posted December 10, 2016 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by KilowJay:
@Electro

For me at least, I have no problem with them disproving her claims and correcting her, but its more about the way its done. One can get their point across without resorting to slandering and, because i cant find a better word right now, attacking someone. There is no need. Simply get your point across and if you feel the person is not listening then ignore them( I know you or someones probably going to say, but we cant let her decieve the readers etc. it clearly isn't working right, let it go).

In the end Selenite is right.

Its all our personal belief. Whether you consider it a science or not.

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I do agree with Selenite and I understand what you're saying. It would be nice to be able to get your point across without having to use slander, but as human as we are, it's not always going to be that way. We can't control other people, and so if they choose to go forth with a certain course of action our only option is to react to that, either by leaving or trying to get them to stop. ¯\_(ツ )_/¯

posted December 10, 2016 04:23 PM            

Well, it is ABUSE when you keep giving someone your "advice" and they tell you they don't WANT it.

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posted December 10, 2016 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, it is abuse when you keep giving someone your "advice" and they tell you they don't WANT it.

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That is not abuse, that would be someone trying to shove their opinion down your throat. Abuse would be on the lines of, "You're just a failure, no one cares about you, you should just go die and waste away like the waste of space that you are you pathetic piece of ****." That would be on the lines of verbal harassment and abuse.

Even so, that's just life. There are people out there that will try to shove their opinions down people's throats no matter what happens, and whatever we try to do they just don't listen to us. On an online forum like this, people are going to say what they think regardless if others want their thoughts on it or not, and that's just something we have to deal with. We can strive for a better community, but eliminating this element of "evil" entirely is an impossible feat.

posted December 10, 2016 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
A lot of people seem to not look back on the background information leading up to this argument. Ami Anne and Faith have been at this for years, so honestly it should be no surprise that such an incident would turn up again.

I'll admit that Faith can come across as being somewhat harsh at times with the things she says. HOWEVER, when Ami Anne posts things like this that can easily be taken as offensive...

I don't see any reason as to why she shouldn't be harsh with her. If you just had a baby and had a chart reading done on your baby, and the astrologer told you that the baby was going to grow up as a terrorist, you wouldn't be very calm, would you? I'm sure you wouldn't, especially if they continuously insisted that it was the truth and that you should just accept it and stop "being in denial". Now, I understand that this current argument is not entirely focused on this specific argument, but you have to take it into account in order to understand why this whole thing would break out in the first place.

Of course, her chart placements add up to her tendencies so well, with her making things more needlessly complicated than need be, continuously victimizing herself over unusual claims of "being attacked" and all that air in her chart allowing her to so easily persuade anyone to be on her side, it's no surprise, AT ALL. Libra Ascendant, Cancer Moon, Gemini Stellium, it all fits.

This is not about being attacked, for had she actually had factual articles in the first place, this would not be happening. Even if her articles weren't completely factual, instead of bringing up all of this useless drama to make things chaotic, she could've easily tried to prove her point and tried to back up her claim using logic. Someone with a Gemini stellium is completely capable of that; I've seen it done before. The real question is, why does she choose not to?

I think that claiming that Faith is attacking Ami simply because she pointed out all the fallacies in her article is ridiculous. Like I said, this feud has been going on forever, and I know than an evolved Aquarius Mercury would not senselessly attack someone for no reason at all. I don't hate Ami Anne, I really don't. I just don't understand why she doesn't use logic to prove herself right.

**Had her articles been right, and had she PROVED them to be right with factual evidence, I'm sure that Faith would be sensible enough to see that her initial claim and would've accepted that she made a mistake. Come on now...

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posted December 10, 2016 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I mixed up a couple in synastry.

I hate lies. I just hate lies.

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I am really, from the bottom of my heart disheartened and desperate and SAD, really really SAD, I swear to god, that people, escpecially Newbies, who apparantely to seem to be good-hearted, are taking the victim card from Ami. This is sooo kind of you but i swear to god, Ami is no victim.
I despise bullying and would also stand up for anyone.
But please, i swear to god, Ami does not deserve it all.
Please continue to read and you'll understand why.

