posted December 10, 2016 02:14 PM            

But if you don't like my interference, it makes no sense for you to keep repeating my words.

Fact is, Randall knows I have integrity, or maybe he would have banned me already for calling you a liar.

But since SO many people have said the same things about you, and SO many people have left because of you, including some of the best astrologers this site ever had, he has come to expect the non-stop drama surrounding you.

posted December 10, 2016 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I do not like to see people ( one and the same people) ganging up against a single person just because they post silly astrological threads for the novice. Or because they have an opinion. Or because they breath.
It was done on Capricious Capricorn only a few days ago, it's consistently done to Ami, it's just a very hostile thing to do and it's disruptive to the general flow on our forum.
which belongs equally to all.

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Thank you, Orange and Jay and Cinnamon.

It is much better for people in the community to stand up than have Randall have to come one and try to deal with it. He is super busy, for one thing, and he is too good of a dude to have to go through this mess. When LL people stand up, it will stop, and it will stay stopped and it won't happen to other people as much, either!

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posted December 10, 2016 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Cinnamon, I understand you are touched by the emotional impact of this unpleasant situation, as all of us are deeply touched. But saying it is "personal" leads to a victimization of the one who speaks the truth. It's as if you are saying some people are profoundly disturbed by an astrological article on physical appearance (ASC) where all the examples are fake, while others don't mind.

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posted December 10, 2016 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks for supplying my other comments, Ami.

But if you don't like my interference, it makes no sense for you to keep repeating my words.

Fact is, Randall knows I have integrity, or maybe he would have banned me already for calling you a liar.

But since SO many people have said the same things about you, and SO many people have left because of you, including some of the best astrologers this site ever had, he has come to expect the non-stop drama surrounding you.

He must know it's at least partly true.

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I let you harass me for over a year. I ignored you. There are dozens of other things you have said to me and prolly many dozens. I believed in ignoring you until you went too far and now, I brought it to light.

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posted December 10, 2016 02:19 PM            

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posted December 10, 2016 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you, Orange and Jay and Cinnamon.

It is much better for people in the community to stand up than have Randall have to come one and try to deal with it. He is super busy, for one thing, and he is too good of a dude to have to go through this mess.

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Actually if the abuse was as bad as you make it out to be, Randall would be terribly negligent if he hadn't stamped it out before this.

The fact that Randall accepts this kind of drama around you as a matter of course shows he is aware of the fact that for as long as you've been here, there have been people calling you out for your divisive tactics, baiting, and mind games.

posted December 10, 2016 02:21 PM            

Don't attack me and act like it is "helping" Astrology.

That is all.

Be honest.

I hate when people do something and are dishonest about it.

I hate it! lol

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posted December 10, 2016 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Cinnamon sky:
Telling someone, hey, XY doesn't have Cap ascendant is not personal. Telling someone "get your life together" is personal IMO.

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Actually that was a sincere wish that she would heal herself.

My criticism is always about her behavior and not her person.

posted December 10, 2016 02:24 PM            

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posted December 10, 2016 02:24 PM            

IMO her tabloid kind of astrology would be harmless, if it wasn`t for the fact that

a) she pretends that this is more than what it is (nice entertaining tidbits of astro-information without context or coherence) - mistaking this for a real analysis in many cases would lead to mis-interpretation

b) she is dogmatic in her approach and judging other people on the basis of what she considers an astrological indicator of good or evil - which in itself is already unethical for any astrologer or counselor, not to mention mostly wrong (though granted she is by far not the only astrologer who is caught in this trap)

c) she is in most or at least many of her list-threads putting a generic insult to any astrologer who is not doing things like she does in her header (something along the lines of: who can`t write an analysis in simple words, should not write at all, or is a waste of space, as she literally told Leeloo the other day)

d) she might actually inflict psychological harm on a certain group of people, coming to her for an analysis, and who might not be strong or collected enough in their situation to rightly categorize the value of "interpretations" like: "Nessus on ASC makes you an abuser. Sorry to say that but you WILL abuse your newborn daughter because of this" or something like that.

I mean most of the time we all can shake off such stuff, but there may be times that people are feeling very vulnerable and are easy to scare, and this is when an astrologer like this can really do considerable harm to a person.

THAT is what I fear and I also have gotten the impression that she uses astrology, even the most rudimentary bits of it, to make herself superior (Even superior in the sense that she genuinely thinks she is guiding people to the light) and exert some kind of power and manipulation over others.

Apparently some others see it that way, too, or a similiar way.

What you call a "Ganging up", I consider expressing criticism and concern over certain repeatedly observed behaviour.

I`ve been around all the time Ami was here, and believe me it has always been like this.
The "attackers" usually change over time, cause most of them leave eventually and just give up trying to reason with her or her followers or whatever.

Ami`s approach doesn`t change, and I don`t think it ever will. She thinks it is the right approach, just as I think it`s not.

However, if she has the right to follow this approach (and this is an internet forum, so), I have the right to express my concerns about it.

posted December 10, 2016 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I do not like to see people ( one and the same people) ganging up against a single person just because they post silly astrological threads for the novice. Or because they have an opinion. Or because they breath.
It was done on Capricious Capricorn only a few days ago, it's consistently done to Ami, it's just a very hostile thing to do and it's disruptive to the general flow on our forum.
which belongs equally to all.

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In the end, Orange, if you want a Lindaland forum where fake astrological facts are constantly and deliberately posted and everyone is supposed to ignore this because for some bizarre reason you take a liking in such posts or the people who are capable of such a thing, you have the right to fight for such a forum. Although you already know this will never work.

