will tell you the same thing, ten times cruel-er.

On the plus side, being so annoying about "details" can also lead to us knowing a lot about you that you might consider inconsequential. But to us, it's not. To us, your twitch of an eyebrow is worth noticing.

You know how great it feels to have something custom-made for you, instead of buying the mass-produced stuff? Well, relationship experiences with Venus Virgo will be custom-made for you. Ain't so bad, it it?

Venus Virgo affection is genuine, non-flashy, hard-earned, but equally hard to get rid of.
What's not to love?

(I can imagine people throwing rotten tomatoes at me from the audience).

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posted August 31, 2016 12:12 PM            

I like my Venus. It's fun, playful, and helps motivate me to go after what I want. Of course I can be a bit rash and selfish in romance sometimes, but overall I like it.

posted August 31, 2016 01:58 PM            

I also really don't believe in "detriment". And that is why I put it in quotation marks.

But I think the word that I am looking for here is a difference in approach that takes the long route.But in the process therein, uncovers so much that enriches.

Sometimes the Venus in Aries more direct approach certainly clears things up in what one needs in romantic relationships and love. Maybe in a non-apologetic way...but why dawdle around when your goal is clear?

This placement speaks of one who gets their hearts desires -because the intent is so clear...

I also greatly admirer the Capricorn Moons ability to be steadfast in approach and not let emotional whims sway them back and forth.

There can be so much achieved when feelings are not at odds and the motive to act is lost in translation.

posted August 31, 2016 08:25 PM              

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I agree! It's a lovely placement

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posted August 31, 2016 08:27 PM              

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Virgo Venus is lovely. I'm sure it's hard for the native though, hence why it's in 'fall', because they are so giving of themselves in practical ways without any promise of reciprocity. As mentioned above, they are DO-ers, and aren't ones to make false promises and never deliver.

Who wouldn't want to have someone offer to iron their shirt if they see you're running late or volunteer to pick something up for dinner if you're not feeling well? They love in meaningful, helpful ways.

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Bingo - hard for the native, that's probably where it earns its "fall" position.

Scorp venus is also no picnic -- hence, detriment. However fantastic it may be to be loved by a Scorp venus, *being* a Scorp venus is a whole other story..

@Aries23Degrees,
I know what you mean.. I've always envied Cap moon folks for that! Can you imagine how much more they get *done* by just being themselves? Man, if I could trade it for mine, I'd be more consistently productive (I imagine).

posted September 02, 2016 02:07 AM            

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Wouldn't Venus in Scorpio and Mars in Libra benefit from mutual reception though? Each placement is swapped in the other's natural ruler.

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This theory i have explored extensively to see its practical application ime.

I can find(again ime) no tangible proof that Mars is assisted by Venus and Venus by Mars in any way beneficial

What i see is Mars being expressed in a "Venusian" way(Libra). So as is customary with Mars in air, the words(air) are sharp and cutting(Mars).

The not so evolved part of this placement has nasty insults disguized in such elborate ways that if you dont discern the difference, you may never really know that the person is being sly and undermining you secretly.

I think of it as an aspect that is akeen to what one may call a "frenemy". You love to exchange insults with the individual but do it in such a way that others around you may not understand the real relationship between the two of you.

One such relation i had where this harshness and nastiness played out fully, was with a Leo sun, Mars in Libra. It got so bad that a physical altercation ensued

They also say that a planet in detriment can be "saved" or assisted if it aspects a planet in its dignity. Sort of like the planet "lends" its vast resources to assist in good faith etc.

Jupiter in Sag sextile Mars in my case. So perhaps this negates the negative expression of Mars? The nastiness and hostility all under pretenses and niceties? I cant say for sure. But it does make me an advocate for the underdog.

Venus in Scorpio has manifested as having a fixaton with fetishes and the beauty of things that are termed "grotesque" or "ugly" etc. Or perhaps the association with pain (emotional or physical) as part of pleasure(Venus)

When i was younger, i tended to fall inlove with people that were using me for sex or pleasure. Mostly emotionally closed off or unavailable etc.

I realized that i had a fixation for pain when i met a Venus in Pisces whom i disappointed and hurt badly due to my obsession with the sensation of hurt.

I pushed them right out of my life , just to beg them back. And on the merry go round we went until they(Pisces Venus) couldnt deal with it anymore. To which i cried foul. But my cries were never soothed.

There was a need to atleast "battle" in love or atleast sexualize romance and affection a lot i.e you give me a hug,i get aroused and want to go "all the way" etc.

posted September 02, 2016 02:25 AM            

A good example is Roger Federer
Moon in Scorpio - fall
Venus in Virgo - fall
Mars in Cancer - fall

posted September 02, 2016 03:11 AM            

But i think what is meant here is subjective inner feelings and not necessarily strictly external manifestation.

Yes, externally Roger Federer is doing well and winning championships. But we dont known about what is going on within him.How his domestic envitonment is etc.

It is assumed that planets in their dignity have less resistance in expressing themselves and therefore the vibrational frequency is less cluttered. Add to that the health benefits and overall well-being etc.

Matthew Goode(whose Asc is unknown to me) seems to be so chilled, pristine and serene to me. And i was really suprised to find that he has Sun in Aries and Mars in the "fall" sign of Cancer.

But he also has Venus in Taurus 0 degree mark. And his chart has a total of 13 trine/sextile aspects.So perhaps that is where all that "all is well with the world " energy stems from? Because a trine and sextile energy perceives no external resistance?

It may be what i see but perhaps internally when he is dealing with Mars in Cancer, it could be an entirely differing story. One which he cannot objectively assess is to his "detriment", only frought with less ease of expression because he does perceive an inner push/pull ?

posted September 02, 2016 07:33 AM            

however, if mercury in gemini is without any aspect that change change somehow the expression of the energy, it will most likely mimetize the archetype of hermes, the trickster, etc. but if we think in terms of what we consider better way of communication, processing of information and learning, mercury in gemini is very quick but scattered.is that what you want when pursuing a degree in academic research? maybe is not enough.