NO, you didn't, Ami! If you are referring to this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/006294.html
There is no way that you could have mixed up things, since no MC of none of these couples were hit by anthingy. Also, later, when you saw no chance other than apologizing you claimed having mixed up Charles and Dianas Chart- but this can't be true either. There is just vesta conj mc.
Instead of showing respect to astrology and all people reading your posts, you just don't correct yourself. And this is what you call doing in gods name? I can't believe that someone who flashes inaccurate articles and with no means would correct them, really wants to help people. People who really want to help people do it with all their heart and diligence and respect. Instead of saying, urgh sorry, i am correcting, or just correcting, you are playing the victim card.
For my part, i also mix up things and would never judge anyone based on that, but what kind of behaviour from a woman your age that pretends to want to help people?
Not to mention your heartless words when a Syrian toddler did drown...it was heartbreakening at least for me. And you pretend to be a warm person? But okay, this is not the topic here....

You hate lies?! This is really... WOW....
Faith calls you a liar for her own reasons, for my part i just can contribute the following to the forum (in order to prevent anyone from believing that you are a victim, this is heartbreakening for me. There are soo many people out there who deserve to be protected from bullying and you first are not getting bullied and secondly you do not deserve any protection):

You posted 2 different birth charts of yourself!!!

first one, dated October 2, 2011: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/001846.html
There you are a scorpio ascendant with pluto conj Mc and venus inconj your asc

second one, dated March 25, 2012: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/003040.html
Here you are a libra asc with moon conj mc and venus trine asc. Sounds much more nicer than the first one, ergh?

I do not care what placements you are. You could have angel elf on whale sun, i don't care but please at least stick to one chart. So often you posted that you need to show your heart to the world due to your MC/moon like in your second birth chart but just yesterday (!!!) you said again that you are a again a LEO MC like in the first birth chart: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/236905.html

Also, on this thread, your OP http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/236910.html , you say that you have a progressed Scorpio Asc. This is NOT true. If you were born on June 20, 1955, like claiming in one of your birth charts, your progressed Asc is in Capricorn!!!

I could post far (!) more but i just want to prove good-natured Newbies and anyone else, that there is a reason why some constantly proofread Ami and why some call her an impertinent liar- some statements of her really cannot be excused by saying "she mixed up things". It's impossible. Especially an astrologer is normally aware of his placements....

Not to mention, as Faith already mentioned, her ban from 2 subforums since SHE was the one who was harrassing, stating unspeakable racist stuff about Muslims, like an Islamophob. It was very abusive. But again, this is not the topic here...

Also, she would always get passive-agressive, never admit if she mix up things (NO ONE would be angry, we all make mistakes) but instead she starts to attack and/or play the victim card, making others look like bullies.

You see, there are really different sides- there is a reason why Ami is disliked by sooo many on here and why some have already left this forum because of her.

For my part, she can do anything what she wants, but PLEASE be responsible with what you say, Ami, as Ceridwen & Elektro already told you. It is dangerous what you do. People come to you for warmth and compassion and not for being shocked (with false information btw) and being told that they have an abusive son (which later proves to be wrong, just plain wrong). This has already happened.

and i am done with this. I did what has been lying for a long time on my heart, since i was really really sad about the good-natured LL-community but now, i have done my bit

posted December 10, 2016 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
I would agree with a strong discussion in that particular thread.. bringing that discussion to this particular thread is not the way to go.. then it looks personal even if the intention is to help the astrology community... i do not feel helped. I just feel annoyed about people making fun of other.. gang against one person.. I know Ami is not a saint. I have seen other thread, but this is not the point.. the corrections to ami post fall into CRUELTY. they are worried about the harm that AMI can do, but do not think about the harm they can do to Ami? seriously, I would like to see more compassion.

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I can't agree with you about the "corrections" falling into cruelty. What happened first is that Soren and I proved that Ami was wrong with her idea on Adam Sandler being a Scorpio Ascendant, and then Faith came in and went to prove Ami wrong with her claims, such as on Tom Petty being a Cap Ascendant and etc. The way she reacted is why I can't agree with you; yes, some of the things said before she actually attacked in her "defense" can be considered harsh, but I believe that had she not done this in the first place, it wouldn't have happened.

Had I been the one who did what Faith did, what most likely would've happened is that Ami Anne would've either ignored me or she would've tried to argue why she disagreed with me. I've seen her act different towards certain people for differing reasons. Because of this, since Faith was the one who posted her argument against Ami, Ami started quoting what Faith and LeeLoo kept quoting what they were saying in an attempt to create a bad reputation for them. In doing so, she can then go, "Oh, look at what these people were saying about me, they're so horrible!"