As far as I am concerned, the OP's gesture today qualifies as: deliberate astrological fraud, fake apology, followed by cyberbullying by means of more astrological fraud. The OP behaves as if they believe the above is allowed and acceptable on this forum and generally in a community of astrologers. I can tell about the second that it is not and never will be, and this includes you, I never thought and saw you accepting fake astrology, till now.

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posted December 10, 2016 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Don't attack me and act like it is "helping" Astrology.

That is all.

Be honest.

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LeeLoo pointed out that you made errors.

I supplied specifics, with just the question, "How hard is it to check the charts?"

Then YOU pounced on that and attacked.

But somehow, people are so biased in your favor, they are not seeing how things go down, again and again and again.

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posted December 10, 2016 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't whine to Randall like you do, Faith. He prolly cannot look at ALL the threads because he is in LAW SCHOOL. You are so selfish to think of your petty ego and want to make Randall jump in on all of your stupidities.

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Are you saying, how dare anyone ask the webmaster to behave as a webmaster?

He banned Page One recently. You were the mod on that thread egging on Page One, taking her side, as she engaged in BAN-WORTHY insults.

posted December 10, 2016 02:29 PM            

If you keep following me around and making personal attacks, I will quote them and then, we will see what happens lol

I don't want you to get kicked off.

You should do the astrology you want and if you don't like me, you should do the astrology with other people.

That is it lol

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posted December 10, 2016 02:31 PM            

You should keep yourself in line.

Sometimes, Randall needs to be called but I don't want to bother him, unless it is necessary.

You need to grow up, act like a decent, respectful person and not someone who disrupts a great community.

If you keep following me around and insulting me, I will keep quoting you.

Take care

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posted December 10, 2016 02:32 PM            

I know you actually hate conflict as much as I do, but you stand up for the good of the cause.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

However, if she has the right to follow this approach (and this is an internet forum, so), I have the right to express my concerns about it.

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posted December 10, 2016 02:35 PM            

We will always have arguments here,that is alright but what is not right is when one group of people attack someone else alone. Sometimes the person is right but just because the other one has more friends here the first person is attacked and then loose his cool and Randall kicks him/her.This have to be considered!!!!!!!
I don't remember the name of the user but what I saw was horrible.Is hard to maintain yourself calm vomiting flowers when 6 or 7 are attacking you.
If someone is having a discussion let the two of them resolve alone,at least is a fair fight.

posted December 10, 2016 02:36 PM            

You ARE aware that this all started - this time at least- AFTER you wrote to Leeloo "I am going to be totally honest with you, Lee Loo. Your Juno article seems like a bunch of esoteric mush. That person should have been able to hone that down to a paragraph. If you like that, that is fine but the reason I write my 5 aspect articles is because I think that someone who cannot say something simply should not be writing about it and taking up the precious time of others."

With this post you did say clearly that she - and probably most others on this site- are a waste of time.

How is that NOT an insult? Though albeit a pretty clever one, I must admit, as there were no swear words used.

But honestly, I said my piece, and I will probably repeat it again eventually, some other day, but beyond that, that`s enough time I spent on this subject, for now at least.

posted December 10, 2016 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
In the end, Orange, if you want a Lindaland forum where fake astrological facts are constantly and deliberately posted and everyone is supposed to ignore this because for some bizarre reason you take a liking in such posts or the people who are capable of such a thing, you have the right to fight for such a forum. Although you already know this will never work.

As far as I am concerned, the OP's gesture today qualifies as: deliberate astrological fraud, fake apology, followed by cyberbullying by means of more astrological fraud. The OP behaves as if they believe the above is allowed and acceptable on this forum and generally in a community of astrologers. I can tell about the second that it is not and never will be, and this includes you, I never thought and saw you accepting fake astrology, till now.

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posted December 10, 2016 02:39 PM            

Stop all personal attacks! That is it!

Don't act like they are not personal attacks when it is obvious they are.

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posted December 10, 2016 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by FatedCinderella:
No talking about this case cuz I'm not aware of what is truly happening but I want to use this space to share my opinion cuz is something that I saw more than one time.

We will always have arguments here is alright but what is not right is when one group of people attack someone else alone .Sometimes the person is right but just because the other one has more friends here the first person is attacked and then loose his cool and Randall kicks him/her.This have to be considered!!!!!!!
I don't remember the name of the user but what I saw was horrible.Is hard to maintain yourself calm when 6 or 7 are attacking you.
If someone is having a discussion let the two of them resolve alone,at least is a fair fight.

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Okay, back track.

Ami posts wrong chart facts. LeeLoo and I post corrections. Ami goes on the attack instead of simply apologizing or correcting.

Soren gets playfully involved.

CinnamonSky defends Ami.

Conversation continues with CinnamonSky.

KilowJay and Orange and you come in to defend Ami.

Meanwhile Lee and I are fending off criticism from Ami's defenders, and we are outnumbered. Ceri comes in and her opinion is in line with ours.

How is this "everyone ganging up on one person"?

posted December 10, 2016 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You ARE aware that this all started - this time at least- AFTER you wrote to Leeloo "I am going to be totally honest with you, Lee Loo. Your Juno article seems like a bunch of esoteric mush. That person should have been able to hone that down to a paragraph. If you like that, that is fine but the reason I write my 5 aspect articles is because I think that someone who cannot say something simply should not be writing about it and taking up the precious time of others."

With this post you did say clearly that she - and probably most others on this site- are a waste of time.

How is that NOT an insult? Though albeit a pretty clever one, I must admit, as there were no swear words used.

But honestly, I said my piece, and I will probably repeat it again eventually, some other day, but beyond that, that`s enough time I spent on this subject, for now at least.

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NO, it started after LeeLoo wrote a whole thread about how my 5 articles are ridiculous.

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