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Faith
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posted September 28, 2016 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 28, 2016 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if we are merely individually from the rest of astrologily talking about angles,

then just as 12 N is a similar angle to 13 N, then the same goes for the angle made between 0.5 N and 0.5 S.

they are making a similar angle.

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posted September 28, 2016 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I appreciate you talking this out with me, soren.

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posted September 28, 2016 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NP. As i said when your moon does get aspected its much more powerful of an aspect then say one person have saturn 12 north and different person having mercury 12 N


When you get your moon aspected by anything around 1 N to 1 S, its still getting much more strongly aspected then the previous persons mentioned.

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posted September 28, 2016 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Something besides the synastry of declinations that you should be glad to hear: it is special to have any body positioned at 0 degrees declination as I read somewhere the person told that the influence of that body in the person's life would be remarkable. A special association to that planet. I myself have Ceres here. Although its 52 Minutes south.

Its similar to the horizon. Its like a ring. and anything conjunct the horizon (ascendent) is also powerful.

Its just the horizon and celestial ring/equator are much more rarely conjunct anything.

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posted September 28, 2016 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That would be nice if my moon weren't in 8H Pisces, a creepy position.

Does your Ceres feel special? What's it about?

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posted September 28, 2016 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
since i was focusing on it i might have pin pointed what its energy was. i might be delusional though. then again im pretty sure i've pin pointed my pluto since its square my sun and it feels like a very umm self concious nervousness and fear of waht others think when im tuning into it more strongly (without trying , just happens uncontrollably, this was when my ascnednet was square pluto exact so that is probably why i had a profound sensitivity to this minor planet)

the above experience was more so when my ascendent was squaring pluto exactly. my sun square pluto is more like a strong ability to control how others percieve me. say the right words. delete something that wont make me sound accurate. control

hm... but if my time of what i thought i was sensing ceres was correct, see i dont like believing that the mere name of something is what it actually entails, because i believe there is a true metaphysical/quantum physical effect from the planets,

anyway i read somewhere that someone once described ceres as quite beneficial and feels similarily to a combination of jupiter, venus, and the moon.

it feels very positive and good energy flow but depends on the signs its in.

i cant really describe what it is because its just pure energy but when i read someone on this forum from a couple years ago (well i stumbled upon something that was posted a couple years before i read it) anyway, when i read their description, i was like yeah it kinda was like that.

at the time i believed i was pin pointing both ceres and pluto, pluto was like this faint evil stream that i couldnt escape. i didnt want to be feeling it but i was forced to. felt unnatural. I guess its from the exact square to progressed ascendent and 3 d square to sun.

what i felt ceres was like a pulsating powerful boulder in my mind and it was very positive

To add for your clarity of my understanding of how the planets feel: if ceres was as powerful as a pulsating energy boulder that it felt like, then Mars is the pacific ocean. perhaps. Eh maybe not quite that big lol. but still an ocean that

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posted September 28, 2016 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:

So my conclusion is, planets at 0° form aspects less often than planets at higher degrees, at least until a planet goes out of bounds.


Yes, that is correct, partly because when planets are nearer the celestial equator (0 degrees declination) they change declination more quickly; as they near extremes of declination (22-23 degrees) they change declination more slowly. So a planet (sun, merc, venus, mars) might spend days between 1 south and 1 north as it ascends, but weeks between 22 & 23 north.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, that is correct, partly because when planets are nearer the celestial equator (0 degrees declination) they change declination more quickly; as they near extremes of declination (22-23 degrees) they change declination more slowly. So a planet (sun, merc, venus, mars) might spend days between 1 south and 1 north as it ascends, but weeks between 22 & 23 north.


Thank you so, so much.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think they are called "parallel" when they are side by side geometrically (like two vertical lines) but called something else when they are parallel horizontally (two horizontal lines): the term becomes "contraparallel" even though they are geometrically parallel.

I interpret such planets as parallel. They are not in a state of separation, but proximity.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
soren, I love your description above.

Is your Ceres in Pisces?

Because that was a kind of non-descript description.

Edit: Oh I see you added more. Thank you

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posted September 28, 2016 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scorpio in the 9th. its within the first 2.5 d of scorp so scorp duad as well. anything in the first 2.5 d has more pure form of expression as its the same sign as itself in the duad. simpler. more powerful maybe

Using my new houses (equator with the ecliptic) it also puts my ceres in the first 2 degrees of the 10th. so it would be capricorn with cap duad. if my house system is true.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
scorpio in the 9th. its within the first 2.5 d of scorp so scorp duad as well. anything in the first 2.5 d has more pure form of expression as its the same sign as itself in the duad. simpler. more powerful maybe

Interesting

I've felt that my 0 Leo Saturn, Rx, is actually weaker in Leo energy because it only dipped its foot into the sign and pulled back.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Interesting

I've felt that my 0 Leo Saturn, Rx, is actually weaker in Leo energy because it only dipped its foot into the sign and pulled back.