Regardless of this, my point is that if she wasn't being so logically incorrect with her posts and then endlessly trying to shame people that try prove her wrong with whom she's had previous fueds with, this wouldn't happen. It's not hard to admit to being wrong and not making the same mistake again, so why does she purposely do it? It accomplishes nothing, and it only creates more issues among the board. It's just not right.

posted December 10, 2016 04:58 PM            

You are sooo easy to look through, it's boring!!!

Of course, always jumping on the train that might discredit a business rival = LeeLoo or shall I say a professional astrologer that is far more complex and better than you Ami!!! nothing but jealousy in your mind

apart from that, i only have one thing to say about you:

you are * A picture of a person vomiting*

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posted December 10, 2016 05:00 PM            

Everyone has the right to their own views on Astrology. You don't have to accept what others believe, but you do have to respect one another as human beings if you are to remain here at LL. Close sesame.

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posted December 10, 2016 05:15 PM            

You provoke a lot of people to the point of wanting to throw up, she{Enneline} is just bold enough to give it full expression.

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posted December 10, 2016 05:16 PM            

I don't whine to Randall because it is stupid to need someone to "fight your battles", I think.

If I can't stand up for myself, I am in trouble, but, really, other people needed to chime in for this to stop and I think it will.

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posted December 10, 2016 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

3 Cancer Moon
These natives, of which I am one, tend to have large breasts. I have had large breasts since I was nine. My mother doesn’t, so it was not inherited(at least from her). I, absolutely, hated it. I was embarrassed and would hide my breasts under a winter jacket, even when it was summer. Is this too much information? Blame my Cancer Moon, which is on the MC. The Moon conjunct the MC shows it’s emotions to the world. That is the nature of the MC placement. I know I am going to get someone ask me about men. I don’t know.

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posted December 10, 2016 05:32 PM            

as we go on we learn and think more, we understand, we get sad and mad, it's all a rush, really. i never used to think about people this much, how they think, and why. but now i do. strange

we always misenterpret eachother, sometimes i wonder if we even know eachother even though we talk so much. my words have a different meaning with each person. does anyone actually know me? maybe not, but thats something we all have to live with

,i swipe my window with my fingers, and it leaves a mark, a trail. the moist water swerves to the bottom of the window sill, where it builds up, and as the cold weather procedes, the water freezes, and becomes ice, blocking me from opening the window, why oh why did i have to swipe my window

,for some time now, ive lost everything i was, maybe as my step to adulthood, i lost something on the way, my charisma and motivation, its disappeared. before i thought i could do anything. now i dont

posted December 10, 2016 05:39 PM            

and as i look up i am feeling oh so free the stars are mocking me, but their not what i need
the hour glass drains so quickly in my hand, but i do not understand when it drops/breaks there is no sand

as a wolf howls i am looking down at him, i am not the moon but i wish i had his ears so i could listen in

and as i look up i can feel something there, something more than air

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feeble human grasp what you can of existence, we are here no more yet you can what you cant. unreliable sources of failure are what flights us to the peak. the peak is a moutain that you climbed. how long can you stay up there? did you not realize there were birds above you? they never cared for failure. they never had to climb. they were born where they are. the peak means nothing. the hight means nothing. its how you got there

posted December 10, 2016 05:52 PM            

(music) Smoke Gets In Your Eyes!???

posted December 10, 2016 06:19 PM            

i've been feeling a little grief…
start to feel nothing, and it repeats.
Don't tell me, is there nothing that i can do to get myself away from here,
and go back there?

i know that i've never touched your skin, i've never felt your breath, I've never entered the gateways to your heart… but you pierced mine with an arrow of fire, and it won't be long till it hits the tire, and i'll be treading burning grass on the way.. burning grass

i've been feeling a little grief...
start to feel nothing, and it repeats.
Don't tell me, is there nothing that I can do to get myself away from here,
and go back there?

So I pack this box, with memories of love.. and the hopes that no one would ever find it.
But when you find it.. with your black map,
you'll know not to follow in my trail of embers

posted December 10, 2016 06:49 PM            

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(music) Smoke Gets In Your Eyes!???

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posted December 10, 2016 07:33 PM            

That the Heart was once on fire with love. Eyes that saw the Other with rosy hues, now instead, cry tears, pouring over the flames. Dousing begins to occur, and smoke rises from the extinguishment, ever-etched in the memory every time a new love arises?

(music) Smoke Gets In Your Eyes (Patti Austin, lyrics) [4:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1xMRLSFMGU

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AND, LOL, in the old days, they'd be hanging at the bar afterwards with a, drink and the smoke from a cig? ...