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Topic: Sun Square Saturn In the Natal
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 73587 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 06, 2016 08:08 PM
Sun Square Saturn In the Natal I am finishing up my questions. Lord, I will never ask for questions again. Just kidding!
The Sun is the essential identity of a native. That is why one can guess Sun Signs. My essential identity is Gemini, even though my heart is Cancer. My Sun is Gemini. My Moon is Cancer. Now, with Saturn, we have a COOLING of what it touches. When in trine, this can be excellent. Saturn disciplines. Saturn plans ahead. Saturn tells one to eat his peas before his desert. Saturn tells one to study, so one can find a good job after college. Saturn tells one not to drink too much, so one does not make a fool of oneself. Saturn in trine is a wonderful gift! Saturn in square may torment the native. Saturn may whisper the worst fears. Saturn may tell the person that he will never amount to anything. That which was life giving in trine, may be life destroying in square. If the ego is not destroyed, it may be subjected to severe battering. The square, also, indicates a father whom it may have been impossible to please. The pain of this may be pushed down deeply. The native may not experience the original pain as he grows up, but he have have a constant kind of depression, based on feelings that he could never properly measure up. IP: Logged |
Mystic_Cat Knowflake Posts: 721 From: Southwest, Uk Registered: Jan 2014
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posted November 06, 2016 08:40 PM
I have this ... 6th house Sun/Mercury in Sagittarius both square 9th house Saturn in Pisces .. :d Plus Saturn in Pisces is the ruler of my Moon/Netpune/Uranus in Capricorn, adds to self-doubt lol IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 06, 2016 09:13 PM
I find Sun square Saturn individuals to be somewhat lacking in integrity. This is their challenge to become a person of great integrity. IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 06, 2016 09:15 PM
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PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 06, 2016 09:20 PM
Sun trine saturn would naturally display highest integrity. IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 1021 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted November 06, 2016 10:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor: I find Sun square Saturn individuals to be somewhat lacking in integrity. This is their challenge to become a person of great integrity.
Sorry but I respectfully disagree. Integrity: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness Saturn is discipline, ambition, achievement, karma Sun is your essence. Your inner light. When sun squares saturn, you take a blow to that inner light, doubting if anything you do is worthy. You try harder to be a good person because you know the effects of saturns karma, but these natives arent lacking in integrity. If anything, the lack is in confidence. The challenge is to believe in themselves. IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Knowflake Posts: 2406 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 07, 2016 03:32 PM
Exactly, it's not that they dont t have it, they are just not born with it, they have to work to achieve integrity. Usually they will be brought up in a family or culture strict in religion or moral principles, rules, so a stern environment helps to installs moral principles. The square is about conscious integrity. I feel. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa unregistered
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posted November 07, 2016 05:23 PM
Agree with bananaz. And I know some Cap suns who lack integrity, a Sun trine Saturn who lacks it. I think Ami is right in saying Saturn cools what it touches, but this cooling will chafe at the native with the square whereas the native with the trine will find it more comfortable or natural to be that way. Saturn was actually a deceptive planet way back when. IP: Logged |
Lerena Knowflake Posts: 1376 From: Registered: May 2015
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posted November 07, 2016 10:17 PM
Is Sun square Saturn always a difficult aspect? I won't pretend my life has been "easy," but I don't really identify with the description of this square and this is one of the tightest aspects in my natal chart. Even when I Google search the aspect I only find descriptions that make it sound as if it's always going to be difficult for the person that has it and I don't think this is necessarily true.I just think that with this square I have to work harder to get where I want to be, which doesn't really bother me. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 73587 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 08, 2016 08:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lerena: Is Sun square Saturn always a difficult aspect? I won't pretend my life has been "easy," but I don't really identify with the description of this square and this is one of the tightest aspects in my natal chart. Even when I Google search the aspect I only find descriptions that make it sound as if it's always going to be difficult for the person that has it and I don't think this is necessarily true.I just think that with this square I have to work harder to get where I want to be, which doesn't really bother me.
You may have things that mitigate the square, Lerena. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Electro DGX Moderator Posts: 2176 From: Mars Registered: Jul 2015
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posted November 08, 2016 09:01 AM
I would have Sun square Saturn if Saturn was in Taurus, but thanks to it being in late Aries instead the orb is too wide (9 degrees). I have a friend with an exact conjunction though and I have more integrity than she does honestly. She has honesty issues. I think that with Saturn though, they have to realize that their the only reason they're being held back; they're building their own walls that limit their own abilities. ------------------ Scorpio Ascendant Aquarius Sun in 4th Gemini Moon in 8th Check out my blog ya'll: www.electrodgxtalks.wordpress.com IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 2496 From: Into the wormhole on Saturn's ring Registered: Jul 2016
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posted November 08, 2016 09:49 AM
do you believe that 12 degrees an orb is too wide to be considered a square with the sun and saturn 3 signs away (naturally square signs) given the fact that both the sun and saturn are huge bodiesfor instance sun at 19 cancer and saturn at 7 libra IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Moderator Posts: 2176 From: Mars Registered: Jul 2015
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posted November 08, 2016 10:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul: do you believe that 12 degrees an orb is too wide to be considered a square with the sun and saturn 3 signs away (naturally square signs) given the fact that both the sun and saturn are huge bodiesfor instance sun at 19 cancer and saturn at 7 libra
I think that is personally too wide to be a square. The max I usually go for a square is eight degrees; some people go even lower than that. If you still feel like some sort of Saturn influence is there check out other Saturn influences in your chart. I've heard of 12 degrees for a conjunction (albeit quite weak of a conjunction), but not for a square. ------------------ Scorpio Ascendant Aquarius Sun in 4th Gemini Moon in 8th Check out my blog ya'll: www.electrodgxtalks.wordpress.com IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 73587 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 08, 2016 10:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul: do you believe that 12 degrees an orb is too wide to be considered a square with the sun and saturn 3 signs away (naturally square signs) given the fact that both the sun and saturn are huge bodiesfor instance sun at 19 cancer and saturn at 7 libra
Yes, my Friend, 12 would be too wide.