That's not my experience with my progressed (moved 2 hours after birth) 0.00 D Aquarius Saturn. Pure energy of "thoughts" and "thinking". Pure aquarius.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Interesting

I've felt that my 0 Leo Saturn, Rx, is actually weaker in Leo energy because it only dipped its foot into the sign and pulled back.


When did it pull back faith? if its after 11 hours form when you were born, using primary directions, for your whole life its still in Leo. But thats your own belief and choice if you want to believe in primary directions or day for a year method.

Either way your natal is still having the leo energy very strongly. Natal is the strongest its a reflrection for your entire life time.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I interpret such planets as parallel. They are not in a state of separation, but proximity.


*sigh*

What I've been trying to say.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I interpret such planets as parallel. They are not in a state of separation, but proximity.


So is Kannon agreeing with me? :O

woohoo

0.5 S is in the aproximity of being parralel to 0.5 N

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posted September 28, 2016 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
So is Kannon agreeing with me? :O

woohoo

0.5 S is in the aproximity of being parralel to 0.5 N


*sigh*

Yes. This was my original point that I've edited out in all of my posts.
Curse of my chart. Sh*t communication skills.

ETA: I'll just add to this post rather than bumping an old issue, thus drawing unnecessary attention.
I do apologize that I barged into a thread that is a callout.

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posted September 28, 2016 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
*sigh*

Yes. This was my original point that I've edited out in all of my posts.
Curse of my chart. Sh*t communication skills.


Nah your communication is good you just dont feel like you've expressed enough or made a profound destinctive point

NVM i checked out the post K was responding too. he was stating about something else in his response. didnt really understand that whole post but i dont think he was saying 0.5 N is prralell to 0.5 S.

although i'd say it was. its making a similar angle.

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posted September 28, 2016 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, that is correct, partly because when planets are nearer the celestial equator (0 degrees declination) they change declination more quickly; as they near extremes of declination (22-23 degrees) they change declination more slowly. So a planet (sun, merc, venus, mars) might spend days between 1 south and 1 north as it ascends, but weeks between 22 & 23 north.

Just found this declination graph:


http://cafeastrology.com/declinations.html

So I see that anyone born in November with the moon at 0° will not have any planets aspecting it in declination. It's apparent here that the higher the degree, the more likely it is that the moon will be parallel or contraparallel at least one other planet.

@soren

That link has this quote about planets at 0 °:

quote:
There is a special time when the planet is at Zero. This is when they are neither up or down from the celestial equator (the middle line in the graph). This is a time when the planet is going to be strong and the principles of that planet will be emphasized.

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posted September 28, 2016 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
When did it pull back faith? if its after 11 hours form when you were born, using primary directions, for your whole life its still in Leo. But thats your own belief and choice if you want to believe in primary directions or day for a year method.

Went Rx almost 2 months before I was born, at 2°59 Leo.

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That's not my experience with my progressed (moved 2 hours after birth) 0.00 D Aquarius Saturn. Pure energy of "thoughts" and "thinking". Pure aquarius.

I can't tell, 12H Leo Saturn is kind of weird to me. Not pure Leo at all. Clouded, heavy Leo.

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posted September 29, 2016 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
Less common to make either a contraparallel or either a parallal aspect individually, but more powerful when either aspect is made, as it will make both when it does occur, yet it happens twice as much for any indiivdual either parralell or contraparrell,but it half as powerful, which ultimately equates to Equal energy if you ran into a lot of people in your life and met

Yes, it`s practically a "double aspect", struck me yesterday, too, though I probably will stick to the familiar astrological terminology.

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posted September 29, 2016 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
Less common to make either a contraparallel or either a parallal aspect individually, but more powerful when either aspect is made, as it will make both when it does occur, yet it happens twice as much for any indiivdual either parralell or contraparrell,but it half as powerful, which ultimately equates to Equal energy if you ran into a lot of people in your life and met

Yes, it`s practically a "double aspect", struck me yesterday, too, though I probably will stick to the familiar astrological terminology.

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posted September 29, 2016 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW the fact that there is a quicker change at lower declinations is the reason Charles Jayne and others proposed a sliding orb for the declinations, not a static one. over 1 degree near the equator until just minutes of orb in high declinations.

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