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racole12 Knowflake Posts: 1157 From: the world is my home! Registered: Feb 2010
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posted November 09, 2016 09:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor: I find Sun square Saturn individuals to be somewhat lacking in integrity. This is their challenge to become a person of great integrity.
I disagree with this too and I haven't had to work on it either. Integrity, standards, morals have always been high, unfortunately. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 2496 From: Into the wormhole on Saturn's ring Registered: Jul 2016
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posted November 09, 2016 09:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Yes, my Friend, 12 would be too wide.
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Yanmorg unregistered
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posted November 10, 2016 12:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor: I find Sun square Saturn individuals to be somewhat lacking in integrity. This is their challenge to become a person of great integrity.
I disagree with this statement and actually take offense to it because this is, in fact, my nature. We have the utmost integrity. It is at my core. This is what keeps me going when life seems unkind. Knowing I was honest and true to myself, got me through a lot of disappointments. I WAS born with it. I have Sun square Saturn 4 degrees and Moon trine Saturn 1 degree. IP: Logged |
8ofHearts Knowflake Posts: 170 From: CA Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 03, 2020 12:18 AM
Yeah, I also disagree Sun square Saturn lacks integrity. I was born with Sun conjunct Pluto & ASC all early in the 1st, Saturn in 10th conj the MC & South Node squaring ALL that jazz in the 1st and I have never lacked integrity. Even as a little kid, no one had to tell me right from wrong. Saturn making a tense or hard aspect to the Sun means you are treated waaaaay too harshly as a kid (like an adult) and one or both parents or circumstances puts way too much pressure on you so you grow up fast. That can cause anxiety & also health problems because it is really too much but you learn and it becomes easier as you get older. Some people get their lessons later, this is an aspect that forces you to get it out of the way early. My parents were very hard workers. (My Mom has Saturn opposite her own Sun and my Dad has Saturn in 10th.) My Dad was always gone and working when I was a kid. Both parents pretty much just emphasized the work & education part of life and not much else for a long, long time. Serious, conservative, well-meaning but definitely kind of a drag. My older siblings took it all to heart. Me with a bunch of Pluto hard aspects and Uranus in the 1st, emancipated early and got out. But I'm still a hard worker - just on my own terms _ and I'm an entrepreneur and self-employed to this day.  Folks I do tend to see having integrity issues have bad Sun/Neptune aspects (where they literally do not "know" themselves as well as difficult hard aspects with Pluto (Sun square, inconjunct & opposite Pluto) as well as all these same aspects with Mercury which can lead to twisted or mercenary thinking & rationalizing. Of course these are sweeping generalizations but this is what I've observed. IP: Logged |
GypseeWind Knowflake Posts: 6510 From: Love Street, she lingers long on Love Street.. Registered: May 2009
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posted April 03, 2020 12:38 PM
Agree with ^ above poster. On both accounts. Sun square Saturn self regulates. No one has to tell them right from wrong. Even if they do something "wrong" they tend to feel more guilt than the average person, and usually don't do it again. Example: once I was at a NYE party with my husband. Everyone was drinking and having a great time. At midnight people kissed each other. Just a quick peck type of thing... but the man who owned my local convenience store grabbed my face and planted one on me. No tongue, but waaaayyyy too familiar. It bothered me all night long. And the next day. I couldnt sleep. So, finally I told my husband about it. He wasn't mad at me. But we started going to a different carry out 😂. Sun/Neptune people blur the boundaries when it's convenient. Which is IMO, why they are so excellent at creating things.You can't be hampered by rules and accepted behaviors if you want to make something exceptional. Amy Winehouse is an example of this aspect. Also, Ellen DeGeneres- who was first to come out on her own sitcom. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 125219 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 09, 2020 06:02 PM
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Hemilla Knowflake Posts: 706 From: State of mind Registered: May 2015
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posted April 13, 2020 09:22 AM
I have it, i dont lack integrity, my morality is annjoyingly high, i dont need the world to tell me of mistakes i can do and how they can hurt me, i constantly analyze the factors myselfIP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7770 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted April 13, 2020 10:55 AM
I know someone who has this aspect in their natal and they are exactly like described in the OP, to a tIP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 125219 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2020 03:15 PM
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